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Horrendous consequence of current porn trends

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theresaspiderinthesink · 16/01/2019 19:04

I have no words.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6595871/Online-porn-horror-Girl-16-forced-colostomy-bag-attempting-group-anal-sex.html

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theresaspiderinthesink · 17/01/2019 13:54

It's also occurred to me that the way the article and head line is written, it's the girl's fault.

"men/ boys anally gang rape a girl the results in colostomy bag."

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arranbubonicplague · 17/01/2019 13:55

You are 100% correct. It's the magic erection, add it to any equation to miraculously cancel out all suffering.

A modern re-interpretation of Parsifal's wounding and healing lance...

www.monsalvat.no/spear.htm

theresaspiderinthesink · 17/01/2019 13:55

*that

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Slothslothsloth · 17/01/2019 15:29

Yes exactly Nothing

Even if she initially consented, presumably there was a point where the pain would have been such that she would have wanted them to stop? And would probably have been crying or otherwise clearly showing she was in pain. So if they carried on beyond that point (and I’m guessing they did, given the level of damage done) how is this not rape?

Ereshkigal · 17/01/2019 15:43

Porn doesn't bother with plots any more, it's "Gonzo" now. If you ever watch porn

Here's a 2012 article about gonzo porn by a very sex positive liberal feminist, Flavia Dzodzan (originator of the phrase "if your feminism isn't intersectional it is bullshit")

Not even she can handwave some of this away with "consent" and "agency": (warning it's distressing and graphic)

tigerbeatdown.com/2012/05/11/missing-intersectionality-in-sex-positive-feminism-the-unaddressed-racism-in-porn/

disneyspendingmoney · 17/01/2019 17:28

I'm a bit confused by sex positive, If dd1 is tolerant of other peoples sexual mores and also is aware of her own limits and dislikes and says no to someone who is encouraging her into an activity she personally dislikes, does that mean she ceases to be sex positive because she says no to a boy wanting to do the act she does not like?

I'm trying to get her to understand that the boy can only ask once, and accepted her answer, she may change her mind later but she initiates that change. If there is greater than one request then that moves into the territory of cajoling, coercion and demanding behaviour. Basically no means no even if half way through.

feministfairy · 17/01/2019 19:03

Now here's a (rare) judge and jury who recognise that a woman doesn't consent to being bitten and throttled and left bleeding. He didn't get away with the 'she demanded I sexually assault he' - even though he tried!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6603279/Privileged-Edinburgh-University-student-jailed-sex-attack-teenager.html

AntiSocialInjusticePacifist · 17/01/2019 19:37

Sex isn’t about what makes one party in the exchange feel good, it’s about ALL parties. If we’re at the point where straight consensual sex is basically indistinguishable from rape I’m at a bit of a loss on how to proceed. I agree causing damage and especially permanent damage to another human being should be criminal.

Echobelly · 17/01/2019 19:46

Among the many things that worry me about anal and young people is how many people will undoubtedly practise it really unsafely. I have a horrible feeling that the lads who feel entitled to ask for anal and to expect it are also too embarrassed to ask for some lube in a shop, and girls will end up horribly hurt. Because porn portrays sex as an endurance competition for women.

R0wantrees · 17/01/2019 20:09

Current alleged violent rape and sexual abuse case where the accused is claiming consensual 'rough sex'
(article contains graphic descriptions)

'Bristol grime artist Andy Anokye, Solo 45, on trial for 22 rapes'
A Bristol grime artist is on trial accused of multiple rapes.

Andy Anokye, AKA Solo 45, 31, of Millennium Promenade in the city centre, denies a plethora of charges and is due to have a five-week hearing at Bristol Crown Court.

He faces 22 charges of rape; two charges of actual bodily harm (ABH), five false imprisonments and two assaults by penetration.

Solo 45 rose to fame in 2014 with the single Feed Em To The Lions.

The rapper’s electronic take on grime has seen him work with Stormzy, Skepta, Wiley and JME after starting his career as a member of Boy Better Know.

On day one (Thursday, January 10) the jury was told Andy Anokye, AKA Solo 45, raped women and filmed it, while a woman claimed that the Grime star said that "My sex is on the verge of rape".
After the trial was adjourned due to illness, it eventually continued several days later when the prosecution concluded their opening speech on Wednesday, January 16, saying that Anokye told police he had "rough, consensual sex games".
The following day, the defence lawyers told the jury that he is not a 'monster'. (continues with updates from case)

www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/live-solo-45-rape-trial-2408819

as this is current case, caution is needed wih regards comments

Batteriesallgone · 17/01/2019 20:20

If we’re at the point where straight consensual sex is basically indistinguishable from rape

Horrifying. Isn’t that where we were back when rape in marriage was not a crime?

But now instead of one man having the right to rape you apparently now it’s all men.

Yay progress.

