Channel 4 appoints a new advisor on inclusion

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www.channel4.com/info/press/news/channel-4-appoints-sue-pascoe-as-advisor-on-inclusion-x

Sue Pascoe, who 4 years ago was Graham, and who said "that while a man, he was the embodiment of the all-action, red-bloodied alpha male."
Of course, by 2015, this evolved to "'It's funny, I'm 55, I am very hormonal, I am going through puberty again which means that I am just getting to my teenage girl years - so watch out world."

Perhaps those teenage girl years have been outgrown now that Pascoe is 58. Here's hoping.

I'm not convinced this will result in a better proportion of those of us who are female being represented though.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3163747/Master-Hunt-woman-age-54-marks-day-man-going-bowling-enjoying-burger-sons.html

Wouldn't it be nice if some of the recent 'inclusivity' appointments actually included women? By which I mean, the old fashioned ACTUALLY underrepresented, female type human.

Wonder if Pascoe is still into guns and foxhunting now they're a woman

In the video, Sue describes the relief of being wecolmed by a woman in her 70's who is a Hunt member when she rejoined.

Also confirms the Indian surgical company is same as the sponsors.

"Lady Of The Hunt: Alpha Male Comes Out As Transgender Woman"

the narrative in the video above seems a little different to the one on the Conservative site

From the Sunday Times article:

"Jessica Eaton, a consultant in child protection, said Mesmac’s “extraordinary and disturbing” policy was out of line with all normal practice and “opened the door for abuse and exploitation” "

I was trying to remember whose comments about this I'd read.
Thank you

Ofew
As far as the deletions are concerned, I was reading the thread live and I didn't notice anything abhorrent as we were going along. It's a real puzzler. It's a very rare Swiss cheese with gigantic holes with mice running through them like on a Disney movie by now I believe.

Is appointing a fox hunting Tory (gender identity aside) not quite out of character for channel 4? Thought they tried to be generally lefty-ish, in a vague way.

Even the genuinely female equivalent of this person (i.e. middle/upper class straight white corporate superwoman) would be unsuitable to advise on inclusion, IMO. Really for this kind of role you do want someone who has had a range of challenges to face.

Are the deletions due to using masculine pronouns maybe?

MESMAC are the ones who got in shit for saying their staff were allowed to sleep with their service users aren't they?

Yes they counselled young men, who I believe had sexual trauma, but their guidelines said they could shag them, too.

Until they were forced to change it.

Andrew Gilligan wrote a piece about them and all sorts of dodgy stuff going on.

sloth
I'm shocked at your inability to appreciate the many and varied challenges faced by poor Susie.

There's a thread at the moment reminding people to make sure there is nothing inappropriate in their internet profiles, because it may stop you getting a job.

A nearly sixty year old male comparing themselves to teenage girls is what channel 4 consider an ideal employee?

Are the deletions due to using masculine pronouns maybe?

Nope. Not all of them. I think they might be for referring the first one that was deleted?

Isn't Channel Four worried that this person has their own agenda which may be nothing to do with TV or genuine inclusion? I'd be worried they'd be pushing their own trans agenda and charity.

I'm not saying TV executives can't be into charity etc. But this person was not be into inclusivity at all. I mean bfore, they themselves admitted, they were an 'alpha male'!

How does that sit with inclusivity.

I think mine was as it was mainly about me as a teenage girl. It's hard to remember that the truth is now deleteable.
It's one big game of "let's pretend"

This is another piece on MESMAC

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/abuse-survivors-charity-yorkshire-mesmac-hit-by-sex-scandal-xbqb3hqbv

Young Mesmac outreach workers, advertising their advice services, are widely present on gay sex websites such as Grindr and the bondage site Recon. On the Bareback RT site, for people seeking unprotected sex, a smiling Mesmac staff member offers health advice and says users can “ask me” for anal intercourse.

One of the successors to the trustees who resigned, Heathcliffe Bowen, was five weeks ago convicted of multiple child sex offences, including making and possessing indecent images of children, attempting to meet a child after sexual grooming, attempting to cause or incite a child to engage in sexual activity and distributing indecent images of children.

They get millions of pounds from the government.

Although I read about this at the time, I'm finding this difficult to believe, all over again. Particularly in the light of the fact that Jesse Bradley had meetings at MESMAC.

It makes you wonder why Sue Pascoe would want to be associated with it.

sloth
I'm shocked at your inability to appreciate the many and varied challenges faced by poor Susie.

Oh yeah, I mean obviously I don’t mean to downplay how challenging it is to find just the right time window for trying on your wife’s knickers without getting caught. Susie has indeed had a heavy cross to bear.

I'm not saying TV executives can't be into charity etc. But this person was not be into inclusivity at all. I mean bfore, they themselves admitted, they were an 'alpha male'!

