Channel 4 appoints a new advisor on inclusion

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www.channel4.com/info/press/news/channel-4-appoints-sue-pascoe-as-advisor-on-inclusion-x

Sue Pascoe, who 4 years ago was Graham, and who said "that while a man, he was the embodiment of the all-action, red-bloodied alpha male."
Of course, by 2015, this evolved to "'It's funny, I'm 55, I am very hormonal, I am going through puberty again which means that I am just getting to my teenage girl years - so watch out world."

Perhaps those teenage girl years have been outgrown now that Pascoe is 58. Here's hoping.

I'm not convinced this will result in a better proportion of those of us who are female being represented though.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3163747/Master-Hunt-woman-age-54-marks-day-man-going-bowling-enjoying-burger-sons.html

Wouldn't it be nice if some of the recent 'inclusivity' appointments actually included women? By which I mean, the old fashioned ACTUALLY underrepresented, female type human.

I have been observing my local TRAs and acolytes for the last few years and they are OVERWHELMINGLY affluent middle class. It's really striking; the briefest bit of research and you get the private education, nice neighbourhood, parents who are well connected and frequently high up in media/academia. It's so blatantly a made-up load of decadent nonsense that when I see the "inclusion" buzzword I just think oh fuck off

I believe we have, as in many social justice matters, imported a lot of the thinking re: trans people from the US, where there really is a strong strand of poor trans women, many of whom are are PoC. I don’t see this group of trans people existing in the UK to the same extent, but everyone talks about UK trans people as uber-marginalised nonetheless.

Sorry that was in response to you pachyderm

Did Sue Pascoe contribute a chapter?

Just had a quick shufti at the first few pages (thanks, Amazon 'Look inside' feature!) and it seems not, @R0wantrees

I am quite surprised they had surgery, which is unusual for this type

It really isn't, particularly for much older transitioners.

I don't see Shon Faye mentioned in the list of alumni of posh schools... Shon attended Queen Elizabeth in Bristol - fees are £14,440 a year.

It's quite a pattern, isn't it?

I never think of the US when it comes to trans inclusion or politics. To me the US is another country but obviously one for old white men.

Zeugma Thanks, I know there are a lot of contributers perhaps she will if there's a Vol II?

That message was to Sloth

Forgive me if I say that I don't often believe what I'm told.

Especially when it comes to surgery posted on social media.

Agreed slothslothsloth, I've seen a lot of rhetoric imported wholesale from the US and applied to a completely different set of circumstances, inequality levels, welfare provision, racial politics, access to healthcare etc. It's tin-eared.

Shon Faye is also a trans woman.

She is a trans woman because she was born a male and lived as a male until mid 20s before deciding to wear dresses. Thankfully Shon discarded the blue eye shadow and now prefers the natural look.

www.theguardian.com/fashion/2014/dec/06/my-life-in-makeup

A comment below the link I gave re Shon Faye.

While I wouldn't ever wear eye makeup (it's not my thing) I regularly use my wife's concealer. Removing bags from under my eyes or a spot that's particularly angry makes me feel better about the way I look. My wife doesn't care and neither do my family - in fact, it was my wife who first suggested it!

Does this person realise what they are admitting to?

Shon Faye describes herself as a transsexual on instagram

www.instagram.com/shon.faye/?hl=en

To be fair, rich white men from public schools getting all the notice is hardly confined to the trans world ...

I am wondering if Sue Pascoe's charity Gender Care UK (GCareUK) raised & distributed any money as intended.

The only reference I can see is that it on Total Giving.
its possible that this site sweeps the information from the Charities Commission rather than it being actively registered there.
www.totalgiving.co.uk/charity/gcareuk

Aside from the grand launch which promoted GCareUK, OLMEC (& Sue Pascoe?) there doesn't seem to much said or done.

Maybe there was a change of plan.

Hi,

We're getting a fair few reports about this thread and, as you can see, we've already deleted a number of posts which we felt were breaking our Talk Guidelines.

In an effort to get it back on track (and to avoid any more holes in the thread) we're asking if everyone can please take care when posting. The bottom line is, referring to a transwoman who has had gender reassignment surgery as 'he' is inevitably going to draw reports, so in an effort to create a more civil and mutually respectful conversation, we're asking you to please use an individual's name or initials where possible.

We're doing our best (under rather difficult circumstances) to let these conversations happen - please help us out!

Thank you

Shon Faye describes herself as a transsexual on instagram

Shon Faye has recently been tweeting about identity.

@JoanneMumsnet, have MNHQ considered taking the Freedom Programme ‘Fuck this’ approach to these reporters?

Perhaps people are just a bit confused on this particular case, Joanne. You know, because of the Johnny Cash song.

hipster I wish they would!

they-who-must-be-obeyed must be obeyed...

I agree Joanne

Keep this thread up. It's incredibly interesting.

Beautifuldog My female brain is not confused at all. Who is Johnny Cash btw?

Oh I've just looked up Johnny Cash. He was a white, rich USain male.

Well, I can't quote Shon re her beauty standards because that would get me deleted. Irony much on a thread about trans women.

Interesting comment by MN: The bottom line is, referring to a transwoman who has had gender reassignment surgery as 'he' is inevitably going to draw reports, so in an effort to create a more civil and mutually respectful conversation, we're asking you to please use an individual's name or initials where possible.

They told me off for 'misgendering' (even though I hadn't) a person who has not had gender reassignment surgery.