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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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This is a good thread about female trans allies

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Doyoumind · 30/07/2019 16:00

twitter.com/overpow_erin_g/status/1156003798898241543?s=19

Thoughtful insights into how some women get drawn into the wrong side of the debate.

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Michelleoftheresistance · 31/07/2019 21:47

They try to argue that they are fighting for women but that's not true - they are only fighting for women that think like them.

Oh utter bullshit, pure DARVO or else you're reciting a line you've heard without ever thinking it through. Read the thread. Women have been repeatedly trying to ask what happens to women who don't think like TRAs. Trans ideology doesn't give a flying fuck about the disabled women, the women of different religions and cultures, the homosexual women, the working class women, the many groups of women who don't relate to gender ideology and are being excluded from services or harmed by the forced inclusion of males in single sex provision.

You can't possibly paint the TRA agenda as the intersectional or the caring or inclusive side, that's bothered about anyone else's interests, you really can't.

Datun · 31/07/2019 21:48

Who says that I consider myself to be oppressed? Surely that's the fundamental flaw in that argument?

Lol. Barack Obama isn't oppressed, so POC aren't oppressed, right?

RosesAndRaindrops · 31/07/2019 21:48

Who says that I consider myself to be oppressed? Surely that's the fundamental flaw in that argument?

Exactly, it's generalisations for everyone.
I'm oppressed because someone tells me I am.
Speak for yourself.

RosesAndRaindrops · 31/07/2019 21:49

Well, I've had a go at the question, wonder if Datun will now I've answered her switch and dodge doubt it

littlbrowndog · 31/07/2019 21:49

I don’t get ads. But I did get 2 pops ups from mumsnet direct I think they were in me bottom right hand screen askin* me 2 questions

Michelleoftheresistance · 31/07/2019 21:49

I'm asking whether you think it is misogynistic to call women "cowbag bitches"?

How many more times are you going to bang on about that one phrase you've got stuck on and think is more important than anything else mentioned in this thread? Give me a number.

NeurotrashWarrior · 31/07/2019 21:50

No, stop, I was quite put out by the Ant and Dec thing; it was a silly fishing thing revealing something about one of them that really surprised me but clicking took be to what I immediately started to feel was suspicious if I'd gone any further and was quite shocked.

DecomposingComposers · 31/07/2019 21:50

StopThePlanet

Honestly, I don't know. I don't have as blockers, malware etc on my phone and only ever get ads on here for things I've searched for on Amazon or shoes.

littlbrowndog · 31/07/2019 21:51

20 ?

PetrolBastard · 31/07/2019 21:51

Threatening! Grin Grin

Datun · 31/07/2019 21:51

- feminism
supporting all women
respecting they have their own minds and bodily autonomy
wanting equality for all women

When you say women, do you also mean men who identify as women?

Doyoumind · 31/07/2019 21:52

Decomposing why ask us to fight for all women if you can't even define what woman is?

I accept that some women disagree but I believe the vast majority of women, for instance, believe it's right to have sex segregated sport.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 31/07/2019 21:52

Roses, define woman please.

littlbrowndog · 31/07/2019 21:52

I got blockers on as the ads do m6 head in tbh

RosesAndRaindrops · 31/07/2019 21:52

They try to argue that they are fighting for women but that's not true - they are only fighting for women that think like them.

It's coming across like it more or more, that we all have to think the same or be dismissed.
It's not bullshit, or DARVO to point it out - it's literally what seems to be happening.
If it isn't happening, why are those with different opinions told that they are handmaidens, cowbags, bitches, or that it's patriarchy who made them think that way, bless them?
Either women have control of their own minds and bodies or they don't, you can't have it both ways for when it fits your viewpoint.

DecomposingComposers · 31/07/2019 21:54

You can't possibly paint the TRA agenda as the intersectional or the caring or inclusive side, that's bothered about anyone else's interests, you really can't.

Where did I try to? I haven't once mentioned tras so why twist what I have said? I am only talking about the posters on this board and on this thread, those who claim to stand for women but actually only care about women who think like them. It was very apparent on the thread about nails etc. how many of these posters think about many women.

RosesAndRaindrops · 31/07/2019 21:55

How many more times are you going to bang on about that one phrase you've got stuck on and think is more important than anything else mentioned in this thread? Give me a number.

Can you not at least see the utter IRONY of what you're saying? Not even a tiny bit?
It's not us "banging on", it was one question, I don't even care if it's answered or not, but I got define feminism over and over and over in order to avoid answering.
I mean, just in the time of posting this it's got another "define woman" in there.
Whoever said it is fucking nuts has is spot on!

Michelleoftheresistance · 31/07/2019 21:55

Ok, demonstrate equal respect for women who don't think like you? ie gender critical women?

What you mean by 'not tolerating different opinions' is women objecting to and arguing with other women furthering their oppression and explaining why it's a problem for women as a whole sex class. And getting angry about it. That to you seems outrageous and horribly wrong of women and not what women should be doing.

Datun · 31/07/2019 21:55

Either women have control of their own minds and bodies or they don't, you can't have it both ways for when it fits your viewpoint.

Eh. What women? Jessica Yaniv? Karen White?

🤣

NeurotrashWarrior · 31/07/2019 21:56

or that it's patriarchy who made them think that way, bless them?

Society moulds us.

Religion was always the opium of the masses for good reason; kept everyone in order. Patriarchy does the same.

Identity politics seems to be the new opium.

DecomposingComposers · 31/07/2019 21:56

Lol. Barack Obama isn't oppressed, so POC aren't oppressed, right?

What's with the lols? Are you 12?

I am not pretending to speak for anyone else. I am talking about me. I don't consider that I am oppressed.

Datun · 31/07/2019 21:57

If you define feminism as involving women, but women can men. Well, it's a bit crap, to say the least.

RosesAndRaindrops · 31/07/2019 21:57

It was very apparent on the thread about nails etc. how many of these posters think about many women

Yep, there was a few people on that thread I usually disagree with on trans threads saying WTAF and saying how illuminating it was, even they couldn't believe some of the stuff coming out!
We support women but not those women is how it came across.

NeurotrashWarrior · 31/07/2019 21:59

If you can't define woman how can you define feminism!!!!???!!!

Datun · 31/07/2019 21:59

What's with the lols? Are you 12?

It's either that, or a tittering head tilt.

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