Please MNHQ overturn Posie Parker's ban

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That's it really.
Add a post if you agree.

“It just shows how much they don't want her to be talking about female rights.
I'd suggest that women talking about female rights right now is what we need and anyone wanting to suppress that has questionable motives.”

Who are “they”? Yes I a, not GC, but a trans ally. But I can see extremism and be concerned by it no matter which side of the debate it is on. There are extremist TRAs and I would support a ban against them too. But I’m not the only one concerned about KJKs extremism.

Need I point out that on this thread @GCandproud agreed with my initial post about the far right concerns with KJK. I’m willing to bet £100 that @GCandproud is a gender critical feminist and she also doesn’t want KJKs ban lifted. If I were GC, I’d not want KJK speaking as a leading GC feminist, as the shenanigans she has been up to harms the cause more than helps it because she is an extremist. And @GCandproud is not alone, Jean Hatchet, a GC activist, who worked with KJK and went on the US trip with KJK has taken great pains to distance herself from KJK after that trip due to KJKs cosy relationship with right wing “misogynist wankers” among other things.
www.radicalfeminisminpraxis.com/2019/03/01/testimony-of-jean-hatchet-regarding-posie-parker/

If you want her attention then go somewhere where she can respond rather than somewhere that she can't.

I mean, if you think a middle aged married mother of 4 is a right wing fanatic because she advocates for the rights of women, then you are beyond help.

I'm more than happy to contact her and get you onto her show to make your accusations to which she will more than happily respond. Which evenings are you free for the next 2 weeks, i'm sure we can arrange something.

man, you're nuts

Because it explains why she is building alliances with the far right by appearing in videos/photos with far right personalities

'appearing in photos' doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

I now bring you incontrovertable evidence that Paul McCartney is in an alliance with Russia !!1!!!1!!

and if you don't now believe that Paul McCartney is in an alliance with Russia, ask yourself why the same evidence proves to you that KJK is in an alliance with the far right (clue: for some reason her being a bad person is very important to you - were you part of the women's place team who stitched her up back in 2018 perhaps?)

I got photobombed by a dog once and by golly, they threw me right out of the Cats Protection League shop next time I visited.

Being a middle aged married mother of 4 and a feminist doesn’t automatically make you left or right wing. I never said she is right wing “because she advocates for the rights of women” but because of her actions and views that align with the right wing. You can’t seriously say that the view it is ok to sacrifice women’s legal right to abortion is “advocating for the rights of women” and is left wing? The same with allowing men with guns into womens spaces…that’s not left wing, that’s right wing straight from the Trump playbook of only good men with guns can protect you from bad men. The same with her view that GC should never negotiate with TRA, that there can be no compromise at all…this is a hard line approach favoured by the right wing.

We get it. Which evenings are you free to have it out with her? Just let me know and I'll find out which she wants to do.

Or...don't YOU negotiate with the enemy...taking a hardline approach favoured by the right wing OH MY GOD.

Bill Hayley met Enock Powell, although no direct photographic evidence exists, so maybe Bill Hayley wasn't building alliances with the far right that time?

Alice Cooper WAS photographed with Theresa May though, so he's definitely going to hell

I would suggest that any person who wishes to try to create more out of KJK getting the word out to a wide audience does ask her
directly and stop these ridiculous accusations. She will respond to polite discussion, and by polite not starting of calling her views ‘anti’ anything would be a fucking good start.

She is quite capable of talking for herself.

It is the exact same thing with the claims against LGB Alliance… seriously if you have concerns about what YOU think they believe, ask them to clarify. Instead, we have a thread (not this one) nearly full with people claiming things that they cannot produce evidence for apart from chopped off quotes.

I wouldn’t recommend just plopping comments on her live streams as they will be moderated out. Make a conscious attempt up front and just ask her.

Because there is a lot more evidence than a single picture. Which I have posted in this thread. I even did not post her tweets of support to Tommy Robinson, nor the photo of her having drinks in Manhattan with Brendan O’Neill who is known for these right wing views:
-O'Neill argued against victims of sexual abuse by high-profile individuals like Sir Jimmy Savile coming forward publicly, stating: "I think there is more virtue in keeping the abuse as a firm part of your past, rather than offering it up to a scandal-hungry media and abuse-obsessed society that are desperate for more episodes of perversion to pore over". So basically a misogynist wanker who wishes female victims of sexual abuse would kindly shut the fuck up.

-He has characterized the increasing acceptance of homosexuality as “queer imperialism". So, anti-gay

-Referring to high-profile cases of racial abuse and alleged racial abuse, he argued, "these incidents and alleged incidents are not racism at all, in the true meaning of the word", due to the levels of passion involved, describing anti-racism efforts as "a pretty poisonous desire to police the ... working classes". So thinks racism doesn’t exist in the U.K. and it’s all a plot to keep the working class down. After all he also said “"virtue-signalling nonsense of Black Lives Matter".

-opposed efforts to combat climate change through reductions in carbon emissions, and instead advocates for "technological progress". He has said that the environmental movement has become a "religious cult" “waging war on the working class”.

-In September 2019, he said on the BBC's Politics Live that British people should be rioting about delays to Brexit. He said: "I'm amazed that there haven't been riots yet." When asked by guest presenter Adam Fleming: "Do you think there will be riots?", O'Neill responded: "I think there should be."

