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Channel 4 appoints a new advisor on inclusion

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BarrackerBarmer · 09/08/2018 13:20

www.channel4.com/info/press/news/channel-4-appoints-sue-pascoe-as-advisor-on-inclusion-x

Sue Pascoe, who 4 years ago was Graham, and who said "that while a man, he was the embodiment of the all-action, red-bloodied alpha male."
Of course, by 2015, this evolved to "'It's funny, I'm 55, I am very hormonal, I am going through puberty again which means that I am just getting to my teenage girl years - so watch out world."

Perhaps those teenage girl years have been outgrown now that Pascoe is 58. Here's hoping.

I'm not convinced this will result in a better proportion of those of us who are female being represented though.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3163747/Master-Hunt-woman-age-54-marks-day-man-going-bowling-enjoying-burger-sons.html

Wouldn't it be nice if some of the recent 'inclusivity' appointments actually included women? By which I mean, the old fashioned ACTUALLY underrepresented, female type human.

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WomanInBoots · 09/08/2018 14:16

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Melamin · 09/08/2018 14:18

In your teenage years, you are growing up.

Middle aged and getting your hormones fucked up and growing boobs.........................................? say no more

CholloDeNombre · 09/08/2018 14:19

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hackmum · 09/08/2018 14:24

Imagine if a 55-year old woman described herself as being like a teenage boy. Just imagine.

How many employers would be falling over themselves to offer her a job?

stillathing · 09/08/2018 14:25

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TheGoddessFrigg · 09/08/2018 14:25

Funny how they are always 'going through puberty' - never going through the menopause....

littlbrowndog · 09/08/2018 14:26

Yuck yuck yuck

And more yuck

stillathing · 09/08/2018 14:30

How about:
"It's funny, I'm 15, I'm going through puberty which means I'm attracting huge amounts of unwanted comments and touching from men far too old for me to be interested in them. My mum says I need to watch out in the world, and I should stop wearing such revealing clothes".

terryleather · 09/08/2018 14:30

Funny how they are always 'going through puberty' - never going through the menopause....

Yes, funny that...Hmm

SwearyG · 09/08/2018 14:39

Pascoe who said on Sky the other day that radical feminists “have lost the plot” and that it’s not our fight so we should just fuck off.

Pascoe shows that Pascoe has no respect for the old fashioned, cunty sort of women in the way Pascoe talks about us.

The world is going backwards for women. At an alarming rate.

Wanderabout · 09/08/2018 14:42

Pascoe has been really gunning for the Transgender Trend schools pack. Outright falsehoods: telling people it is conversion therapy for LGBT generally. It concerns me that a pack focused on correcting safeguarding issues in packs like Stonewall's is being attacked with outright untruth by someone who is now advising a major TV channel, and who seems to be taken seriously and given a voice by many within the Conservative party.

terryleather · 09/08/2018 14:43

But of course, stunning and brave Pascoe gets to say what's what and cunty types need to sit down and shut up...same male shit, different pile.

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R0wantrees · 09/08/2018 14:59

Sue Pascoe was interviewed by Sky News as part of their recent focus on changes to the GRA.

This is her article:
news.sky.com/story/we-need-to-combat-moral-hysteria-over-gender-recognition-11440618

From the Sky TV program:

Sue Pascoe "these radical feminists, they've lost the plot"

There was an extended interview with Sue, (I haven't found it)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3311038-Sky-News-9-30am-today-re-GRA

NotTerfNorCis · 09/08/2018 15:02

At 15 I spent a lot of time in my room reading novels. Could that be what Sue means?

Wanderabout · 09/08/2018 15:03

So what quotes to we have on women's rights from the new C4 'inclusion' advisor then?

R0wantrees · 09/08/2018 15:09

October 2015 Sue Pascoe gave evidence to the Womens & Equalities Select Committee within a year of 'coming out' (her words):

Q180 Ben Howlett: Thank you ever so much for giving up your time to come in today. I thought it would be a warm-up question to ask about the good aspects and the bad aspects of being a trans person in the UK today. Sue, would you like to start?

Sue Pascoe: I am 55 now, and it took me until I was 54 years old to come out and have the confidence to lose pretty much everything in my life to be myself. I had to wait until my father and my mother had died, and divorce freed me from my duties to my wife, and then I could start to look at being myself. I told my wife before we were married that I had a feminine side to me, but she did not want it in our marriage and that became very difficult. I hid myself as Sue most of my adult life. I was made fun of when I grew up, and I knew with pretty much certainty that if I tried to come out when I was a partner in PricewaterhouseCoopers or in Andersen, that would probably be the end of my career. I had to wait for the latter part of my life to make those transitions.

It is interesting. I made my decision to become permanently Sue in July last year, and I thought that I would lose all my family, my friends, my business and my farm, be ostracised by my friends, and need to go abroad for an operation and then start a new life with a new identity. That was the basis upon which I decided to become Sue. Amazingly, it has not really been like that. Most people who perhaps have not been in my life have been fantastic and that is the general response I get—former work colleagues. It has tended to be people who have been very close to me—knew me as Graham and now see me as Sue—that find it quite hard to make that mental leap, but that will come with time. What is clear is that going back into the workplace, which I am going to try to do—I just do not know how I am going to be responded to, but I thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak today. Graham never got to address Parliament, so this is one up for Sue. "

data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/women-and-equalities-committee/transgender-equality/oral/23159.html

LangCleg · 09/08/2018 15:10

Ugh.

Melamin · 09/08/2018 15:10

When I was 15 I wanted to be a nun and spent hours on my own meditating on god. Suspect he's not that kind of teenage girl either

LOL - I went there too - but in my case it was to avoid ever having to have sex with anyone (uuurrrrrrgggggggghhhhhh). Couldn't do with the religion either though Hmm I did consider devoting my life to becoming a maths teacher.

SturdyEarmuffs · 09/08/2018 15:13

It's always the male fantasy of what a teenage girl is, isn't it? The warped hyper sexualised fantasy. Wonder why that is?Hmm

terryleather · 09/08/2018 15:18

At 15 I spent a lot of time in my room reading novels. Could that be what Sue means?

Naah, that's what cunty types actually do NotTerf (well, I did) where as
transgirls are too busy being hot as fuck, getting cat called in the street and loving it as they flick their hair and adjust their chokers before heading off to a girly sleepover...

annandale · 09/08/2018 15:19

When I was a teenage girl I worked all hours for my o levels and was treated with utter disgust for being unable to manage my periods without bleeding onto my grey uniform skirt at random moments. I had become vegetarian but found it played havoc with my digestion so I farmed non-stop. I didn't have enough money to buy my own underwear but wore my sister's hand me downs despite being a completely different shape. I liked grandad shirts and macintoshes from oxfam and bunked off school to see Shakespeare productions and visit art galleries. I belonged to CND and the Green Party. I was not offered a senior role by Channel 4.

TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 09/08/2018 15:25

If they wanted a teenage girl, why didn't they appoint a teenager? I'm confused.

Pythagonal · 09/08/2018 15:26

I had to wait until my father and my mother had died, and divorce freed me from my duties to my wife, and then I could start to look at being myself. I told my wife before we were married that I had a feminine side to me, but she did not want it in our marriage and that became very difficult.

The poor wife.

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