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Please MNHQ overturn Posie Parker's ban

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Velella · 26/09/2018 19:18

That's it really.
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picklemewalnuts · 25/06/2022 16:20

There's a thread on MN somewhere about how RoevWade was bad law, and better law is needed. Perhaps she's referencing that kind of idea? I don't know enough about it.

getcheesytime · 25/06/2022 16:26

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FOJN · 25/06/2022 16:54

i think she has shown she is right wing by

doing a you tube video in which she says the left is dead to her and explaining why she is not left wing.

How exactly does this mean she is right wing? Many of us who have historically been left leaning are politically homeless. KJK is apolitical as far as I'm aware. The left judges me far more harshly for my refusal to support the cause than my conservative voting friends do for my refusal to join theirs.

going on right wing news programmes (Tucker Carlson Fox News)

Being interviewed by someone who is right wing makes you right wing? Does interviewing right wing people make the interviewer right wing? Just wondering if this is a two way street. How contagious is it? If my neighbours vote conservative am I likely to start doing the same. Why is there a problem with diverse political views? The left is fucking women over so they clearly do not have the answers, why are the right worse?

doing collaborative videos with far right activists

Could you name these far right activists? In haven't seen any of these videos.

flying to the US to meet with right wing and far right wing organisations and activists

I see you including right wing and far right in the same sentence, hoping to taint the right wing by lumping it together with the far right. She was given a platform to speak by a conservative organisation, so what? I watch her videos she does not share socially conservative values but is will spread the message wherever she is offered a platform.

flying to Norway to meet with right wing and far right wing activists

This has already been explained but you continue to lie about it. She attended a left wing event which had been infiltrated by a far right activists who asked her for a photo, she had no idea who he was. Why would she suspect he was a far right activists at a lefty event.

accepting funding from a far right wing organisation

Do you have any receipts for this claim? Apparently we all get paid by the American far right Christian fundamentalists. I'm still waiting for mine. She makes money by selling merch on her website and presumably gets paid if she writes an article for a publication.

*her various tweets showing right wing views indicating she is happy to sacrifice abortion rights, her anti-Islam opinions, and so on."

You have given us one cropped message here with nothing to prove who posted it. I actually believe the words are KJK's but the full statement has been cropped by those who would like to discredit her. She's very clear about her priorities but does not insist you share them. She has spoken about grooming gangs and little girls wearing the hijab, she is not the only one to comment on these issues.

Discovereads · 25/06/2022 19:12

FOJN · 25/06/2022 16:54

i think she has shown she is right wing by

doing a you tube video in which she says the left is dead to her and explaining why she is not left wing.

How exactly does this mean she is right wing? Many of us who have historically been left leaning are politically homeless. KJK is apolitical as far as I'm aware. The left judges me far more harshly for my refusal to support the cause than my conservative voting friends do for my refusal to join theirs.

going on right wing news programmes (Tucker Carlson Fox News)

Being interviewed by someone who is right wing makes you right wing? Does interviewing right wing people make the interviewer right wing? Just wondering if this is a two way street. How contagious is it? If my neighbours vote conservative am I likely to start doing the same. Why is there a problem with diverse political views? The left is fucking women over so they clearly do not have the answers, why are the right worse?

doing collaborative videos with far right activists

Could you name these far right activists? In haven't seen any of these videos.

flying to the US to meet with right wing and far right wing organisations and activists

I see you including right wing and far right in the same sentence, hoping to taint the right wing by lumping it together with the far right. She was given a platform to speak by a conservative organisation, so what? I watch her videos she does not share socially conservative values but is will spread the message wherever she is offered a platform.

flying to Norway to meet with right wing and far right wing activists

This has already been explained but you continue to lie about it. She attended a left wing event which had been infiltrated by a far right activists who asked her for a photo, she had no idea who he was. Why would she suspect he was a far right activists at a lefty event.

accepting funding from a far right wing organisation

Do you have any receipts for this claim? Apparently we all get paid by the American far right Christian fundamentalists. I'm still waiting for mine. She makes money by selling merch on her website and presumably gets paid if she writes an article for a publication.

*her various tweets showing right wing views indicating she is happy to sacrifice abortion rights, her anti-Islam opinions, and so on."

You have given us one cropped message here with nothing to prove who posted it. I actually believe the words are KJK's but the full statement has been cropped by those who would like to discredit her. She's very clear about her priorities but does not insist you share them. She has spoken about grooming gangs and little girls wearing the hijab, she is not the only one to comment on these issues.

It’s the sum of everything. I mean if you’ve definitively stated you are no where on the left wing, the entire left is “dead” to you, you’re hanging out with the right wing, you’re producing videos and news with the right wing, youre agreeing with right wing policies, youre spending thousands to visit prominent right wing organisations, and you’re taking money from the far right wing….but you’re not right wing? Uh ok. I mean there are people in prison for having joined ISIS with less evidence.

