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Vice: how an online forum for moms became a toxic hotbed of transphobia

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NotTerfNorCis · 06/12/2018 18:16

broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

Thought people might be interested in this article. One thing that strikes me is the 'reducing women to their biology' argument. Don't transwomen 'know' they're not male because their body feels wrong? Then it is about biology isn't it? Otherwise why do they think they're female?

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LikeDust · 08/12/2018 16:22

You can just imagine the artwork on the gatefold album sleeve: a doorway in the sky with an MN scarf emerging like a stairway, going down to a Dali-esque landscape where a brave haddock is fighting a Boden-clad dragon threatening him with literal violence in the form of a damson flapjack.

This is so good I want Radicalisation Portal to be an actual band - a group of mums all high on sleep-deprivation and gin doing 8 hour jams.

deepwatersolo · 08/12/2018 16:29

You know, if the STASI-like monitoring of these threads made the TRAs realize how silly it is of them not to be able to define ‚woman‘, and if it made them finally come up with some definition, with any definition - that would be worth it, imo.
But, of course, they can‘t, so they won‘t. What a way for them to waste their time. Sad, actually.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 08/12/2018 16:47

birdseye, the password to the radicalisation portal. Pass it on.

.... .- ...- . / .- / -... .. ... -.-. ..- .. -

BirdseyeFrozen · 08/12/2018 17:30

Yes, Yes, DancelikeEmmaGoldman Wink

BirdseyeFrozen · 08/12/2018 17:35

pssst
Emma
Biscuit

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 08/12/2018 18:06

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WinkWink

ErrolTheDragon · 08/12/2018 18:21

BiscuitDragon

I'm not sure a damson flapjack emoticon would work, but I suppose we could ask.

terryleather · 08/12/2018 18:36

a doorway in the sky with an MN scarf emerging like a stairway, going down to a Dali-esque landscape where a brave haddock is fighting a Boden-clad dragon threatening him with literal violence in the form of a damson flapjack.

I think I might have actually experienced this at some point during my mushy taking days in the '90s....

sackrifice · 08/12/2018 18:52

You know, if the STASI-like monitoring of these threads made the TRAs realize how silly it is of them not to be able to define ‚woman‘, and if it made them finally come up with some definition, with any definition - that would be worth it, imo.

They know what a woman is.

It is the class of people they need to monitor closely, in shifts.

BirdseyeFrozen · 08/12/2018 19:07

I'm back.
That last bit of barbed wire gave me a nasty prick.
The message is.....
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I think. Confused
Tis the hex.

OvulaRasa · 08/12/2018 19:09

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 08/12/2018 19:11

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Ereshkigal · 08/12/2018 19:37

Not a defining feature of the movement, is it?!

The class of your understatement made me actually lol Grin

HerFemaleness · 08/12/2018 21:21

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ErrolTheDragon · 08/12/2018 21:32

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Very true.

PencilsInSpace · 08/12/2018 21:42

The woman who wrote this article searched her own name on here and discovered a poster had called her a witless handmaiden. She was called a witless handmaiden because she was helping to spread the disgusting lie that feminists were hiding razor blades behind stickers so people would injure themselves if they tried to remove them. Extremist TRAs put a lot of effort into that lie. Some claimed that they themselves had been injured. Some went as far as to include pictures of their injuries, but that didn't work very well because people reverse image searched and found the pictures on google from several years ago. IIRC one of the images was of someone famous's hand and very clearly a different race to the person who posted it. One of them called out the transport police to a railway station toilet. When they got there, there weren't even any stickers, let alone embedded razor blades. The transport police issued a warning about hoax calls.

That lie was concocted and spread in order to make feminists look like a bunch of evil arseholes whose views and concerns don't deserve a hearing or any respect. It was the action of extremist TRAs but it was aided by many people who probably view themselves as moderate, on the right side of history bla bla. Lots of them probably didn't know it was a pack of lies because they really, really wanted to believe it, so of course they didn't spend any time at all checking, and most of them use T**F blocker so they couldn't see any of the posts exposing it as a pack of lies.

An alarming number of those who spread these lies were young women.

Women spreading lies to silence other women.

Lots of people are not sure what handmaiden means. This here is what it means. Eve Livingston is a perfect example of a woman actively facilitating misogyny, which is what a handmaiden is.

If I were her, I'd also want to hang onto the 'witless' label, because the alternative is that she deliberately spread lies.

Joss Prior is given a lot of space to talk in this article.

Joss Prior has put lots of energy into concocting lies to discredit feminists. Last September a 60 year old woman called Maria was assaulted by three male bodied people at speakers corner. One of the assailants was eventually convicted of assault. Maria was made to refer to her male attacker as 'she' in court.

The day after the attack, Joss Prior took some stills from bystanders' videos (which clearly show what happened), rearranged the order and concocted a false narrative that framed Maria as the aggressor. Just as with the lies about razor blades, this pack of lies was spread far and wide by lots of handmaidens and also by lefty dudebros like Owen Jones.

Joss Prior's lies are still up, still circulating, still being used to justify why women should just STFU. Imagine how distressing this is for Maria, over a year later, to still see a pack of lies being circulated about what was done to her.

Prior posted on FWR a couple of months back, saying we should stop going on about it as it was ancient history. Prior didn't stick around long - PBP if I remember right.

EmpressAdultHumanFemale · 08/12/2018 21:42
BirdseyeFrozen · 08/12/2018 21:55

Thanks for that post Pencils, spells it all out so well, loud and clear.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 08/12/2018 22:03

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In the meantime, I’m considering making David Lebovitz’s salted tahini chocolate chunk biscuits. We’re going to need snacks in the portal.

Ereshkigal · 08/12/2018 22:22

Herfemaleness you are brilliant Wine

SophoclesTheFox · 08/12/2018 22:25

loving your work, herfemaleness!

And great post, pencils

LikeDust · 08/12/2018 22:27

Love it herfemaleness

I really hear it sung with a pompous, clipped voice.

littlbrowndog · 08/12/2018 22:28

Pencils. Owning it on prior and the other stupids. 🐝💪

littlbrowndog · 08/12/2018 22:29

Now cry me a river eve and prior