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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Photos from London's Trans Pride march

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Imnobody4 · 26/06/2021 16:10

twitter.com/BevJacksonAuth/status/1408797242878840833?s=09
I think this will cause all decent Trans people shame rather than pride.

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toffeebutterpopcorn · 29/06/2021 13:28

Reminds me of the photo... daft ‘I’m queer don’t fire me’ female actor and person in red dress .

stumbledin · 29/06/2021 18:43

I think trans pride in london is only a facebook page www.facebook.com/londontranspride

NiceGerbil · 30/06/2021 01:17

Thanks stumbled.

One of my friends has liked it! A lovely woman I know IRL not an old mate or whatever.

And she is very solid on women's issues globally we agree about s lot.

Anyway. I found what I was after so thanks :)

EndoplasmicReticulum · 30/06/2021 07:21

Saw this linked to from Facebook, report from Dazed Digital. Shows one of the signs according to writer of the piece their "personal favourite" was the heart shaped one.
www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/53337/1/see-how-london-turned-it-out-for-a-joyful-trans-pride-march

toffeebutterpopcorn · 30/06/2021 07:23

Joyful death threats... Uhuh.

NiceGerbil · 01/07/2021 01:20

[quote EndoplasmicReticulum]Saw this linked to from Facebook, report from Dazed Digital. Shows one of the signs according to writer of the piece their "personal favourite" was the heart shaped one.
www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/53337/1/see-how-london-turned-it-out-for-a-joyful-trans-pride-march[/quote]
I read it.

Two things jumped out.

  1. '“Being a trans+ person and visibly gender non-conforming, the streets can feel very unsafe,” says Eddie. “It’s a feeling I have unfortunately become very accustomed to. Little things like crossing the road to avoid dangerous situations, shouts, stares, and (micro) agressions are so normal in my life that I don’t even really notice them anymore. So it was a humbling, beautiful experience to be surrounded by thousands of trans+ people, and to feel so seen and safe – each one of us protecting and validating the other, transferring the strength needed to be ourselves in a cis society where our very existance is up for debate.”'

This drives me mad. The feeling unsafe when out and about, the defensive behaviour, the stares, harrassment etc.

Well. That's what women and girls get all the time. The tone deaf nature of things like that quote really grinds my gears.

And the fact that people who are GNC but don't identify as trans, and people who are seen as different. Get this as well.

And the fact the majority of it comes from men.

No awareness or empathy or tact...

And then yeah it was brilliant being with people like me, feeling safe and welcome etc...

???

But women and girls, who get loads of shit from men, are not allowed to have spaces just for us. We have to let others in on their say so. It's bigoted to want to have anything just for women up to and including mixed changing, support groups, book clubs, you name it.

How can people like this who I expect is perfectly nice, have such a massive blind spot?

NiceGerbil · 01/07/2021 01:26

Point 2.

The photo at the beginning.

Is that how women and girls dress when on a march about.. VAWG for example?

And the poses?

How many women fighting for rights/ change pose and dress like that? When they are making a serious point?

And if they are (I assume) trans women (?). Then why has one got no top on? For a woman that is considered indecent and you can be arrested.

In short. If they are women (again that's an assumption) then why does everything seem very very unusual for women in a march for rights?

(Yes I know some issues etc women go for that look etc. But it seems to be a look that is pretty popular in general for some groups).

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/07/2021 07:44

Two things jumped out.

Excellent post, NiceGerbil

somethinginoffensive · 01/07/2021 08:06

The one on the left has a sign saying "legalize my identity" so I assume they are "non-binary" as that is merely a self-description not a legal identity of any sort.

Zeev · 01/07/2021 08:26

2. Divinity. Again saying trans people are like angels, or saints. The divine. What's with all this religious stuff?

The sacred caste is above criticism.

RedDogsBeg · 01/07/2021 10:35

most people made remarks on how important trans healthcare is, and how dangerous waiting lists are”, while there were also “a lot of (calls to) ‘protect trans lives’ and ‘protect trans kids’.” “Overall, we all want to be considered and treated as priority

In their very own words, don't want equal treatment or the same rights, must have more rights than anyone else and be treated as a priority.

IvyTwines2 · 01/07/2021 11:28

[quote EndoplasmicReticulum]Saw this linked to from Facebook, report from Dazed Digital. Shows one of the signs according to writer of the piece their "personal favourite" was the heart shaped one.
www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/53337/1/see-how-london-turned-it-out-for-a-joyful-trans-pride-march[/quote]
@NiceGerbil @EndoplasmicReticulum Interesting, that focus on safety in relation to this group. The writer seems to have a different attitude when it comes to biological women: I've just looked at their twitter and several of their recent pieces are actually opposing various safeguarding measures being introduced around the sex/porn industry, and, in the aftermath of the murder of Sarah Everard, articles opposing making misogyny a hate crime, opposing 'overpolicing and criminalisation' and police in nightclubs as a measure to prevent the sexual harassment of women (the writer puts the word protect in inverted commas).

SapphireSeptember · 01/07/2021 12:44

@Nellodee

You know what would help? Supporters of trans people telling those within their ranks who threaten rape and violence, “You do not represent us, we do not condone your actions.” That would go down a lot better than , “Only a few of us threaten to rape and kill you, so I don’t know why you keep going on about it, really.”
And when you do get people in the trans community calling out the creeps, (and encouraging others to do so) they get harassed and threatened too, which is just lovely. Hmm Can any of the trans allies here explain that one please? Funnily enough, I don't know anyone on the rad fem/GC side who's sent death threats to anybody, it's more stickers, ribbons and crocheted flowers over here (and the occasional meme.)
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