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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans debate BBC 5live post 9am TODAY Mon 24th Sept

270 replies

TefalTester123 · 24/09/2018 08:56

Not posted much on this but been following the debate. Just heard interview with the Guide Leader at the centre of the GG issues (Helen I think) and announcement that they will be debating the whole trans issue after 9am with Nicky Campbell.

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vicviking · 24/09/2018 09:28

Why is craig being given so much time?
Just to keep the gender critical voices off.

My opinion of nicky campbell has reached a new low.

ChoccyJules · 24/09/2018 09:28

Well I’ve texted in. They need to get back to the actual issues, not bang on about acceptance or not.

vaginafetishist · 24/09/2018 09:29

Larry Grayson is offensive? ???

heresyandwitchcraft · 24/09/2018 09:30

This is NOT A DEBATE if you don't show the views of the opposing side.
To be honest with you, Craig sounds a little bit like a plant at this point.

Believe you me, any of posters on this board would be able tear down this ideology in 2 minutes flat.

vaginafetishist · 24/09/2018 09:30

Yeah, my heart hurts too. Every fucking day when I think of the world I've brought my daughter into.

BeUpStanding · 24/09/2018 09:30

Is this woman actually a qualified doctor, or does she just identify as one?

ChilliJamandAvocado · 24/09/2018 09:31

lol Grin BeUpStanding

vicviking · 24/09/2018 09:31

So the only voices we hear are those unaffected by self id?

Objections positioned as ignorance.

Complete BBC stitch up.

JoanSummers · 24/09/2018 09:32

Lolololol Craig's parting thoughts are that we need understanding of not being able to understand?

He means that this makes no fucking sense but he really wants to be kind. The constant prodding of homophobia and gayness into this conversation is at the centre - people don't want to be homophobic and they think that recognising a men are male and women are female makes them a bigot in need of reeducation. Who according to Helen and the presenter won't understand until they meet some trans identified people and see how sad they are about it all. :/

R0wantrees · 24/09/2018 09:33

From Gender GP website queries:

Is it true you have been suspended?
My LHB (local health board) have been advised of the large number of complaints that have been made to the GMC about me by the consultants at Charing Cross and the GIDS. They have temporarily suspended my ability to work as an NHS GP in Wales. Although I understand they have to take complaints and concerns seriously, they have taken this step without even interviewing me and I feel they have been unfair and harsh.

Are you being investigated by the GMC?
I have had numerous complaints to the GMC about my transgender service.

A complaint from Alec Rook questioning whether I was qualified to provide gender care. This was fully investigated and no concerns were found on my fitness to practice in this area.
A letter from Stuart Lorimer, consultant psychiatrist at Charing Cross and GenderCare private clinic regarding my practice with numerous comments and concerns. The GMC decided that the complaint did not need investigating.
Another letter from Stuart Lorimer with further concerns. The GMC did not feel this warranted an investigation.
I raised concerns about James Barrett, consultant psychiatrist at Charing Cross and the GMC did not investigate but instead opened an investigation about me. This was closed with no fault found.
Professor Hindmarsh, via Dr Butler, consultant paediatric endocrinologist has made a complaint about my treatment of a transgender child. This investigation is currently ongoing.
A ‘senior doctor’ from Charing Cross has made an anonymous statement to the CQC which has now ben passed to the GMC. He outlines various concerns he has, none of which he can substantiate.

Why aren't you registered with the CQC?
As my services are currently provided from mob home in Wales, the CQC registration does not cover this area. I have been told by the CQC that my service does not need to be registered.

What about registration with the Health Inspectorate Wales?
GenderGP started as a simple WordPress blog website for advice for patients and doctors. It very quickly grew as the demand rose and I have now given advice to thousands of people. I first applied for HIW registration in October 2016 but they have still not completed their registration processes.

Recently they have told me that I should no longer provide services and that they are mindful to not approve my application.

As there are a large number of patients relying on my care who can’t get the help they need from anywhere else, and because there is a high incidence of self harm and suicide in this patient group, I am going to transfer the hub of my service to my other residence in Malaga, Spain so that I can continue providing care while the regulatory processes are being sorted out.

Why don't you follow NHS guidelines for treating children?
There are currently no NHSE guidelines on the management of gender variant children.

Which guidelines do you follow?
Gender-Affirming Care of Transgender and Gender Nonbinary People

Center of Excellence for Transgender Health
Department of Family & Community Medicine University of California, San Francisco
2nd Edition – Published June 17, 2016
Editor – Madeline B. Deutsch, MD, MPH

gendergp.co.uk/queries/

Zeugma · 24/09/2018 09:33

The fawning over 'Alexa', Webberley and Nice-but-Dim Craig is nauseating

heresyandwitchcraft · 24/09/2018 09:34

This whole thing is basically straight out of the trans activist playbooks:

  1. compulsory "re-education"
  2. only present trans activists
  3. demonizing feminists
  4. accept us and support us
  5. conflating sexuality with gender identity

Fuck right the fuck off.

ImPreCis · 24/09/2018 09:34

IS this it? Is this as close as the BBC dare to get to a discussion?

heresyandwitchcraft · 24/09/2018 09:34

Can we call in?

BadasIwannaB · 24/09/2018 09:35

Oh they're doing the whole: questioning any part of the trans dogma is exactly the same thing as being homophobic. Trans dogma is homophobic. Google 'cotton ceiling', 'lesbian erasure'. FFS

R0wantrees · 24/09/2018 09:35

I've never liked 5Live... I want to go back to R4!

JoanSummers · 24/09/2018 09:36

Alexa weighing in "be open to learning and respect transgender people" reiterating that the main thing that matters is trans people's feelings and everyone else needs reeducation.

Reeducation Reeducation Reeducation

They should put that on the back of their 'transwomen are women' t shirts.

FloralCup · 24/09/2018 09:36

Why do all these transgender speakers always speak for so long but never actually say anything of any substance?

R0wantrees · 24/09/2018 09:37

The best thing is for these answers to be transcribed.

When the answers are written down, it is so much clearer what it being said.

ChilliJamandAvocado · 24/09/2018 09:37

Reeducation?

Would that be taking place at the Gender Gulags?

Stilettosandan0venglove · 24/09/2018 09:38

08085 909 693 or text 85058

JoanSummers · 24/09/2018 09:38

During this sports catchup news bit I'm noticing that Helen Webberley is the only female voice I've heard since I turned Five Live on this morning, at just past nine.

Beamur · 24/09/2018 09:38

What a waste of airtime. Nicky Campbell has just lost any respect I might have had for him - nice work with the nasty 'impression'
Tosh. Biased and incoherent. Dr Webberley can barely string a sentence together.
Not exactly surprising though is it?

JoanSummers · 24/09/2018 09:41

'Stephen' sounds like a woman?

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