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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Laurel Hubbard to go to Tokyo

513 replies

Biscuitsanddoombar · 05/05/2021 20:59

Not a surprise and hopefully it’ll open some eyes about the utter ridiculousness of allowing someone who is male to compete against women in weightlifting

www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/may/05/trans-weightlifter-laurel-hubbard-set-to-make-history-at-tokyo-olympics

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Sonarl · 21/06/2021 19:34

Why I'd she doing it to herself? She'll get booed and everyone will call her a sad cheat.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 21/06/2021 19:34

The Olympic authorities won't let her take her daughter with her.
Gives me the rage too, @Sexnotgender

What if she'd not been able to pump? I found it virtually impossible despite milking like Daisy the Cow for the actual live baby.

TheWeeDonkey · 21/06/2021 19:58

Its infuriating, just been watching on ITV news with DH. He says no other women should compete against Hubbard, just let them stand out there like the cheat they are.

Ekofisk · 21/06/2021 20:02

Oh dear, Tom Harwood has picked the wrong person to argue the TWAW sports case.

twitter.com/scienceofsport/status/1407016816816369677?s=21

WarOnWoman · 21/06/2021 20:09

"If you’re going to call trans women male I’m going to tap out of this conversation."

Tom Harwood on Twitter.

twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1407022944858017795

Er, what does he think a TW is?

NecessaryScene · 21/06/2021 20:15

Poor Tom. Still, bonus marks for directly attempting a novel right-wing philosophical objection - opposing class-based sport admission in general, and you should be "individualist". "Any discriminatory ban or free for all is ludicrous collectivism."

somethinginoffensive · 21/06/2021 20:19

Er, what does he think a TW is?

Female obviously. TW are women and women are female so TW are female.

This is why they like the TWAW chant, it isn't designed for understanding it's designed to confuse.

WeeBisom · 21/06/2021 20:20

Gender critical feminists are frequently accused of not understanding the difference between sex and gender, or conflating sex and gender. Sex and gender are two separate things. So why would it be false or wrong to call trans women 'males'? Their sex is male, and their 'gender identity' is feminine.

Sensateria · 21/06/2021 20:31

You know the high pointy bit of a mountain, that word we’re not allowed to use on here… well this has pushed my DH over it and my teenage son too. DS was getting there a while ago, but this has catapulted him over it.

I’d actually love it if every single woman competing got together, and agreed that when it’s their turn to lift, they walk up to the weight, turn their back and walk off.

MiladyBerserko · 21/06/2021 20:35

Not sure if this has been posted...

This is the woman who was cheated out of her place by Hubbard.

mobile.twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1406992665644830725

EsmaCannonball · 21/06/2021 20:37

Not calling Hubbard by truthful, factual terms is allowing obfuscation to happen which in turn is allowing the thing in itself to happen. If we were allowed to speak the truth, most reasonable people would see the emperor has no clothes.

somethinginoffensive · 21/06/2021 20:44

If we were allowed to speak the truth, most reasonable people would see the emperor has no clothes.

That's the thing though, the message of the story was that everyone colluded despite being able to see perfectly well.

Everyone can see the emperor has no clothes, whether they use the words or not.

NotBadConsidering · 21/06/2021 20:45

[quote MiladyBerserko]Not sure if this has been posted...

This is the woman who was cheated out of her place by Hubbard.

mobile.twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1406992665644830725[/quote]
Yes, I posted it up thread. The name of Kuinini Manumua has been added to this list:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4175263--No-Trans-Olympian-List-of-women-and-girls-disadvantaged-in-sport-resource-thread

We don’t always know the names of the women and girls who miss out, many of them never get the chance to shine, or get the chance for us to learn their names, but when we do we should shout their names. There have only ever been 43 Tongans go to the Olympics, and Manumua can’t add herself to that list.

MouseyTheVampireSlayer · 21/06/2021 20:50

That's so sad. I've been to Tonga, the people are lovely and their lives are very simple compared to Aus and NZ.
So this would have been an even bigger deal for the woman that missed out than a woman from the mainland who missed out, if that makes sense.

OvaHere · 21/06/2021 20:57

[quote MiladyBerserko]Not sure if this has been posted...

This is the woman who was cheated out of her place by Hubbard.

mobile.twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1406992665644830725[/quote]
That's just so upsetting. I know on a personal level how much of their life and their teenage/young adult years women and girls give to being dedicated to a sport and aiming for the top.

It's indescribably cruel.

MaudTheInvincible · 21/06/2021 21:14

This does seem to be drawing some interest in the UK at least. Trans is now trending here with over 200k tweets.

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Deliriumoftheendless · 21/06/2021 21:39

@WarOnWoman

"If you’re going to call trans women male I’m going to tap out of this conversation."

Tom Harwood on Twitter.

twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1407022944858017795

Er, what does he think a TW is?

The replies have got him on the “here’s my excuse to get out of an argument I’m outclassed in by calling bigot!” ruse.
Arrowheart · 21/06/2021 21:44

It's fucking ridiculous amd an insult to all the women competitors.

newrubylane · 21/06/2021 22:00

His time as a student at a proud formerly all-female university college (also my alma mater) clearly made a big impact on him, then. Eye roll

MsFogi · 21/06/2021 22:43

This is the sort of thread that now needs to be started in the Sports section rather than being hidden in this siding for hiding bad feminists!

Sonarl · 21/06/2021 22:45

It needs to be in Chat tbh judging by the 9/10 'normal blokes" that have mentioned this to me or in general conversation recently - each one outraged.

WeeTorag · 21/06/2021 23:20

Laurel cheating Hubbard being discussed on GB News shortly. Dan Wootton's show.

MrsPsmalls · 21/06/2021 23:24

My 83 year old father brought this to my attention today bless him. He said 'this chap, who seems to think he is a woman, is going to compete at the Olympics ' I told him this wanker will not be the only one and he is astounded! Says the world has gone to pot and he has clearly lived too long. Super bright sunlight - go Lauren!

minsmum · 21/06/2021 23:25

Majid Nawaz is on LB C talking about this now staying that it is not fair

Sophoclesthefox · 22/06/2021 06:34

I want to know how “intersectional” feminists square this circle.

Manumua is a woman of colour, coming from a developing nation (not sure of her financial background, so won’t comment on that, other than to say that other Pacific island lifters that I’m aware of very much do come from underprivileged backgrounds). Hubbard is a rich white person from a developed nation (as well as the blatant extra privilege Hubbard also enjoys).

How is intersectionality happening when the inclusion of Hubbard is “more inclusive” than the inclusion of Manumua? Trans athlete inclusion is better than WOC?

Do they not ever stop and think, hang on, this isn’t how this stuff is supposed to work, if women of colour still somehow end up getting pushed out?

Do their heads not explode trying to justify why a Y chromosome is still top trumps for everything?

No, I know, I know, the correct response to my questions is “STFU T*RF”, silly me!

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