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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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Clarification on Women only spaces

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Magenta82 · 12/04/2019 13:18

Hiya, I've always identified as a feminist, I'm fairly new to Mumsnet and before joining had read about trans rights and had got the impression that any challenges were transphobic and bigoted.

I can see now that, as with most things, the issues are far more nuanced than Twitter would lead us to believe. I can see issues with women's rights, self identification, shutting down debate, etc and am starting to understand other points of view.

I guess for me the complications arise when things get personal. I have some trans friends, both MTF and FTM, who have fully transitioned (as adults over 30), had all the surgery, got certificates the whole thing. What would the general consensus be on access to single sex spaces for them?

My friend may not have grown up as a girl/woman, but has made every effort to become one because she has always felt this way, she may not have faced the same challenges as me growing up, but she has faced other challenges and discrimination. I feel like she absolutely belongs in women only spaces and would hate to think that other people see her as a threat.

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FloralBunting · 14/04/2019 19:41

Also instructive to note that openly verbally abusive MRA now was attempting a very hamfisted forced-teaming 'let's all work together' schtick a few pages back.

Worth noting the next time some creepy visitor to these here parts has a little more self discipline and plays that cutesy compromise card.

I mean, obviously, this is Easter Holidays cobblers, but they aren't all schoolkids.

LangCleg · 14/04/2019 19:41

I know we're not supposed to troll hunt but sometimes you can't blame a woman for enjoying the entertainment for an hour or so first!

Sorrynotsorry, Lily!

Datun · 14/04/2019 19:42

Sorry Lily. Blush

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 14/04/2019 19:43

look, I had a lot of post in-laws steam to blow off. it was this or kick the cat

FloralBunting · 14/04/2019 19:45

Yup. I've been at work for 9 hours on Palm Sunday, you can't expect me not to break Wesley out for shits and giggles.

JackyHolyoake · 14/04/2019 19:46

My dear sisters in this thread ... much love to you all .. and that genuinely includes our Lily @MNHQ.

LilyMumsnet · 14/04/2019 19:46

No need to be sorry - we're not snoozing, though... Wink Can't make any promises about emptying the gin cupboard, on the other hand.

Glad to hear we've saved a cat tonight, Bernard.

Enjoy your Sunday evenings! Flowers

MenuPlant · 14/04/2019 19:56

Curious Thank You!!!! Men at Work >> sound on telly OFF youtube ON and for some reason led me off to Sparks when the boys were as if not prettier than the girls and if you wanted to grow a moustache stand at a keyboard and glare at everyone that was AOK because social rules were pff the table (ish...)..

I will catch up on thread now, but to anyone feeling irritated, try sinking a bottle of prosecco and dancing around the living room to sparks it helps a lot :D That sounds like a gendered thing to do... Never fear, DH is listening and nodding along while he sews :D

FloralBunting · 14/04/2019 20:01

Bless you LilyMumsnet, you're well within reason to be having a nap if you want. Just us norty wims batting the silly mouse around like lazy cats.

Love to everyone, I have thoroughly enjoyed the laugh xx

GassyAss · 14/04/2019 20:15

Is anyone else hoping they’re going to get some anecdotal sex tonight? All this man talk and word salads gets us girls all a fluster.

FloralBunting · 14/04/2019 20:22

Frankly, all the sex I have is anecdotal these days.

FamilyOfAliens · 14/04/2019 20:23

I'm getting whiplash from the non sequiturs

Sorry, it’s a few pages back but I loved this Grin

JackyHolyoake · 14/04/2019 20:25

"Is anyone else hoping they’re going to get some anecdotal sex tonight?"

Fit of laughing until fit of coughing!

"Anecdotal" sex is now my favourite fantasy!

Datun · 14/04/2019 20:28

It doesn't matter if you do get anecdotal sex, you can't brag because, remember anecdote isn't anecdata.

🤣

JackyHolyoake · 14/04/2019 20:33

It doesn't matter if you do get anecdotal sex, you can't brag because, remember anecdote isn't anecdata.

Howling with laughter ...

animaginativeusername · 14/04/2019 20:36

@Shaboopy
'What father could ever get to see their child if you lot had a say'

What has that got to do with women's rights to women's space being compromised.

animaginativeusername · 14/04/2019 20:36

@Shaboopy
'What father could ever get to see their child if you lot had a say'

What has that got to do with women's rights to women's space being compromised.

BiologyNotBigotry · 14/04/2019 20:45

Tsk, I've just read through this whole thread. If I'd skipped to the end when I first clicked on it I wouldn't have missed the meltdown! I always seem to be late to the party! Sad

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 14/04/2019 20:51

What has that got to do with women's rights to women's space being compromised.

MRAs fascinate me at times. Especially when it comes to trans stuff. As they claim TWAW vehemently..however, they are extremely concerned for some reason about transwomen getting exactly what they want. Saying actual women should just budge over and give everything up. If they actually saw them as women, they would hate them as much as they seem to hate women.

Its almost as if both the transactivist agenda, and MRAs have the same goal in mind.

animaginativeusername · 14/04/2019 21:01

Embarrassing question but what is 'MRA'?

JackyHolyoake · 14/04/2019 21:02

MRA = Men's Rights Activist

Datun · 14/04/2019 21:03

MRA is men's rights activist.

Aka - sexist wanker who hates women.

animaginativeusername · 14/04/2019 21:04

Just googled it Men's Rights Activists

Datun · 14/04/2019 21:06

They have a script - unfailing, predictable and uniformly identical.

'Equality' means women should get all the toxic masculinity usually displayed by men.

Women's rights have 'gone too far'.

No wonder no one wants to be a feminist, you're all harpies and harridans.

And despite me thinking all this, I can't get a woman to shag me. So I'm bitter and twisted.

RedDogsBeg · 14/04/2019 21:19

I wonder if the identified as a feminist OP read all those illuminating posts and whether they are going to return to this thread.