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Article on Maria Maclachlan Court case

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ReluctantCamper · 12/04/2018 21:21

Any one see this?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/12/radical-feminist-warned-refer-transgender-defendant-assault/

The asked that preferred pronouns be used

Ms MacLachlan replied: "I'm used to thinking of this person who is a male as male."

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Datun · 14/04/2018 15:28

Ah, that's it. I knew it had something to do with the camera.

Maria is a very fit woman. She works out and isn't easily intimidated.

Women physically defending themselves is dangerous if you have a group of men determined to batter them.

picklemepopcorn · 14/04/2018 15:30

Thank you pencils. I also see coordination, and experience of using placards to obstruct other people.

Sickening.

Crispbutty, what do you see?

ArtemisRhodes · 14/04/2018 17:29

Myself and many other women have pointed out that the judge ordered Maria to perjure herself.

We have a legal person on board and are about to begin a petition to be sent to the appropriate legal authority in the UK to clarify that from now on women assaulted by men are obliged to perjure themselves by referring to them as female.

I guess we'll have to start a Change.org unless someone can tell me a better way to collect the names?

ArtemisRhodes · 14/04/2018 17:31

SORRY, TYPO

should read:

"to clarify that from now on women assaulted by men who then turn up in court wearing lipstick are obliged to perjure themselves by referring to them as female. "

I guess we'll have to start a Change.org unless someone can tell me a better way to collect the names?

BarrackerBarmer · 14/04/2018 18:17

That the price of receiving compensation is to be nice and compliant and lie under oath about your attacker. Commit perjury to get compensation. Refuse, get no compensation for your battery and risk contempt of court.

But for wouldbe attackers the going rate to beat up a woman is £400.

RogerAllamsFangirl · 14/04/2018 18:29

Artemis you might ask the Guides campaign team how they got signatures for their letter.

thebewilderness · 14/04/2018 19:34

Someone is going to change their name to innocent and insist they be addressed thusly.

crispbuttyfan · 14/04/2018 19:38

Barrack yeah I have seen the videos, I have seen Maria approach the group to film them, I have also seen her behaviour on a trans group page earlier in the day. Needless to say Tara was bang out of order.

The judge didn't simply refuse compensation because of the pronouns, he also said

"However, Judge Grant refused to grant Ms Maclachlan any compensation, saying: "Compensation would not be appropriate, particularly due to the unhelpful way in which the victim was present [at the protest] and the way she was filming.

"She was asked at different stages not to film but continued to do so."

So he took the fact he considered her to be provoking into account, if she had been an innocent bystander she would have been awarded compensation, but it wasn't as simple as that.
the seems to be a bit of re-spinning and re-interpreting going on.

It seems to me the correct result, and the judge correctly called the behaviours of both Tara and Maria.

Trousersdontmakemeaman · 14/04/2018 19:46

Crisp, gotta admire the tenacity. Do you feel you may be amongst people who are wiling to talk or are we all still haters?

You don't have to answer that because I realise it may cross your boundaries. And boundaries are important.

thebewilderness · 14/04/2018 19:49

That to me was one of the oddest things about the decision.
The statement that W was going out to do what W did was disregarded by the judge in spite of the fact that they organized specifically to harass women who were meeting at Speakers Corner.
Clear premeditation.

crispbuttyfan · 14/04/2018 19:53

Trousers, I didn't really get what you were trying to say there?

Juells · 14/04/2018 19:56

the unhelpful way in which the victim was present [at the protest] and the way she was filming.

What the...?!?! She wasn't 'present at the protest'. Her attacker was protesting the fact that a group of women wanted to have a meeting about something that concerned them.

Datun · 14/04/2018 20:00

It wasn't a protest. It was a meeting point to hand out, in secret, the postcode of the venue.

The organisers had to discern who was a meeting participant, and who was a transactivist, and secretly give the meeting participants a piece of paper with the postcode on it.

Because, all day, transactivists had phoned every possible venue within a mile of speakers corner, lying to whoever answered the phone in order to find out where the meeting was to be held, so they could get it shut down.

The lengths that women had to go to to meet, never mind protest, was ludicrous.

Trousersdontmakemeaman · 14/04/2018 20:05

Someone earlier did say that the fines are based on income, so it's proportionate to the fact that TW is unwaged and living in a squat.

I noticed the banners outside the court were from a squatter group. So not only is TW experiencing a behavioural disorder and dysphoria, TW is also living rough with no fixed abode.

Just stating facts.

TW is now criminalised which is a downward spiral in terms of a future, so I, as an empath do recognise the impact on TW. I also met Maria in a pub and bought her a drink for anyone about to flame me.

BarrackerBarmer · 14/04/2018 20:14

I think of myself as empathetic but my empathy ran out for a man who serially stalks women, threatens violence, plans violence, commits violence, crows about his violent acts and shows zero remorse.

