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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

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MrsSnippyPants · 04/08/2019 16:41

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JackyHolyoake · 06/08/2019 12:50

Yesterday, it was said that people were shouting at the lesbians rather than the MAPs. I said in response to this, why were the lesbians shouting about trans rather than pedos?

Except that the lesbians were not shouting about anyone who claims "trans" status.

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/08/2019 12:51

He said he was at Berlin Pride in another tweet and that he met up with two friends, also MAPs. So yes, they are attending Pride

It was said as fact that they were welcome and at Leeds though, with their own float!
People all believing and agreeing.
Then it turns out it's not even in the UK at all and it's a couple of randomers on Twitter spouting off.
It's being twisted, I really don't see why some don't see this.

Datun · 06/08/2019 12:51

people have said as fact that MAPs were in attendance and accepted and even had their own float. Now it transpires there’s no actual evidence for this.

Except maps on Twitter saying they were there. And the people targeting lesbians saying they'd rather be a pervert than a terf.

What, exactly, are they referring to? Or is it just a random word to insert into a sentence?

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/08/2019 12:53

As a member of the LGB community myself roses , i'd have to draw your attention to the fact that we are individuals.

Which is what I've said all along, we're all individuals with our own minds and opinions!
So why do trans keep getting all lumped together as "this is what they're trying to do" then if we're all individuals?

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/08/2019 12:54

Except maps on Twitter saying they were there. And the people targeting lesbians saying they'd rather be a pervert than a terf

What, at Leeds?
You were saying they were accepted and welcome and with their own float earlier before someone questioned.

Aberhonddu · 06/08/2019 12:56

Yes Early, there are clearly ulterior motives by some posters

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 06/08/2019 12:57

why do trans keep getting all lumped together as "this is what they're trying to do" then if we're all individuals

TRA's all get lumped together because they are pushing the same ideology, There are various opinion of individual trans people here, including praise of a few who a speaking out against TRA's.

Bespin · 06/08/2019 12:58

is there a defence between TRA and trans people or are we all TRA for just exsisting?

JackyHolyoake · 06/08/2019 12:58

Which is what I've said all along, we're all individuals with our own minds and opinions!

Beyond that, lesbians are a clearly delineated class of people within the sex class that is female. That delineation relates to their sexual orientation.

Similarly, gay men are a clearly delineated class of people within the sex class that is male.

So, while each of us is an individual each of us also belong to a class or category.

It is as classes with sometimes identical and sometimes similar needs in certain circumstances that we are all treated for public policy purposes.

RuffleCrow · 06/08/2019 12:59

It's because Genderism has been hijacked by those with a clear political agenda, roses. It doesn't have to be every trans identified person who wants to destroy women's and children's hard won freedoms for the ideology they subscribe to to pose a direct threat to those rights and freedoms.

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 06/08/2019 12:59

is there a defence between TRA and trans people

Yes. But you know this.

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/08/2019 12:59

Yes Early, there are clearly ulterior motives by some posters

There really is (although you probably won't see it though)
It's the pushing through and stating things as fact, never expecting people to actually question, and say hang on a minute....

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 06/08/2019 13:01

t's the pushing through and stating things as fact, never expecting people to actually question, and say hang on a minute....

Yeah, like the people still promoting Dr webberly, not mentioning how she and her husband are struck off and hoping no one researches.

Oh wait, sorry.

Earlywalker · 06/08/2019 13:01

datun you mean a few randoms on twitter, probably with those cartoon pictures and no real name said they attended pride so it must be true that they openly went sporting their MAP flags and ‘I like children’ t shirts and LGBT people just swanned around them, accepting them into the pride community? Hmm

Rather be a pervert than a terf? They could well be referring to the fact that ‘terfs’ regularly say trans people are fulfilling some weird sexual fantasy.

Reclaiming words?

It was one bloke that said that wasn’t it?

MsMcWibble · 06/08/2019 13:01

No evidence? We've shown you loads.
Peter Tatchell is on record as supporting relationships with minors. Do you think he is alone? Why was he leading the parade in Brighton.

Datun · 06/08/2019 13:03

Paedophiles are infiltrating the public's consciousness through the back door, as they did with pie. They are using transgenderism to do it. Queer theory enables it.

Trans kids being treated differently with regards to safeguarding is silencing concern.

Drag queen kids. The NSPCC being forced to refer themselves to the charity commission.

And yes, yes, the homosexuality of lesbians and gay men being vilified.

If you don't like it, don't support it.

Earlywalker · 06/08/2019 13:05

Several times throughout this thread it has been said that MAPs attended Leeds pride and weren’t protested against. They even had their own float. Where is the evidence of this? Not the evidence of one guy in Berlin, or people who weren’t openly ‘MAP’ at pride or random (probably made up) accounts on Twitter. Actual evidence, that one could take seriously.

JackyHolyoake · 06/08/2019 13:05

It's the pushing through and stating things as fact, never expecting people to actually question, and say hang on a minute....

Says the person who is unable to offer any facts in this discussion.

We've already established it was a float for men [heterosexual and gay] expressing their fetish and we also know that some paedophiles choose to associate themselves with these fetishistic men, as has been shown via links to some Twitter accounts. It is reasonable to conclude the probability that some paedophiles have associated themselves with various Pride parades in the UK.

Datun · 06/08/2019 13:06

Rather be a pervert than a terf? They could well be referring to the fact that ‘terfs’ regularly say trans people are fulfilling some weird sexual fantasy

Desperate early, too, too desperate.

And no, not a cartoon, an actual film. He filmed himself - fool. 🙄

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 06/08/2019 13:07

‘terfs’ regularly say trans people are fulfilling some weird sexual fantasy

Are you denying fetishes around female clothing exist?

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/08/2019 13:08

Several times throughout this thread it has been said that MAPs attended Leeds pride and weren’t protested against. They even had their own float. Where is the evidence of this? Not the evidence of one guy in Berlin, or people who weren’t openly ‘MAP’ at pride or random (probably made up) accounts on Twitter. Actual evidence, that one could take seriously.

This! Not a couple of people in Berlin, how is that backing it up?!

Earlywalker · 06/08/2019 13:08

Can you link to all these maps filming themselves at Leeds pride then datun?

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/08/2019 13:12

Can you link to all these maps filming themselves at Leeds pride then datun?

Exactly, I mean WTF.
It was said about LEEDS.
If they were there, disgusting.
They've got nothing to do with LGBT people, MAPs should never be there.
There's literally nothing to say there was though so why is it being stated as fact that they were there Confused
Look at these few in Berlin so that means they're infiltrating Pride everywhere and at Leeds? Errr.....

DickKerrLadies · 06/08/2019 13:13

I'm so confused.

I just looked back and the first posts I can find about MAPs were from people asking for evidence. There's also discussion about things that have happened at other pride events. And a load of posts about how we're just blindly accepting things and never questioning them.

Despite having thread after thread of women questioning things
when there's no backup to them and trying to use common sense.

JackyHolyoake · 06/08/2019 13:13

Can you link to all these maps filming themselves at Leeds pride then?

Conversely, can we conclude that there were zero paedophiles in the Leeds Pride parade, given evidence from elsewhere described upthread?

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