Video with far right- already mentioned and linked her video with white nationalist Jean-François Gariépy
I mentioned right wing and far right on her US trip because she met with several organisations on that trip: Heritage Foundation (right wing) and Womens liberation Front (far right) and Hands Across the Aisle Coalition(far right). It wasn’t to taint anything but a statement of fact.
On Norway Oslo Trip, not lying at all. In fact posted that despite this being an event billed as anti-imperialist left wing it actually had invited a half dozen far right wing speakers. Look up thread for the names and backgrounds.
Funding from far right- that was Hands Across the Aisle and I posted links to the fundraising campaign they posted for Posie Parker and the receipt webpage showing £10,725 for raised and given to her by its members.

You’re in denial if you think she isn’t right wing and making alliances with the far right.

Discovereads · 25/06/2022 19:14

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 25/06/2022 14:48

”a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition”

OK, if we're going with dictionary definitions, do you think KJK stands for a centralised autocratic government? receipts?

does she want a dictatorial leader? receipts?

severe economic and social regimentation....you get the idea

No, KJK is not a fascist but neither are the TRAs she clashed with. Isn’t that obvious to you?

Discovereads · 25/06/2022 19:16

BaronMunchausen · 25/06/2022 15:34

Yes. "forcible suppression of opposition" fits the men in black shirts. (As do the Blackshirts of course.)
Fascism is always patriarchal and anti-woman. It is always macho. Domination and intimidation are defining characteristics - and particularly male domination of women. Historically it has often arisen in response to women's rights movements. The Blackshirts in Manchester and Bristol sought to forcibly suppress feminists and advance patriarchal men's rights, with much macho swagger and strutting male privilege.

Lol, this is pure unadulterated horse shit.

FOJN · 25/06/2022 19:43

It's impossible to take you seriously when you are describing the Women's Liberation Front and Hands Across the Aisle as far right. You must think everyone who isn't a communist is a nazi. FFS

Hellycakes · 25/06/2022 19:54

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RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 25/06/2022 19:59

In fact I'm surprised your posts are still standing as it was only this week that a whole thread got decimated by posters mass reporting any negative posts about Posie

rubbish

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 25/06/2022 20:06

heavens people are weird about KJK

and even if she is right wing, so what? so were 43.8% of the country in the last general election

she's 'given up legal abortion in the USA' now too apparently. She made my milk go sour and my cow go lame too. I vote we brand her

Discovereads · 25/06/2022 20:11

FOJN · 25/06/2022 19:43

It's impossible to take you seriously when you are describing the Women's Liberation Front and Hands Across the Aisle as far right. You must think everyone who isn't a communist is a nazi. FFS

I’m not a communist. I don’t think KJK is a Nazi either. But these two organisations are indeed far right:

www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/04/fake-radical-feminist-group-paid-political-front-anti-lgbt-organization/

bylinetimes.com/2021/09/30/the-far-right-co-option-of-the-transgender-rights-issue/.

Hellycakes · 25/06/2022 20:17

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RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 25/06/2022 20:20

I know which thread youre on about

its still rubbish

FOJN · 25/06/2022 20:37

Discovereads

Links to two sources, one s an LGBTQ publication and the other by a journalist who specialises in reproductive and LGBTQ rights. I'm absolutely certain neither of them is biased. Perhaps they are trying to smear HATA and WoLF in the same way you are trying to smear PP. Recycling other people's lies as evidence to support your own assertions won't stand up to scutiny. You could call me right wing because I have accepted the left are beyond saving at this point but it really won't make it true. Hands Across the Aisle are clear they represent multiple interests from across the political spectrum and WoLF are a long standing radical feminist group set up by lefty women.

Kara Dansky, mentioned in the first article, is now politically homeless having previously been a lifelong Democrat. The legal action she received financial support for from a conservative organisation was to challenge a proposal which sought to include gender as part of sex discrimination legislation which would have made it impossible for women to talk about how gender ideology infringed their rights. Julie Bindle did not support making misogyny a hate crime for related reasons, try telling her she right wing.

You don't like KJK, you don't have to but it's dishonest to portray her as something she is not. She has no political allegiance now although she was a paid up member of the Labour Party, she's simply decided to expend her energy where it will be more effective.

Janemain · 25/06/2022 20:52

Agree

AlisonDonut · 25/06/2022 21:00

Lol, this is pure unadulterated horse shit.

Can you give us an example of fascists that support and centre women?

And I don't mean 'Hitler had only one testicle so he obviously Identified as a Woman' and that Italian Dictator Miss O. Lini.

What exactly is it that Posie stands for? The rights of women and girls [females].

That's it.

They really hate her for it.

