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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ruth Hunt is leaving Stonewall

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Whatisthisfuckery · 21/02/2019 16:21

Just seen this on Twitter.

twitter.com/ruth_hunt/status/1098604129394585601?s=21

I’d like to think her successor will be less homophobic. We shall see, although I’m not holding out much hope.

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Courday · 23/02/2019 12:45

That came to mind when I read the line in Janice Turner’s piece about RH’s despair.

But she was in charge, she should have gone public regarding any misgivings if she had any (yes, I know, we all know what happens when women do).
There are many things she could have done to mitigate the damage - to lesbians in particular - a lesbian advisory board for example to counter/work with the trans one for example.
In fact I think this should be a requirement for whoever takes over. There are lots of people who I could nominate for this, Julie Bindel would be at the top of the list.

ChattyLion · 23/02/2019 13:24

Lesbian Advisory board to Stonewall is a fantastic idea.

But I wouldn’t want to overstate what such a board might be able to achieve if the Trustees are the same or the Trustees don’t have a massive, publicised change of heart. This charity dismissed women’s concerns and request for discussion out of hand when they have politely and publicly been asked for that.

In a charity the Chief Executive isn’t the (only) driving force giving it direction. The Chief Exec proposes, then carries out with the staff, a work programme which the Trustees discuss and sign off on in line with the aims of the charity. Trustees are ultimately legally responsible for what the charity does.

But the charity’s actions to date, show that its aims have been commonly understood by the Chief Exec and Trustees to be exactly in line with the charity’s actions to date. Nobody has shown their despair or whatever in any public way.

So until Hunt or the Trustees set out a new position on this issue then I’ll just expect more of the same to come from a new Chief Exec. Much as I would like to be optimistic.

Popchyk · 23/02/2019 13:39

"Lesbian Advisory board to Stonewall is a fantastic idea".

But.

The Lesbian Advisory Board would be dominated by men who claim to be lesbians. And Linda Riley who is trying to cash in on the Trans Gravy Train.

Because Stonewall has no way of excluding men from a Lesbian Advisory Board because transwomen are women, right? And lesbians are attracted to gender not sex, right? So men not only have a right to be on the board, but they are actually the most oppressed of all lesbians and they therefore must be elevated above the lesser lesbians (women).

So the menz would be running any lesbian committee. Guaranteed.

Courday · 23/02/2019 13:47

"So the menz would be running any lesbian committee. Guaranteed."

If Stonewall can't stand up to themselves and host a board of actual homosexual females then they should be shut down.

Courday · 23/02/2019 13:51

Heck, have Linda Riley on the board, fine. She is a lesbian and entitled to her views but she should be joined by people like Bindel, Bellos maybe Stock who knows? There are surely plenty of women who could contribute - diversity of opinion should be encouraged, it is something that certainly seems to have been lacking over the last few years.
I would volunteer but I would just get too angry at all the bull

RebeccaWrongDaily · 23/02/2019 15:08

i've heard a rumour that little owen jones is intending to stand in Stockport to replace Anne Coffey. It won't be him.

FlyingOink · 23/02/2019 17:09

Hunt should be ashamed of herself. She's not half as clever as she thinks she is, and she has left a steaming pile of shit where a useful charity once stood.
I don't believe she has any regrets, even if six months from now she claims she was swept along by others I will never believe she didn't intend to do this. She could have resigned or spoken out earlier of she disagreed with any of this. She didn't and she doesn't. She has no honour at all.
I hope she realises how many lesbians hate her for causing us real damage. She can hide in her clique for now but as previously mentioned she's only 38, she is going to be hated for a long time to come.
She's better off moving to Canada,.all joking aside. They're even further gone than we are, and she can hide there. In the UK she will always be known amongst many lesbians as the idiot who prioritised straight male fetishists above homosexual women (and men), and who destroyed all the acceptance homosexuals had built up.
Once LGBT as an acronym is associated with perverts, that's it. Her work is done.
Ben Summerskill was a good leader for Stonewall and achieved so much. It must be agonising for him to watch as Hunt just turns it all to shit.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 23/02/2019 17:18

I’ve gone back to old school LGB. I suspect the B isn’t necessary anyway.

