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Vice: how an online forum for moms became a toxic hotbed of transphobia

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NotTerfNorCis · 06/12/2018 18:16

broadly.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-mom-forum-terf-transphobia-feminism

Thought people might be interested in this article. One thing that strikes me is the 'reducing women to their biology' argument. Don't transwomen 'know' they're not male because their body feels wrong? Then it is about biology isn't it? Otherwise why do they think they're female?

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LangCleg · 08/12/2018 13:18

Am also on a week long ban on twitter for suggesting Rosa Freedmans door was peed on by a penis

Literal violence! Welcome!

PineappleSunrise · 08/12/2018 13:21

What, does Twitter think it was done by someone using a Shewee?

LikeDust · 08/12/2018 13:22

Welcome JenderCritical

Twitter is falling apart!

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 08/12/2018 13:33

Teaching my sixth form The Handmaid's Tale at the moment.

In our last lesson, we were discussing the presentation of the Guardians, each with "a sub-machine gun slung ready, for whatever dangerous or subversive acts they think we might commit inside".

We moved on to look at the Commander's preaching at the Prayvaganza:

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection."

"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

And we discussed the metaphorical silencing of women, and how it is attempted by those who fear their power or that the truth that they speak might be an unpalatable one.

Interesting discussion. And how important that I can have those discussions with sixth formers, that we don't just shut each other down, no-platform each other, declare any beliefs that don't correspond with our own "phobic" and therefore unspeakable.

What is it that we discuss on here that people are so afraid of?

AngryAttackKittens · 08/12/2018 13:35

Reality.

FatherBuzzCagney · 08/12/2018 13:50

Radicalisation Portal sounds like a psychedelic prog rock band

It really does. You can just imagine the artwork on the gatefold album sleeve: a doorway in the sky with an MN scarf emerging like a stairway, going down to a Dali-esque landscape where a brave haddock is fighting a Boden-clad dragon threatening him with literal violence in the form of a damson flapjack.

JackyHolyoake · 08/12/2018 13:50

Message understood, BirdsEye and thanks for letting us know. Wink

hipsterfun · 08/12/2018 14:03

HerFemaleness, that’s genius.

AngryAttackKittens · 08/12/2018 14:08

Didn't a TRA protestor at one of the WPUK meetings claim that he was threatened with literal violence in the form of biscuits, on account of some people have wheat allergies?

Beansonapost · 08/12/2018 14:10

I like this hot bed of biological fact spreading.

I'm not white and I'm not a terf or a transphobe I feel those statements have physically harmed me, literal violence!!!!!

Who do I report to?

Is it Christine? Or do I call the police? Because this is unacceptable and such a violation of my RIGHTS!

R0wantrees · 08/12/2018 14:27

Twitter is falling apart!

Isn't it just..

Is this AI algorithms gorn mad?

Vice: how an online forum for moms became a toxic hotbed of transphobia
ErrolTheDragon · 08/12/2018 14:31

MN markup messes up morse.Sad

I shall put a hex on the message, seems like an appropriate medium for virtual witches.

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There's another MN emoticon we could use if we want to flag up that something is a load of bull... Archers ...

NoWayCis · 08/12/2018 14:34

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AspieAndProud · 08/12/2018 14:36

Are we part of the Intellectual Dark Web yet?

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 08/12/2018 14:37

Brew Brew Brew come on in twitter refugees

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 08/12/2018 14:53

Nice radicalisation portal Errol

ErrolTheDragon · 08/12/2018 14:59

It's an old one but a good one!

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 08/12/2018 15:00

Gender police
Arrest this man, he assumed my pronouns
He deadnamed Karen White he never checks his privilege.

Gender police
Arrest this girl
her terfy bangs are making me feel ill
And we have crashed her changing room

This is what you get
This is what you get
This is what you get
When you fail to validate us

NotTerfNorCis · 08/12/2018 15:29

Shame that NoWaySis take-off went. Luckily the TRAs who got it pulled have preserved it for us on Twitter.

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MrGHardy · 08/12/2018 15:32

"part of the network that regularly monitors Mumsnet"

Not Stasi like at all.

Anyway, the article is complete trash. It's young peoples' journalism these days - blog your opinion and hope it's picked up so you can count it as "journalistic". The author has failed to either understand anything being said, or was just trolling for quotes that appear to support her biased, pre-determined view.

BirdseyeFrozen · 08/12/2018 15:47

Errol
Nice one Errol! Duly noted.
Sorry for the delay, I went to the dead letter drop.

"The moon shines bright over the old haymarket tonight."

hipsterfun · 08/12/2018 15:51

Grin Tallulah

arranbubonicplague · 08/12/2018 15:51

Crispin Sartwell nicely captures the Stasi-like feel of some of the monitoring of conversation and tone-policing:

Like you, what I want is a world of hope where we all listen to each other all day in the hope of catching each other saying something wrong, so we can destroy each other. Only thus can we all be free. [comment on an NYT piece about a comedian who was kicked off stage by students at Columbia]

twitter.com/CrispinSartwell/status/1071360863452442624

LikeDust · 08/12/2018 16:16

Tallulah that's brilliant. I can hear a Thom Yorke's style mournful, heart-rending delivery of it.

All it needs is a shit Stock Aitken & Waterman drum pattern and crass synth horn stabs underneath it to make it one of Eve and the Monitor's finest.

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