I've just been called a TERF...

[OhCharlieYouPrick]

On Facebook.

Local Facebook page, a man posts a discussion about Prolife protesters outside abortion clinics. A picture of himself with a sign saying 'screw these guys', pointing to the Prolifers.

He then proceeds to lecture women thinking about counter protesting, saying sometimes it makes the situation worse (yet he posts a photo of himself clearly antagonising the prolifers at a previous protest )

I point out to people thinking about counter protesting, with a particular group who are mentioned, that the prochoice group hold certain views about gender that conflict with my own.
That they believe the word woman should not be used on placards as 'people of all genders use abortion services'
Obviously it's just women that use abortion services.

So a sign stating 'A woman's womb is no ones business but her own' would not be allowed. It would have to say 'A person's womb is no ones business but their own'

Anyway. I was blocked by the OP.

This below was the reason.

Funnily enough, before he blocked me I received around a DOZEN likes from Women agreeing with what I said. They also believe that the word woman is Not dirty and should be a use able word in relation to abortion services.

Yet this man think he knows better than them and me.

He blocked me again before I could reply.

Argh.

...on Twitter, I should have said.

What a pile of shit this thread is.

Terf and proud. I'm also a STERF which is selfish twat exclusionary feminist.

The last person to call me a TERF did, in fact, have a blue beard!

He was also half my age & a big fan of nailing rats to women's refuges if he thought they were a bit terf-y.

No idea how he got on to my FB in the first place. Think we liked a few of the same bands...

Abortion is only criminalised for women (under English Law). A man cannot be prosecuted for an abortion.

Section 58 of the Offences against the Person Act 1861 provides:

"Every woman, being with child, who, with intent to procure her own miscarriage, shall unlawfully administer to herself any poison or other noxious thing, or shall unlawfully use any instrument or other means whatsoever with the like intent, and whosoever, with intent to procure the miscarriage of any woman whether she be or be not with child, shall unlawfully administer to her or cause to be taken by her any poison or other noxious thing, or unlawfully use any instrument or other means whatsoever with the like intent, shall be guilty of felony, and being convicted thereof shall be liable . . . to be kept in penal servitude for life . "

Actually a man can be prosecuted for performing an abortion on a woman (under S59 of the same act), but they cannot be prosecuted for procuring their own abortion, or performing an abortion on another man.

performing an abortion on another man a what now?

What a pile of shit this thread is.

Lol.

Under the current Gender Recognition Act (2004) a person with a womb and a Gender Recognition Certificate can have a legal gender of "man".

Whether you agree with that or not, the legal position is that person is a man. Therefore they are not subject to the legal restrictions on abortion as these only apply to women.

Indeed - such a detailed, logical and well thought-out post from @Karkasaurus, @TheAlternativeTentacle.

What a pile of shit this thread is.

So no actual arguments as such, then karkasaurus.

What a pile of this that argument is...

Its not "an argument", its the law.

If @Gingerkittykat's friend has a GRC stating that they are a man, they can abort right at any point in the pregnancy, no fucking about with 2 doctors signatures, no need to demonstrate harm, no restrictions on term limits. People who are legally recognised as men have abortion on demand.

Abortion is a woman's issue because abortion is only criminalised for women.

@Blackopal Ironically it is often those calling you TERF who are homophobic and protesting sexual orientation as 'transphobic genital fetishism!'

OP I saw that thread earlier today. Good that he is standing up to the Fallowfield prolifers but sad to see he is also a wokebro. Disregard and continue as you were, is what I say!

Argument? Against you patting yourselves on the back about being shitty to trans people? No, I just think it's pathetic.

A placard 'A woman's womb is no ones business but her own' isn't 'being shitty to trans people'. It's supporting women's rights.

No, @Karkasaurus, we are happy that we all see the label 'Terf' for the impotent, useless, meaningless toddler term that it is. We are smug that we see it for what it is.

As for dashing in and out to hurl "shit" and "pathetic" at us, well....we ARE on a Feminism and Women's Rights board so we are allowed to discuss issues that affect Women.

Do you want to engage in the dialogue or just lamely throw insults around?

Lame insults, I am sure.

Against you patting yourselves on the back about being shitty to trans people?

You'll hurt yourself with those knee-jerk responses. Honestly, do you have script, or a book?

Is anyone seeing much anti-terf graffiti? On our walks, the pup and I are seeing it spray painted onto benches, "No TERfs on our turf!"

Last time I left a pile of informative literature, today I think i'll bring a Sharpie so I can correct their mistake

Words de jour: shitty and gross. You sound like you’re about 5 years old. At least speak in adult language.

Against you patting yourselves on the back about being shitty to trans people? No, I just think it's pathetic.

This is a thread about how to respond to being called a TERF.

Here are some of the times we have been called TERF, with the rhetoric involved.

So you are saying we are pathetic for not wanting to be killed, or to choke, or die in a grease fire?

Perhaps if Trans people just gave up this toxic response to women, and weren't trying to insert themselves into every female space, which is there for the safety and dignity of said females; we wouldn't have to even respond to these threats of violence.

As I say time and time again...
Women: we don't want men in female spaces
TRAs: DIE bitches, we will cut you up, we will fuck you over and burn you in grease fires
Women: yeah, that's why.

But it’s just inadequate men and teens isn’t it?

Well put Tentacle. The stats on death threats, intimidation, harassment and silencing don't look good for trans activists, so the TERFS can be proud of their peaceful and lawful activities.