Popchyk · 23/02/2019 17:18

Article by Jo Bartosch.

conatusnews.com/lionesses-lambs-ruth-hunt-katie-ghose-sophie-walker/

Lionesses Led by Lambs: Ruth Hunt, Katie Ghose, Sophie Walker

"Ruth Hunt, Katie Ghose, and Sophie Walker could have been powerful advocates for women, yet each of them failed and, instead, stepped down".

Bowlofbabelfish · 23/02/2019 17:30

Once LGBT as an acronym is associated with perverts, that's it.

I have noticed, in things like newspaper comments etc, people linking the two, and there’s a definite sense of a backlash. This will harm the LGB - people are associating them because organisations like stonewall are pushing the association hard.

This is going to damage a lot of hard won acceptance. It’s worrying

FlyingOink · 23/02/2019 17:32

This is going to damage a lot of hard won acceptance. It’s worrying
Worrying and infuriating. Hunt has zero accountability. Stonewall are the default gay voice. She has absolutely caused harm and damage to the very people she has taken for granted for so long.

RedToothBrush · 23/02/2019 17:46

i've heard a rumour that little owen jones is intending to stand in Stockport to replace Anne Coffey. It won't be him.

Hahahahaha

Amazing.

Mr working class Oxford Educated Socialism himself parachuting in, just cos his Daddy was in Labour and the unions in Stockport once upon a time would ruffle more than a few feathers.

If you wanted someone who was more Liberal elite London bubble and the antithesis of 'northern labour' thinking you'd struggle to find them.

If you wanted to motivate a small army to assist Anne Coffey's reelection then standing Mr 1984 would be a recruitment gift.

Honestly, how is he going to campaign when he's blocked most of twitter after he's offended them and they've responded in kind or after people have called him out of his hypocrisy and plain old fashion bollocks and weak as fuck straw man arguments?

It'd be hilarious if it weren't so tradgic.

Even if he won the seat, he has the potential to lose half a dozen other seats in the process.

I honestly can't think of many Labour leaning people who are as divisive as Corbyn - apart from Jones.

Mumfun · 23/02/2019 18:21

Hunt has done a Cameron. Got out before the shit storm hits.

Melroses · 23/02/2019 18:22

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/stonewall-drives-away-backers-with-trans-agenda-t9jqfhc60

New article (sorry, I haven't got a subscription. Need one badly)

OvaHere · 23/02/2019 18:25

Can only read a few lines of that article but it's heartening to know that financial supporters have been backing off in light of Stonewall's lunacy.

OvaHere · 23/02/2019 18:25

Thanks TimeLady, will now read the rest.

TimeLady · 23/02/2019 18:26

That's quite an explicit article

"Many other longstanding supporters of Stonewall, including transsexuals, share our concerns and dismay that the very organisation we helped to fund and turn into the ‘go to’ LGBT [lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender] authority, advising political parties and corporates, is now telling schoolchildren that a bearded man with a penis can be a lesbian and any girls and boys deviating from 1950s gender norms are in the wrong body.”

Cwenthryth · 23/02/2019 18:32

Wow that is pretty damning.

OvaHere · 23/02/2019 18:33

The article seems to suggest that Hunt resigned due to increasing criticism, as Janice Turner also hinted at. I'm surprised because I haven't seen any evidence of anything but her doubling down but who knows what the real story is?

EweSurname · 23/02/2019 18:37

Wow! This is explicit about her being chased away then

The chief executive of the campaign group Stonewall, Ruth Hunt, has resigned after a growing protest by leading gay and lesbian supporters against her stance on promoting transgender rights.

EweSurname · 23/02/2019 18:39

Although there’s also this

Sources said Hunt, who will be leaving in August after five years at the helm, retains the full backing of the board. Gooding said she had “significantly transformed Stonewall for the better”.

youllhavehadyourtea · 23/02/2019 18:40

Football managers always have the backing of the board too.....

WeAreGerbil · 23/02/2019 18:42

And also what's the board's role and position in all this? Many of them appear to be business people in high powered roles rather than TRAs or the blue hair brigade, www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/who-we-are-1

RedToothBrush · 23/02/2019 18:57

Is that true of just spin by the times on why Hunt left?

Don't get me wrong, I'd like that to be the case, but unless it's stated explicitly by someone who is involved directly and is prepared to go on record saying it, I have to take with a pinch of salt.

What the Times has done on the subject is great but I do wonder...