I've just been called a TERF...

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On Facebook.

Local Facebook page, a man posts a discussion about Prolife protesters outside abortion clinics. A picture of himself with a sign saying 'screw these guys', pointing to the Prolifers.

He then proceeds to lecture women thinking about counter protesting, saying sometimes it makes the situation worse (yet he posts a photo of himself clearly antagonising the prolifers at a previous protest )

I point out to people thinking about counter protesting, with a particular group who are mentioned, that the prochoice group hold certain views about gender that conflict with my own.
That they believe the word woman should not be used on placards as 'people of all genders use abortion services'
Obviously it's just women that use abortion services.

So a sign stating 'A woman's womb is no ones business but her own' would not be allowed. It would have to say 'A person's womb is no ones business but their own'

Anyway. I was blocked by the OP.

This below was the reason.

Funnily enough, before he blocked me I received around a DOZEN likes from Women agreeing with what I said. They also believe that the word woman is Not dirty and should be a use able word in relation to abortion services.

Yet this man think he knows better than them and me.

He blocked me again before I could reply.

Argh.

I had a similar disagreement with an abortion rights group and when I objected to the term vagina owner I got this back.

A trans man may have a vagina & may be able to get pregnant, so abortion rights necessarily includes men with vaginas.
(I am thinking of a friend who, a few weeks after he had begun transitioning, was raped - his rapist didn't use a condom (and fortunately didn't have an STD) and my friend was able to get emergency contraception (and it worked).
But if we believe in abortion rights for everyone, we want them for trans men, too.

I pointed out that trans men might find being referred to as a walking vagina to be dehumanising.

Abortion is a women's issue.

My own son called me a TERF last week, said he couldn’t believe that I was spouting such TERF shit, and he assumed I’d read it on Mumsnet. I confirmed that indeed I had, and that I was proud to wear the TERF badge. I may have also suggested that there was loads more ‘TERF shit’ where that came from and if he didn’t want to listen to it then he could return to uni early and make his own way there.
Strangely he didn’t take me up on that.

Just for clarity, Chip, beards do not = misogyny.

But there's definitely a Venn diagram with beards on one side and 'traditional' misogyny, if you will, which has new and improved wokey misogyny right at its 's heart. And it always seems to wear a beard.

Welcome to the club.
I got called a terf on fb for saying sterilizing children with drugs intended for cancer patients might not be wholly ethical.
Call me what you want I will never, ever agree that's an ok thing to do.
I will die on this hill.

These days, if you don’t meet the criteria for being a TERF, I consider you a misogynist

THIS

I confirmed that indeed I had, and that I was proud to wear the TERF badge. I may have also suggested that there was loads more ‘TERF shit’ where that came from and if he didn’t want to listen to it then he could return to uni early and make his own way there.

These days, if you don’t meet the criteria for being a TERF, I consider you a misogynist

God, I love this place.

And this is where we are as a society, with young men thinking that it's reasonable to lecture their mothers on what's best for women. Thanks, queer theory.

I'm idly wondering if there's a correlation between stupid massive fucking beards, hipster clothes and Old Testament values...

Not convinced. I may be a very different age to most posters, but as a 55 -y old, some of the best blokes in my age group had beards. Sorry that being a natural man is now only practised by idiots. btw very turned off sexually by beards, but platonic male friends with beards were quite common for me. In some ways that's interesting as maybe the nice blokes are being fazed by this shit. Maybe those same woke blokes will come to their senses soon. I believe some of us feminist women were taken in by this shit originally until peak trans hit. Anyway this is steering the conversation off course, but I didn't start the prejudice about blokes with beards. (I shan't be starting a thread about women with underarm hair either. I have had ubderarm hair and hairy legs all my life apart from occasionally for sweat reasons.)

I really really want to test this theory, but think if I walk up to every man with a beard and ask him if he is a misogynist I may be carted off in a straitjacket.

Vinandvigour that's one of the best posts I've read on here!
for you viper!

Thank you for the ‘vin’ Ereshkigal and terfsandwich. I needed it after that altercation.
I’ve been on MN for a few years, lots of name changes, but I’ve never been called a (legendary MN) viper before. I’m truly honoured, my second badge to be proud of in recent weeks! 😂

My only reaction to being called a TERF these days is to say “oh, do you think?” and carry right on with whatever reality based conversation I was having. I treat it as if I’ve been called a disobedient woman (which is what it means, let’s face it) and as I wouldn’t give a shit about that, so I don’t give a shit about being called a silly name.

Mr Sophocles has a beard, and he is resolutely non-woke . I have carefully beaten the urge to mansplain out of him over the years though, so he wouldn’t fucking dare go on like OP’s willy waver (JOKE! I do not beat my husband, obviously).

I have heard they may be called the cocked crusaders rushing to help the most oppressed ever

I have been denounced as a terf by my utterly entitled brother (blue hair) apparently this means I am homophobic and I totes 'suck'.

He very much believes himself to be feminist and extremely liberal.
In reality, he is mansplaining peacock who champions causes that require no sacrifice from him.

I believe it is called the ‘blue hair syndrome’.

When I was a child little old ladies with a blue rinse were the local terrors - telling kids off for playing football in the street/being loud/not being in school/breathing..., arguing with shopkeepers over priced and bus drivers over their driving, and generally being rather loudly opinionated. My grandma was a prime example of the ‘blue rinse brigade’ as we called them.

Is there a link?

The last man I knew who called himself a feminist was also a wife beating rapist.

You're a TERF. Congratulations. Own it. I do.

Blackopal, you genius: champions causes that require no sacrifice from him.

Nailed it.

some of the best blokes in my age group had beards. Sorry that being a natural man is now only practised by idiots

I'm of similar vintage - those beards were in the main 'natural man'. I think the woke blokes are more inclined to sport some type of unnatural 'hipster' style.

They may, however, possibly be subconsciously trying to show that they are real men, even if they say TMAM, for despite many TM sporting beards I'm not sure many can manage something resembling a furry shovel.

Well I have blue hair and am certainly not woke!

It's a correlation, not causation!

He very much believes himself to be feminist and extremely liberal.
In reality, he is mansplaining peacock who champions causes that require no sacrifice from him.

Where is the clapping hands emoji in this place?

I'm going to remember this one!

Oh dear, I did not mean open a blue hair debate!
I don't blue hair, I mean blue hair with intent.

Anyway, I have been called genius on this thread, I do love terfy company!

Sophocles I like that response, no reaction to the label at all, takes the silencing power out of it.

The best response to Woke relatives banging on about how terfy you are is probably "nobody cares".