Well exactly. They're not even trying to be convincing!

Even the genuinely female equivalent of this person (i.e. middle/upper class straight white corporate superwoman) would be unsuitable to advise on inclusion, IMO. Really for this kind of role you do want someone who has had a range of challenges to face.

I don’t think any individual is well placed to advise on ‘inclusion’. Who has had an acceptably broad range of challenges to face? How would this be qualified and quantified?

Heathcliffe Bowen was a trustee of MESMAC and a director of its trading arm.

He was jailed in January 2018 for sexual offences against boys.

www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/paedophile-ex-council-chief-was-also-trustee-of-child-abuse-charity-1-8990165

There are quite a few people who have faced a broad range of challenges. Take Linda Bellos: black, working-class, Jewish, lesbian. Oh, and also an evil TERF bigot, apparently.

Yes as hackmum says there are many who do face lots of intersecting challenges, but I do actually agree hipsterfun that it’s not a job for one person. You really need a different person to represent different groups.

People can advise on inclusion issues on the things that they have expereince of, and can bring voices of those with other issues.

So eg unless you are disabled it's hard to understand the barriers that exist to doing often quite standard stuff (I think there is an overlap between accessibiltiy and inclusion).

I do think that D&I is a reasnable topic.

However with 53 years or whatever of life as a white "alpha male" with a highly lucrative successful career and the fox hunting stuff etc I really don't understand what sort of insights this person can bring.

They've only "come out" as trans for a couple of years and have said most people have been very supportive and now they havegot this job. I don't see where they have experinced the kind of "designed out" that some groups face (everything built for default able bodied unencumbered average sized male) nor any of the kind of structural oppression / bias that other groups get from the get-go.

When it comes to C4 are they going to be advising on inclusion when it comes to programming (so issues around vision or hearing difficulties, stuff around different groups and programming making sure that it doesn't focus on one tranche of society) OR is it about inclusion in jobs at C4 for people who do not fit the "default" template ie hiring practices unconscious bias etc? Both?

OR will it be about asking pronouns before interviewing anyone + language like "menstruators" and maybe stopping talking about stuff as "women's issues"?

In any case ,very wealthy people are not suitable for these types of roles, especially people born into wealth. Wealth and class can easily mitigate some of the worst effects of belonging to certain marginalised groups, meaning some people may tick boxes but really know very little about the real issues.

Although I did say to DH WTF does this person know about being discriminated against and he said well a lot of people really dislike people who hunt foxes so maybe it's that :D

I still can;t find the extended interview with Sue Pascoe on Sky News but from the thread below, I commented:

"She drew equivilance with gay conversion therapy and gay rights from 20 years ago (is that the section 28 ref?)

Said that things had been fine but became toxic and this was driven by a marginal fringe group.

Said Uk had now imported from the US bathroom bill bigoty and hate.

Referenced the negative press and said this made her afraid.

Said 'many of these critical people are lesbians... very loud, very critical' and that they characterise this as a war between women and transgender people.

Her women friends think they are 'fringe people with strange views' "

Yorkshire farming hunting women friends??

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3310935-Sky-news-article-Womens-rights-hanging-by-a-thread-with-changes-to-transgender-law-by-Dr-Nicola-Williams?pg=3

I wonder if OMELC the premier transgender surgery institute is where Sue Pascoe had her surgery?

@R0wantrees Well, colour me shocked:

'She was left devastated when doctors told her she would potentially have to wait up to four and a half years to have gender correction surgery on the NHS.

She said: “If I had had to wait that long I would have been dead, and that’s not just me being dramatic. To save my own life, I had to become Sue.”

Instead Sue turned to help from abroad, visiting acclaimed gender surgeon Dr Narendra Kaushik, head of Olmec Transgender Surgery Institute in Delhi, India, in November 2014.

Sue underwent breast augmentation surgery, as well as botox and stem cell injections, and also embarked on a course of advanced hormone treatments before leaving to return to the UK.

She subsequently returned to Dr Kaushik’s clinic in March 2015 for full gender correction surgery, as well as a range of facial surgery including cheek and chin implants, a nose job, a mini face lift and liposuction under her chin.

In total Sue spent £9,000 on surgery – although she estimates the bill could have been more than £40,000 if she had had the work done privately in the UK.'

From a site called Our Queer Stories

Blimey that was cheap!

Although I read about this at the time, I'm finding this difficult to believe, all over again. Particularly in the light of the fact that Jesse Bradley had meetings at MESMAC.

It makes you wonder why Sue Pascoe would want to be associated with it.

"And I can honestly say that the work that trans people do for each other means that, for me at least, the trans community is a beautiful place to be. Despite our differences, we have each others' backs"

Jess Bradley' 'To My Trans Sisters'
edited by Charlie Craggs (publ Oct 2017)

Did Sue Pascoe contribute a chapter?