MOMA Bill back in the Commons today, Monday 1st March 5.15pm

[ConservativesForWomen]

New thread as previous one almost full.

List of speakers here, expected start time 5.15pm:

commonsbusiness.parliament.uk/document/45568/html

'someone will mention TW even though this right here is nowt to do with them'

They are giving TW a lot of airtime for a bill that will never, ever apply to them.

amendments are 'more inclusive' than other wording that was put forward - what alternative wording was put forward?

Is this to do with 'woman'?

Passed, begrudgingly. Fuckers.

Well thank goodness for that- we shouldn't have to struggle for it though.

I couldn't face listening to this. Are we allowed to call mothers mothers or not?

Ah, cross post, sorry.

@LizzieSiddal

Well thank goodness for that- we shouldn't have to struggle for it though.

I am still a bit gobsmacked that they passed it but that is how low my expectations are.

Penny Mordaunt - just disappointing though.

We are. For now.

Did Penny Mordant really say that?

How do we complain too?

Shame Joanna Cherry didn't get to speak- I was very much looking forward to listening to her.

Penny Mordant is a disgrace.

Did Penny Mordant really say that?

iirc she was saying this when she was Women's and Equalities Minister under May.

its quite astonishing in a bill that is literally about women and something only women can do, how often Trans has been mentioned in a bill that is nothing whatsoever to do with trans issue. What do they think happens to them if they dont mention trans enough? do they think some kind of glitter monster will appear and hit them with rainbows?

Mordaunt

Penny Mordaunt's constituency office might have a view on her. I think there are some very pressing issues in Portsmouth North that she's ignoring for this ridiculous sycophant cosying up to Blunt.

@Xanthangum

Penny Mordant just said TWAW?

File under #MordauntFacts.

Thank fuck that's over.

Were there any GC voices in that? Any balance really?

It's very clear isn't it, with the constant dragging up of TW, this is so not about women's maternity rights and needs and this bill on those terms is of no interest to Mordaunt and co: to them, the only point of interest is about the necessity of separating the word 'woman' from anything sex based or biological. Which is not being done for or with the faintest regard to anyone born female.

Gynephobia on crack.

Freddy is not happy at how little media coverage of this there has been and a mate has offered to try and get something onto ITV Meridian for Freddy.

I haven't worked out how to work our tv channels yet so I won't be watching.

@LizzieSiddal

Did Penny Mordant really say that?

iirc she was saying this when she was Women's and Equalities Minister under May.

Yes, she even said it in her MN chat. Probably kept her coat on then as well

I saw Penny Mordaunt's TWAW/TMAM as an appeal to house members to remember the dogma despite discussing a bill that is firmly in the realm of biological reality. Can't have anyone snapping out of the trance can we?

Oh Crispin Hunt...what is that rhyming slang for again?

Say 'Trans right do not pose a threat to women' often enough (and he did, very often) and it will magically become true. That he has the gall to tell the silly women they are worrying their heads about nothing is staggering to me.

You don't care, mate, because it doesn't effect you - and you get to look like the Trans Hero in your LGBTQ+ group.

And no. The LGB Alliance isn't interested in trans issues by definition, because it has no T by design. It's not a conundrum.

Tit.

What did Crispin Blunt want Claire Fox to do? I don’t think I caught it properly. Something like clarify her statement. Does he mean give actual examples of when the TRA ideology has affected women? Because I’m sure she already did when she spoke before.

I am a bit confused. I didn't think the Conservative party had come out TWAW and TMAM, but that's what Penny just said - is this the party line or her views?

What I also find a bit worrying is that I get the impression that if the Freddie McConnell case had gone the other way then we would be left with 'person'. Following the HoL debate I thought we had edged forward but it appears we havent, rather begrudgingly they have passed. Glad it's passed but dissapointed that we have had to have a battle to get the word changed for something that is only about women.

It is a crashing insult to women that even a maternity bill has to centre trans rights. Trans women have nothing to do with maternity rights.

*meant Blunt of course