Photos from London's Trans Pride march

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I think this will cause all decent Trans people shame rather than pride.

@SweetPetrichor

There’s idiots at any march. I strongly dislike Rowling’s stance on gender right, but I don’t think there’s a place for ‘kill her’ comments and those who think that’s okay are in a small minority. There will be some equally terrible people on the other side of the fence.

Where are the equally terrible people on the other side? Because it is interesting that the people being threatened with murder, rape, destruction are women like JKRowling or Jess de Wahl who have never ever said a hateful word against transwomen or transmen. They have said you can't change biological sex. They have said they have grave concerns about self-IDing being manipulated by abusers to gain access to vulnerable women and they have been proved right on this (Karen White, Aimee Challoner etc.) Where are the TERF equivalents of White and Challoner? Where are the women who post death threats to trans people because they are trans and gleefully giddily publically call for their livelihoods, their loved ones and their bodies to be ruined?

If you can find me any, then I would stand with transpeople and fight against such phobic behaviour. But I can't campaign on behalf of people who single out individual women, bully and threaten them with such male-pattern violence whilst claiming to be women themselves. Come on. @SweetPetrichor where is the evidence this is rational and equal fight?

@Quaggars

Stickers too don't forget!

See, I get accused of being "disegenous" on here.
This totally is though.
"What's so wrong about a female, sticking a sticker saying they're female?
It's the whole what can be behind it that people stick their fingers in their ears and go la la la to that's

Please do explain exactly what is behind adult human female. I'm struggling to understand the violence in those words, or the placement of the words? Or is it the font, the colour scheme? What ?

Please do explain exactly what is behind adult human female.

It's not inclusive enough. Literal violence.

@Congressdingo I've seen tra's warning each other on Twitter to be careful when taking down stickers because there may be razor blades behind the stickers. I was curious as to where this idea came from so researched it a bit and it seems to be a bit of an urban legend (possibly an element of truth), that people supporting the National Front in the 1970's and Neo Nazi's more recently put razor blades behind posters. I'm not sure how you'd be able to hide a razor blade behind a sticker (surely you'd see the outline?). Perhaps this is what Quaggars is referring to when they say what is behind the sticker?

Otherwise, the term Adult Human Female is a statement of fact.

Its appears to be a common complaint. The other day we were accused of saying you cant change sex as a cover for our argument. I pointed out that saying you can't change sex is our argument.

Harrop accused Posie Parker of using the dictionary definition of woman as a cover too. For something else. Until she pointed out the same flaw and made mincemeat of him on national telly.

And now stickers? 😂

A sticker saying a woman is an adult human female isn't hiding the point, it is the point.

Please do explain exactly what is behind adult human female.

It is very very clear that in the eyes of trans ideology womens rights, the ones that exclude all males regardless of how identify, is transphobic and needs to be removed. I still remember the claims that they didn't want to remove womens rights, rights are not a pie etcetc. But now the message is clear: biological differences between male and female humans is transphobic.

It is also very clear that the word 'woman' may in no way be used to reference a group of people whose biological evolution is different than the other biological evolution found in humans. Becuase if woman is adult human female, then transwomen can never be woman. The word 'woman' needs to be redefined outside of biology. The fact that this means women now need to be referred to by their bodily functions or body parts is acceptable for them. It also nicely dehumanises women into talking vagina's and wombs.

It is also clear that women are in no way demanding transpeople have to give up any human rights or words. They can just not take ours.

One side as a bad as the other my arse.

[quote Waitwhat23]@Congressdingo I've seen tra's warning each other on Twitter to be careful when taking down stickers because there may be razor blades behind the stickers. I was curious as to where this idea came from so researched it a bit and it seems to be a bit of an urban legend (possibly an element of truth), that people supporting the National Front in the 1970's and Neo Nazi's more recently put razor blades behind posters. I'm not sure how you'd be able to hide a razor blade behind a sticker (surely you'd see the outline?). Perhaps this is what Quaggars is referring to when they say what is behind the sticker?

Otherwise, the term Adult Human Female is a statement of fact.[/quote]
This was something they were claiming a few years ago too. A TRA posted pics of their cut hand as proof. Until people found the photo in stock photos online and showed up the lie.

@Whoarethewho

Ive seen some pretty horrible misandry posters on the reclaim the streets protests too. These aren't great either

I don't think any of us on this board support Reclaim These Streets and their "politics". Could be wrong but I don't think anyone is impressed with them. And they definitely don't like and support women that they deem to be "terfs".

