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Clarification on Women only spaces

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Magenta82 · 12/04/2019 13:18

Hiya, I've always identified as a feminist, I'm fairly new to Mumsnet and before joining had read about trans rights and had got the impression that any challenges were transphobic and bigoted.

I can see now that, as with most things, the issues are far more nuanced than Twitter would lead us to believe. I can see issues with women's rights, self identification, shutting down debate, etc and am starting to understand other points of view.

I guess for me the complications arise when things get personal. I have some trans friends, both MTF and FTM, who have fully transitioned (as adults over 30), had all the surgery, got certificates the whole thing. What would the general consensus be on access to single sex spaces for them?

My friend may not have grown up as a girl/woman, but has made every effort to become one because she has always felt this way, she may not have faced the same challenges as me growing up, but she has faced other challenges and discrimination. I feel like she absolutely belongs in women only spaces and would hate to think that other people see her as a threat.

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JackyHolyoake · 14/04/2019 18:52

a bit hitleresque really!

Fascist: a person who is very intolerant or domineering in a particular area. That sounds like most transactivists, in my experience.

RedDogsBeg · 14/04/2019 18:55

hitleresque?????

Sex being a definitive category is hitleresque????

One thing's for certain Shaboopy is currently topping my list for the most nonsense and incoherent argument spouted on a thread.

Shaboopy · 14/04/2019 18:55

if you call compromise compliance then you aren't able to discuss compromise of any kind

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 14/04/2019 18:56

at this point this seems like the only logical response

Clarification on Women only spaces
BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 14/04/2019 18:57

have you considered explaining what you mean?

Shaboopy · 14/04/2019 18:58

Fascist: a person who is very intolerant or domineering in a particular area. That sounds like most transactivists, in my experience.

im not trans male, you're fully covering fascist though. unfortunately this influetial group covers fascism under this def, top to bottom. goodnight Nazism.

JackyHolyoake · 14/04/2019 18:58

if you call compromise compliance then you aren't able to discuss compromise of any kind

So, how do we compromise women's legal rights as expressed in UK law and avoid compliance with the demands of males. Please explain. Thank you.

Missingstreetlife · 14/04/2019 18:59

Women are protected in law and have single sex provision, and protection against discrimination as do transexuals with grc. Now a load of girly boys have come along and with some transvestites claim they are women and should be allowed in refuges, women's sport etc. Also persuading lesbians to sleep with them (complete with willy and perhaps beard) or to transition and 'become' men. All a load of nonsense. Follow miranda yardley (ftm transexual)on twitter or Facebook or see 'a woman's place' website. Grayson perry (crossdressing man) is good on nature of masculinity.

Shaboopy · 14/04/2019 18:59

what father could ever get to see their child if you lot had a say?

JackyHolyoake · 14/04/2019 19:00

I'm not trans male,

I am unaware of anyone here saying you are a male "transitioner".

Shaboopy · 14/04/2019 19:00

women are over protected in law

RedDogsBeg · 14/04/2019 19:01

Compromise is a two way street, compliance is a one way street.

Women are being told to comply NOT compromise.

Shaboopy · 14/04/2019 19:01

JackyHolyoake

you're not aware of the slights then, or the accusations.

Missingstreetlife · 14/04/2019 19:02

Shaboopy that's a different conversation.
Love who you want, dress how you like but women are biologically different from men, science.

RuffleCrow · 14/04/2019 19:02

How does someone 'make every effort' to become a woman? There's nothing but biology to womanhood and nobody can alter that. Some women look very masculine, some very feminine so aping femininity isn't going to make someone 'like a woman'.

Datun · 14/04/2019 19:02

if you call compromise compliance then you aren't able to discuss compromise of any kind

Correct. I'm glad we agree.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 14/04/2019 19:02

What a fully covering fascist?

Have you had much experience of fascist streakers shab?

Shaboopy · 14/04/2019 19:04

RedDogsBeg

rough with the smooth, its not as though there arent human rights cases against feminist favouring legislation. Yay though thou art female thou canst not penetrate, rape becomst not thou

RedDogsBeg · 14/04/2019 19:04

women are over protected in law

Are you trying to be funny or just plain ignorant?

Datun · 14/04/2019 19:04

women are over protected in law

Lol.

MeToo

JackyHolyoake · 14/04/2019 19:04

you're not aware of the slights then, or the accusations.

No .. I thought you said earlier you are a woman. Are you a man?

Shaboopy · 14/04/2019 19:05

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Datun · 14/04/2019 19:05

what father could ever get to see their child if you lot had a say?

Haha. It's like MRA bingo

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 14/04/2019 19:06

what father could ever get to see their child if you lot had a say?

sorry, I'm getting whiplash from the non sequiturs

RepealTheGRA · 14/04/2019 19:06

what father could ever get to see their child if you lot had a say?

women are over protected in law

Mask really slipping now.

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