Article on Maria Maclachlan Court case

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Any one see this?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/12/radical-feminist-warned-refer-transgender-defendant-assault/

The asked that preferred pronouns be used

Ms MacLachlan replied: "I'm used to thinking of this person who is a male as male."

@LadyGrey18 Does anyone know if this is something that is being enforced in all courts or is it just down to the individual judge?

The judge is acting in accordance with 2018 Bench Book (from @RadFemLawyer on twitter).

"Everyone is entitled to respect for their gender identity regardless of their legal gender status. It is important to respect a person’s gender identity by using appropriate terms of address, names and pronouns."

"It should be possible to recognise a person's gender identity and their present name for nearly all court and tribunal purposes, regardless of whether they have obtained legal recognition of their gender by way of a Gender Recognition Certificate."

www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/equal-treatment-bench-book-february-v6-2018.pdf

It would be worth comparing the previous edition; I do suspect this is a new addition for this edition.

& now contemplating

I wonder whether that applies to witness testimony in addition to the conduct of the court cromeyellow0.

Can you imagine a woman in a rape trial being prevented from referring to her attacker as a man? Can you imagine such a man kicking up a fuss about the alleged nature of the attack when as far as he's concerned he doesn't have a penis? (Having instead a "clit on a stick".)

nauticant Given the amount of sex offenders who claim to be transgender after the event, whilst in prison or on parole I think it's a distinct possibility that this is something that will happen. It may have already happened because the reporting of these things is often poor.

Well, it strikes me that Tara's image is certainly out there now

Found an older version www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/equal-treatment-bench-book-2013-with-2015-amendment.pdf

That section is there so nothing new.

Lots of other changes around gender identity issues though. Interesting appendix on equalities act.

Does this apply to descriptions of anyone who might be mentioned in court though?
For example a witness recounting a situation where a number of people were involved?

Could you actually achieve a prosecution for rape if everyone is obliged to call the offending organ a ‘lady stick’? I thought English law quite specifically required a penis, and the worst you can do without one is a serious sexual assault.

I hope common sense would prevail in such an (admittedly unlikely) scenario.

I read this as applying to all persons in court. It does state that gender at birth (??!!) Can be revealed where relevant .

There is nothing about using special language for anatomy.

So she is compelled to lie in court. Great.

Can already see where this trial is going.

And yes, genderidentitywatch is not about outing random trans people. But the lies keep coming of course.

Guilty £400 fine

Well, that's part of the crowdfunder for surgery compromised.

twitter.com/mayday4women/status/984801106919350272

"Judge took into account Tara’s autism and Oppositional Defiant Disorder as mitigating factors."

Sorry but a £400 fine is insulting. They would have got more if they'd punched a dog.

Is it wrong to feel jubilant? All that rabble rousing from Tara's supporters, ridiculous. They look ridiculous. They are ridiculous. I know they are reading. Helen is reading. RIDICULOUS!

I feel better now.

Agree, mimpi, but Tara was found guilty. We need to focus on that - imagine how we’d all have felt if they’d returned a not guilty verdict.

I feel like sending Maria some flowers - bet she’s so relieved it’s over.

It has happened where a young woman (girl?) was told to refer to her rapist as she. Disgusting. RIDICULOUS.

Oppositional Defiant Disorder FFS? So someone has trouble with 'authority figures' & gets brownie points for it? Jesus. Is there no end to this crap?

I like this comment:

twitter.com/mayday4women/status/984806035893489666

Really pleased justice was done.

Shocked that females are obliged to refer to their male attackers by female pronouns. It illustrates the problem perfectly.

Focus on the guilty verdict rather than the insulting (non) fine.

This is a prominent trans activist battering a woman and they say we commit "actual violence" I mean it's all turning on it's head isn't it.

I wonder if the press will pick up on this one. I'll be watching for that.

Yeah, I'm glad it is a guilty verdict. I'm hoping Maria can put it behind her a bit.

Awful thing to happen to her. I know she has been on here.

for Maria.

Courts themselves are falling for the "preferred pronoun" power trip by the accused.

On the pronouns thing....

[[https://twitter.com/mayday4women/status/984808008260685825 Now it’s over we can disclose events from inside court.
By end of yesterday the judge stopped asking witnesses to refer to Tara as ‘she’ as no bugger could remember consistently 🤣]]

Very pleased to hear the verdict, well done Maria.