Can you provide further information on what the signs said?

I found some clearer screenshots further down that twitter thread, as predictably TRAs are saying they are "fake"

Please do explain exactly what is behind adult human female

I am agog at the secret hidden, hateful message behind the dictionary definition of ‘woman’

Is it possible that if universally accepted definitions upset you the problem lies with you?

I've reported your post ProudExclu. What you said about those people is out of order.

Another one. These are absolutely real.

@Quaggars

Where are the spokespeople for the trans community speaking out against the violence?

Why should they, though?
Don't get me wrong, these signs are disgusting and have no place anywhere.
They don't speak for the majority though.
Would you say "where are the people speaking out" if this was aimed at any other marginalised, minority, or discriminated against group?

The British Public would absolutely expect an Imam to speak out if a small group of young Muslims made threats against the general public.

Threats by TRA's against women are all fine and dandy and it is only a small minority doing so.

I have a feeling in the great Venn diagram of life there may be quite an overlap.

Perhaps this is what quaagars meant about what is behind the sticker
No, not at all, I wasn't being that literal, I didn't mean behind the physical sticker!
I meant what can be the intent behind.

Have any TRAs spoken up against this?

Anyone at all said 'you know what, 'folx', this is not cool?'

& if not, why not?

As far as I can see, the deafening silence suggests that:
EITHER this is NOT a tiny majority of dickheads, you get them on every march, good gracious no one needs to take these sad wankers seriously ...rather it is in fact an accepted, mainstream & unremarkable attitude amongst TRAs

OR lots of lovely nice trans people know this is appalling - but they are scared to speak out because these people are genuinely threatening & potentially dangerous, & they know them well enough to know this.

Neither's great, is it?₩

I meant what can be the intent behind.

The 'intent' behind a sticker that says 'woman: adult human female'?

There is no 'intent' behind it - as has already been said, that is the intent.

To scare the people who issue death threats... Uhuh. You can carry a banner issuing death threats or noose/scaffolds with banners saying what you want to do to people you disagree with - but a definition of ‘woman’ or a ribbon can get your collar felt by the police?

Oh come on...

Why don't prominent trans activists and organisations speak out about the horrible threats and abuse?

I think firstly that it actually serves it's purpose very well. It has kept people quiet about speaking out, hasn't it?

And then also to condem it would be to admit that it happens and is a massive contributory factor to why noone is speaking out - rather than the standard TRA line that actually most people agree with them.....

@Quaggars

Where are the spokespeople for the trans community speaking out against the violence?

Why should they, though?
Don't get me wrong, these signs are disgusting and have no place anywhere.
They don't speak for the majority though.
Would you say "where are the people speaking out" if this was aimed at any other marginalised, minority, or discriminated against group?

I'm pretty confident if such a disgusting sign was photographed in a GC rally there would be calls from yourself and others that us GC folks should speak out about it. And I would agree with you because I think it's important these kinds of behaviour are nipped in the bud even if it's only a handful of people who are like this, otherwise it brings any movement into disrepute.

Contrast it with the response of the crowd when a few lesbians held up the Get the L Out signs or protested about their rights and concerns on some Pride marches. Funny how non-violent signs by a few lesbians got a reaction from the crowd, but violent signs from a few Pride marchers are awkwardly ignored by the others around them.....

Why wants to approach some person with banners calling for murder? You won’t exactly get a balanced and reasoned debate with them will you (more likely a banner over your head).

Given that some of those carrying these death threats have been photographed, the Police must be looking into this? A vague 'threat' towards a Scottish actor, based on a ribbon 'looking like a noose', tied up in the general vicinity of television studios he works at, has led to Police action. You would hope a very unambiguous death threat against a named person would be investigated with the same rigour.

The police won’t do that. They posted a video telling those at the event to call the police if they feel (not sure - unsafe?) which the police didn’t do for any other marches yesterday.

I'm wondering if the crowds are just believers in gender identity so those who may speak out don't attend?

I suppose it’s like any other March - you go along, see the gobsh*s and either laugh, nod and back away.

@FemaleAndLearning

I'm wondering if the crowds are just believers in gender identity so those who may speak out don't attend?

I would imagine so. I would think anyone who doesn't agree with gender identity would probably feel uncomfortable there, and if they were outed as GC, genuinely unsafe. Get The L Out and the women in different countries posted above are extremely brave imo.