I actively want such men criminalised and my empathy is reserved for any women he targets for his hatred next.

I don't think he will suffer consequences for this crime he committed. I think he has win a band of women-hating supporters who will celebrate his 'victory' with him.

Trousersdontmakemeaman · 14/04/2018 20:15

Crisp, we get a lot of hit and runners. You are still here. I am Mouth by the way, had to change email address as a new solid state hard drive meant I lost some passwords.

Boundaries. I was asking you if you felt we had any respect for your POV or not. I realise you may not want to feel coerced into answering this. Coercion is something is unacceptable to me. Me asking you directly if you felt we were willing to talk could seem coercive and passive aggressive.

Trousersdontmakemeaman · 14/04/2018 20:18

BB I know. I'm a ludicrous libran. That's what I get for believing in myths. and the fact at least 7% of the planet's population is sociopathic is fucking terrifying.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 14/04/2018 20:30

I really do think a whole lot of this is attributable to the sorry state of mh services in this country.

Popchyk · 14/04/2018 20:53

I certainly think that's part of it, Tallulah.

I think a lot of people who are used for the dirty end of transactivism are quite vulnerable themselves. History of mental health problems, never had a paying job, not in education, no home, no family support. From a quick scan of social media these last couple of months, I've noted that certainly some of them say that they have autism. Which I am not disputing.

Also if you truly believe that you can become the other sex (and thus escape all the negative stuff in your life as you might see it) then you are susceptible to being manipulated by people who have their own agenda but don't want to risk prison themselves.

And you can see how people can become enraged when their belief that they can become another sex is challenged, because they've pinned absolutely everything on that belief.

PosyFossilsShoes · 14/04/2018 20:55

I don't think it's an enormous coincidence that the Tories who want to sell the NHS also want to replace access to necessary mental health services and physical surgeries with an online form. That they're being applauded by supposed lefties is astonishing.

PencilsInSpace · 14/04/2018 20:56

crispbuttyfan - I have seen Maria approach the group to film them

People were filming from both sides, bystanders were also filming. If you're with a crowd of people shouting slogans and waving placards at Speakers Corner there must surely be a reasonable expectation that someone might take a photo or video. I can't think of a more public venue, can you?

Maybe they should have gone there at 3.30 on a Tuesday morning if they wanted to shout and wave placards in relative privacy.

Maria did nothing wrong.

I have also seen her behaviour on a trans group page earlier in the day.

I saw that too. Maria screenshotted the conversations (or 'behaviour' as you term it) here.

Maria did nothing wrong.

The judge didn't simply refuse compensation because of the pronouns, he also said "However, Judge Grant refused to grant Ms Maclachlan any compensation, saying: "Compensation would not be appropriate, particularly due to the unhelpful way in which the victim was present [at the protest] and the way she was filming.

We've already talked about the filming and the fact this wasn't a protest. This leaves us with:

'particularly due to the unhelpful way in which the victim was present'

Are you honestly OK with this as a statement about any assault victim?

I believe being present when the assault happens is a common factor for all assault victims. How unhelpful are they? How convenient for assailants that they can count the unhelpful presence of their victim as a mitigating factor!

Maria did nothing wrong.

"She was asked at different stages not to film but continued to do so."

Maria has stated Not one of them asked me not to film or raised any objection whatsoever to the fact that I was doing so.

I believe her because I was there. I saw lots of people from both sides filming as well as 'innocent bystanders'. Who do you suppose filmed ?

Maria did nothing wrong.

If you disagree, please spell out exactly what you think she did wrong and why it was wrong.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 14/04/2018 21:54

TallulahWaitingInTheRain
I really do think a whole lot of this is attributable to the sorry state of mh services in this country.

Yes!

lunamoth581 · 14/04/2018 22:10

What PencilsInSpace said.

Maria did nothing wrong, and I am very not okay with the statement that a victim of assault being "unhelpful" is some kind of mitigating factor.

thebewilderness · 14/04/2018 22:22

This is the other frightening aspect to me: The judge didn't simply refuse compensation because of the pronouns, he also said "However, Judge Grant refused to grant Ms Maclachlan any compensation, saying: "Compensation would not be appropriate, particularly due to the unhelpful way in which the victim was present [at the protest] and the way she was filming.

The female victim of an assault by three males is being told they asked for it by a sitting judge. This is a level of bias I assume he brings to all his decisions regarding male violence.

SunsetBeetch · 14/04/2018 22:43

You can add your name to Bella Bailey's letter; email her or send her a DM on twitter

CATT group is writing to the Judicial Conduct Investigations Office asking if it is now law that female victims of male violence must perjure themselves by calling the defendant "she" if he turns up wearing lippy. To add your name (privately) to our letter DM @cattdeskatgmail

twitter.com/cattdeskatgmail/status/985245094067523585?s=19