No, I’m not a TRA. I’ve stated that on prior threads. I don’t do activism. KJK isn’t an enemy to me at all…funny you would choose the word “enemy” when I see it as a civilised debate rather than a war. But, anyway I have a right to an opinion regarding various activists and whether their MN ban should stay in place or not. I think MNHQ made the correct decision to ban KJK and support it fully.

It isn't my words, 'not negotiating with the enemy' is a very well known phrase.

I guess you are only prepared to smear her on social media where sha cannot respond then.

A known tactic of the far right if I am not mistaken.

Yes, there is masses of evidence but people on here will scream til they are blue in the face that it’s not a problem, that it’s not KJK’s fault that Tommy Robinson supports her, that actually it’s okay that she goes on the shows of far-right commentators. There’s no point trying to reason with them.

For those of us who have been hanging around mumsnet for too long, many will remember quite an interesting history, especially regarding Muslims, long long before this stuff started.

i think adherents to KJK’s style of campaigning is probably why we are seeing an increase in tradwife type arguments on here - eg that true female fulfilment lies in marriage and child-rearing and spinning this to mean feminism because it involves “standing up for women”.

there was her video on a YouTube channel which suggested that kids become gay if they bang their heads as infants. PP’s fans claimed it was a fake account set up by a TRA and had nothing to do with her but I can say pretty confidently that it wasn’t as I was involved in discovering it (it had existed for a v long time before being made known and was not a fake).

I’m not smearing anyone. Everything I have said about her I have backed up with evidence. Her actions speak for themselves, if you think they reflect badly on her such that it’s a smear on her character, well that’s on her not me. And frankly, I did not initiate or resurrect this thread, I merely posted my support of MNHQs ban of KJK with my fully evidenced and considered reasons why.

@GCandproud
I hope you don’t mind me having referenced you. I am so happy to see you back on the thread. I agree with your post too on the trad wife issue.

Thank you and I don’t mind at all. It does worry me when people start actually promoting gendered stereotypes as good and one poster on another thread said “it’s the natural way of life” when that’s what second wave feminism fought so hard against. Another person that KJK promotes is Jordan Peterson, who spouts stuff about how women are hardwired to be wives and mothers and stuff and that more equality equals less happiness for women. It worries me a lot that this is what some people see as feminism. I think having integrity and principles is very important. I will never team up with the far-right even if I think they have a wide-reaching platform.

Also, I question how effective KJK actually is because she also has the effect of silencing those with more moderate views. If recognising the importance of sex as a material reality becomes tied to KJK’s campaign, then people will stay silent rather than being associated with her. Tommy Robinson is, I guess, also an influential personality and has a lot of online supporters. However, politically, nobody will touch him with a bargepole so he’s not bringing about any changes (good, as he’s a massive racist). If you actually want to improve conditions for women, you need legislative and policy decisions to be made and a controversial and divisive figure like KJK won’t bring that about.

I also find it abhorrent that when women of colour have expressed discomfort at KJK’s comments on race and religion, that posters on here have told them to shut up and that it isn’t important/relevant to think about race in this debate.

ive read stuff from KJK that ive not agreed with or thought was a mistake

but i do feel i have the right to put a different interpretation on what she has said (especially when people are just quoting the first half of what she said….picking the worst bits) without some random telling me that im a fan or that im an adherent or right wing or agree with every uttering shes ever made …there is no point trying to reason with people like that

im allowed to ask for evidence in the same way that i need evidence for things that TRAs have said for example.

I don’t consider the below as evidence (and i know you understand that sorry

but I can say pretty confidently that it wasn’t as I was involved in discovering it

i also don’t except things without evidence when people that i know lie on a very regular basis on threads are telling me to trust their word

finally…ive no real interest in KJK being reinstated, i would prefer for people like langcleg to come back (thats not an either or) …but I’m fairly positive that most people who’ve been banned and especially KJK have no interest whatsoever in coming back

I was so long typing that that i crossed with GC

so its not a response to your last post

@GCAndProud

Did not know KJK aligned with Jordan Peterson as well. That is problematic for any feminist.

“I also find it abhorrent that when women of colour have expressed discomfort at KJK’s comments on race and religion, that posters on here have told them to shut up and that it isn’t important/relevant to think about race in this debate.”

Yes, I did not mention one thing that was awful because I didn’t have evidence as to who coined the term “Black Pampers” to mock the TRAs in black & masks. Although I don’t know who came up with it, I do know that Posie Parker uses that term often as if it isn’t offensive and has been videoed cheering on a GC activist dressed as a “Black Pamper” in a black body suit and wearing an adult diaper. She supports this despite BLM members and other women of colour telling her it is racist and offensive to appropriate the Black Panthers name to mock TRAs as it also makes the Black Panthers objects of derision when they were key to the US civil rights movement of the 1960s.

why we are seeing an increase in tradwife type arguments on here

I am now keen on seeing those trad wife posts on MN Sex and Gender discussions board.

I must be reading the wrong threads? ??

There’s a recent one on whether the sexual revolution was bad for women. I’m sure you will be able to find it. Basic premise: marriage is good and protective and things were better in the past when men had to do the honourable thing. Lots of posts on there about what is natural and what women want.