Slothslothsloth · 17/01/2019 20:26

But now instead of one man having the right to rape you apparently now it’s all men

Exactly. I despair.

disneyspendingmoney · 17/01/2019 20:40

AntiSocialInjusticePacifist

Sex isn’t about what makes one party in the exchange feel good

I think I would question if the men who are doing this kind of stuff actually understand what feels good. I secretly doubt they are taking time to realise the actual body sensations from gun consensual sex.

If anything it appears to be very mechanical and contrived. If they were actually to slow down and feel, rather than slam it slap or hair pulling or choke, they might get something more that the feeling of small man empowerment.

CiderBrains · 17/01/2019 20:48

Sorry but what the heck is double anal? Two cocks "in" at the same time? 😳 Is that even possible? Shock

dinkydolphin · 17/01/2019 20:55

No I don't think it's a consequence. It's a few people with a low IQ trying something they've seen online. A normal person can differentiate porn and real life sex.

Slothslothsloth · 17/01/2019 20:56

Jesus Christ Dinky could you be any deeper in denial. They’re teenagers. Porn is their only point of reference.

Slothslothsloth · 17/01/2019 20:58

Even I have had men try to do things to me in recent years that were BLATANTLY sadistic acts from porn designed to degrade me. And I’m pushing 40. There is a noticeable shift. At least I can stand up for myself now, but I couldn’t as a teenager.

feministfairy · 17/01/2019 21:01

Good grief dinkydolphin. Is that really what you've taken from this thread? That it's just 'a few people with low IQ' ? Maybe have another read?

CiderBrains · 17/01/2019 21:04

I haven't experienced it myself but you only have to look at guys sending pics of their cocks on online dating sites (friends have received them) to see that guys are more blatant than ever. Not interested in getting to know someone, just BAM! Here's my cock! As though the woman is going to swoon over it or something? ConfusedHmm

NothingOnTellyAgain · 17/01/2019 21:06

Oh well she's thick then got what she deserved.

Phew!

Case closed let's move onto something else.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 17/01/2019 21:08

Our is the suggestion that the men were too thick to notice /realise that they were causing serious injury...

Because that really is a stupid suggestion.

Iused2BanOptimist · 17/01/2019 23:01

'I was aggressive because you were s': 'Privileged' Edinburgh University student who boasted of 'daddy's credit card' and criticised his victim’s ‘performance’ SOBS as he's jailed for three years over sex attack

Felix Beck collapsed in tears in the dock of Aberdeen's High Court today as he was handcuffed and led away to start a lengthy jail term.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6603279/Privileged-Edinburgh-University-student-jailed-sex-attack-teenager.html?ito=emailsharee_article-top

This jury weren't having any of it.
Beck, of Edinburgh, claimed the woman told him she wanted to be spanked during the encounter and asked if he would like to choke her. But a jury found him guilty of sexual assault.

And the judge was spot on for once:
"your sense of sexual entitlement and arrogance.
'The way you treated your victim both during and after your violent attack was callous and disgraceful.
'I must have regard to your background but also to the consequences for your victim and the public interest in the protection of women and punishment of sexual crime."

Thank the Lord for one case where the woman was believed.

GrinitchSpinach · 17/01/2019 23:06

What a repulsive excuse for a human Felix Beck is! Thank goodness he is headed for prison.

FlyingOink · 18/01/2019 00:42

You know when you can just hear the mansplaining and excuses in your head?
I got that reading the Bristol court case story.
I'll put money on commenters in various places online pointing out that one victim met him a second time as proof of his innocence, regardless of what he did to her on either occasion.
It reminds me of the vitriol spouted at Desiree Washington all those years ago. "What did she think would happen" ad nauseam.
Well maybe she thought she'd get a shag, and it would be good. She's allowed to think that might happen. Occasionally it does!
In fact, the victim of the thread's topic might have been so porn-sick herself that she willingly put herself in that situation thinking it might be fun! Who knows.
It's almost certain that she would have wanted/needed to stop and been ignored by the 3, hence rape, but yes, she might well have been up for trying it in theory.

Porn has got so much to answer for.

FlyingOink · 18/01/2019 00:46

Yes, with a very few exceptions, men only quit porn when they realise that it is damaging them.

Exploitation of women and normalisation of uncomfortable, degrading and often outright physically damaging sexual practices? Relax, it's all consensual and everyone knows it's just fantasy.

Oh, maybe that woman I just wanked over was literally being raped before my very eyes? Meh, what are the chances?

Oh no, my penis isn't working properly when I want to actually have sex? Porn is evil!

Absolutely this, 100%

And I do care deeply about what porn does to boys and men, despite my cynical post above (I just don't think they are the main victims by a long shot). I can't stand to think of my little boy being brutalised into misogyny.

AND this, 100%. It's amazing how we can hold different perspectives in our ladybrains MagicMix Grin

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