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Clarification on Women only spaces

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Magenta82 · 12/04/2019 13:18

Hiya, I've always identified as a feminist, I'm fairly new to Mumsnet and before joining had read about trans rights and had got the impression that any challenges were transphobic and bigoted.

I can see now that, as with most things, the issues are far more nuanced than Twitter would lead us to believe. I can see issues with women's rights, self identification, shutting down debate, etc and am starting to understand other points of view.

I guess for me the complications arise when things get personal. I have some trans friends, both MTF and FTM, who have fully transitioned (as adults over 30), had all the surgery, got certificates the whole thing. What would the general consensus be on access to single sex spaces for them?

My friend may not have grown up as a girl/woman, but has made every effort to become one because she has always felt this way, she may not have faced the same challenges as me growing up, but she has faced other challenges and discrimination. I feel like she absolutely belongs in women only spaces and would hate to think that other people see her as a threat.

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KatvonHostileExtremist · 14/04/2019 19:06

MRA bingo
But not in English as we know it

Shaboopy · 14/04/2019 19:08

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BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 14/04/2019 19:09

I think at this point all we can do is strap in and see where shaboopy's going to take us. It could be anywhere (I'm joking of course, it will be a load of sexist nonsense).

JackyHolyoake · 14/04/2019 19:10

how about me too

What about you?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 14/04/2019 19:11

Oh... Nope! The thought of any woman opining "we are simply too well protected in law" has frazzled my pretty pink brain.

Off to heat the oven up for homemade pizza... Maybe cheesy calories will help it all make sense... too optimistic? You haven't tasted my pizza Grin

Datun · 14/04/2019 19:12

as for being over protected in law, the max sentence for rape is more than the max sentence for sexual assault

Best not rape anyone then, eh?

RedDogsBeg · 14/04/2019 19:12

It's a real style departure from the usual - reams of weird word salad that makes no definitive sense or point then random points unrelated to previous verbose posts just lobbed out. Interesting.

The usual avoidance of answering directly and clearly any questions or points raised though.

CardsforKittens · 14/04/2019 19:13

Ah yes, it’s MRA bingo, but even less articulate than usual.

Still on my card: more men are assaulted than women.

RedDogsBeg · 14/04/2019 19:16

a 14 year old was sexually assaulted by a female in a position of trust who was say 29, she would suffer less time than a 15yo with another 15yo. perverse

and the research and evidence you have to back up this bizarre statement?

Shaboopy · 14/04/2019 19:19

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JackyHolyoake · 14/04/2019 19:21

Feminism being about equality,

No dear, feminism is about the liberation of females from patriarchal power and control over our female lives.

Feminism is nothing to do with "equality" with males.

JackyHolyoake · 14/04/2019 19:22

I've been the strong partner behind too many inadequate alcoholic abusive mothers! I've been drugged raped battered and left for dead. I've put others lives ahead of mine in a situation more violent than a domestic,

And this leads you to believe that females owe you something, does it?

Shaboopy · 14/04/2019 19:22

RedDogsBeg

do your own research, both the charging standards and the stats are different. Leaving you to request the demographic under FOI. If you cba.

sackrifice · 14/04/2019 19:22

Feminism being about equality, have you fought for equality outside your keyboard?

Bless but feminism is still not about equality, it wouldn't harm you to do a little reading once in a while.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 14/04/2019 19:22

Feminism should do more for men

come on 'women are more suited to caring roles', I could win a toaster here!

PurpleCrowbar · 14/04/2019 19:23

Spider-Man suit.

Shaboopy · 14/04/2019 19:23

JackyHolyoake

to suggest i'm 'owed' just denotes inadequacy!

Datun · 14/04/2019 19:24

Feminism being about equality, have you fought for equality outside your keyboard?

Of course. I'm campaigning, right now, for two men a week to be killed by their female partners, I'm campaigning for boy babies to have their genitals cut so they never enjoy sex, I'm campaigning for young boys to be sold into marriage with 50-year-old women, I'm campaigning for 117 million males to be aborted on the basis that they'll grow up to be men.

Equality.

FloralBunting · 14/04/2019 19:25

Oh fgs, this one is clearly going to be shown the door, and my stupendous post with a picture of Charles Wesley will be wasted as no one will get the joke.

I do get ticked off when the wacky ones are too daft to maintain it. Still, I suppose there's only so much Kleenex in a box.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 14/04/2019 19:25

can we talk about mammoths? I really like it when the MRAs talk about mammoths

Shaboopy · 14/04/2019 19:25

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Shaboopy · 14/04/2019 19:27

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JackyHolyoake · 14/04/2019 19:27

to suggest i'm 'owed' just denotes inadequacy!

I was simply asking you the question. Do you think that the life you have chosen lead you to think that women owe you something? That they should be indebted to you for the choices you made?

Datun · 14/04/2019 19:27

Seriously, there's not enough Kleenex in the world for these incels.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 14/04/2019 19:28

cor

feminism thinks with its nipples

Grin
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