Discovereads · 25/06/2022 21:39

AlisonDonut · 25/06/2022 21:00

Lol, this is pure unadulterated horse shit.

Can you give us an example of fascists that support and centre women?

And I don't mean 'Hitler had only one testicle so he obviously Identified as a Woman' and that Italian Dictator Miss O. Lini.

What exactly is it that Posie stands for? The rights of women and girls [females].

That's it.

They really hate her for it.

But fascists don’t centre women, that’s what feminists do. You are really reaching to argue that there is no such thing as a female fascist. And I’ve not implied KJK is a fascist at all. I’m just pointing out your idiocy in saying that only men can be fascists.

Discovereads · 25/06/2022 22:00

FOJN · 25/06/2022 20:37

Discovereads

Links to two sources, one s an LGBTQ publication and the other by a journalist who specialises in reproductive and LGBTQ rights. I'm absolutely certain neither of them is biased. Perhaps they are trying to smear HATA and WoLF in the same way you are trying to smear PP. Recycling other people's lies as evidence to support your own assertions won't stand up to scutiny. You could call me right wing because I have accepted the left are beyond saving at this point but it really won't make it true. Hands Across the Aisle are clear they represent multiple interests from across the political spectrum and WoLF are a long standing radical feminist group set up by lefty women.

Kara Dansky, mentioned in the first article, is now politically homeless having previously been a lifelong Democrat. The legal action she received financial support for from a conservative organisation was to challenge a proposal which sought to include gender as part of sex discrimination legislation which would have made it impossible for women to talk about how gender ideology infringed their rights. Julie Bindle did not support making misogyny a hate crime for related reasons, try telling her she right wing.

You don't like KJK, you don't have to but it's dishonest to portray her as something she is not. She has no political allegiance now although she was a paid up member of the Labour Party, she's simply decided to expend her energy where it will be more effective.

@FOJN
I believe KJK is right wing. I’ve posted the evidence- and there is quite a bit. That is my honest opinion.

Oh and the $15,000 Kara Dansky got for her legal action was from ADF which isn’t just a “conservative organisation” but a far right wing hate group.
www.splcenter.org/news/2020/04/10/why-alliance-defending-freedom-hate-group

FOJN · 25/06/2022 22:40

Oh my, a link from the Southern Poverty Law centre, you're spoiling me. I didn't even need to open the link to know who they are. Have you got anything from ACLU too? Both organisations have done good work in the past but there is no point denying SPLC is very left wing and the ACLU has recently lost the plot and gone full on SJW and not in a good way.

Perhaps you could give me a list of approved people I can associate with to avoid being placed on a right wing extremist watch list. I get the impression anything even slightly right of Jeremy Corbyn will put me at risk.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 25/06/2022 23:11

I believe KJK is right wing

I still don't understand why this is relevant or an issue though?

FOJN · 25/06/2022 23:39

I still don't understand why this is relevant or an issue though?

Because right wing people are evil; they only reveal their horns and tails when they are torturing kittens. Ridiculous isn't it?

MsTSwift · 26/06/2022 07:55

She’s not right wing she’s single issue and pursues that single mindedly good for her.

And so what if she were right wing? Are only left leaning people “allowed” to post on this site?

I have had to revise my views in the last few years. I cringe at my earlier naive “left good/right bad” student politics type views. Far more nuanced than that. The totalitarianism of the left is frightening.

Discovereads · 26/06/2022 07:59

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 25/06/2022 23:11

I believe KJK is right wing

I still don't understand why this is relevant or an issue though?

Because it explains why she is building alliances with the far right by appearing in videos/photos with far right personalities and also her various tweets and such supporting far right personalities. It also explains some of her views like the time she said men armed with guns should be in womens toilets to “protect” women and girls from transwomen who just want a wee or to wash their hands.

AlisonDonut · 26/06/2022 08:10

It is unhinged. Stalker level achieved.

And even if any of this showed she was right wing, it isn't actually illegal to be right wing. The whole point of right versus left is that half the country sits on either side of the dead centre.

It just shows how much they don't want her to be talking about female rights.

I'd suggest that women talking about female rights right now is what we need and anyone wanting to suppress that has questionable motives.

Discovereads · 26/06/2022 08:19

@AlisonDonut
No it’s no issue to be right wing, the issue (as I’ve said) is the evidence that KJK is actively seeking out and building alliances with the far right, the fact she’s been in several videos/photos with far right personalities means she is associating with the far right, and then before she was banned she actually tweeted support messages for far right personalities (notably Tommy Robinson). Some of her views could be classed as extremist…the view for instant that abortion rights are negotiable and she would be happy to sacrifice legal access to abortion for all women if it meant keeping transwomen out of womens spaces. The view I mentioned above as well is quite extreme- that there should be armed men in womens toilets prepared to shoot any transwoman attempting to have a wee there. They’re not your typical moderate conservative view.

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