Ham pr disasters 46! …NATO nuisance and surprise appearances abound!

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the Discussion continues! , we are still interested and still not bored 😁

I assume that’s the circumstances in which QEII said (reportedly), ‘then I suppose I’ll have to say yes’ or something along those lines?

I’m still surprised that the powerful institution couldn’t scare off such a low-bit chancer, though. My gran could have done better than that in between a hair appointment and the butcher’s shop.

Her tiktok nickname was carparkle at one point she was doing it so often

Well. I have heard gossip that she named her price.
It was very high...
Maybe just rumour 🤔?

....which had to be decided by Parliament!
Talk about self absorbed.

On the question of taking his time/having a long engagement, M could point out that time wasn't on their side - H wanted children and M was getting into her late 30s.

Speculating that another poster said v. Low said m didn't want a long engagement. If the queen was aware of Harry's tantrum following W warning to slow down I'm guessing she felt she didn't have much of an option.

You would think they could see some chancer off. It depends on the family member and if they are even listening especially as he's such a petulant individual. She worked at speed I think v.low or Tom Bradbury (?) Mentioned the speed at which she escalated the relationship.

One of the key red flags in abusive relationships is the speed at which they develop.

Yeah, you probably haven't missed anything!

I sometimes fall asleep listening to documentaries on Princess Anne.

If HM thought M was pregnant there’d have been no formal engagement, formal interview, formal announcement, six month engagement and royal chapel wedding. It would have been ‘crack on asap’ and we’ll pay for a decent but discreet day.

That's performative though. I doubt he gives a tuppenny damn about them. He hardly knows them and is vicious about their parents. More hypocrisy dressed as 'look how caring I am'.

https://www.chelmsfordtheatre.co.uk/events/by-royal-appointment

There is a stage play touring at the moment about The Queen and Angela Kelly. I’m going to see it later this month.

I mean in Spare, he pretty much did, did he not?

I like according to Taz and Lost Beyond Pluto, the latter is a very smart Australian lawyer who has also served in the military, you should seek her out!

I watch Palace Confidential; it's the Daily Mail's Royal show, and seems to stick to the same editorial guidelines as the newspaper (i.e. stricter than general YouTube channels).
They are clear in their discussion about what is fact and what is speculation. I also like that they give a decent amount of time to the work that the Duchess of Edinburgh does.
It's the only one I watch regularly.

I watched the first couple of episodes of Royals Uncensored when Jo Elvin moved from Palace Confidential to host it, because I thought she was a good host.
It's a different set-up, with guests, but also I think a difference in editorial guidelines - it seemed more sensationalised to me, with content that I don't think would have been allowed in PC, and I stopped watching half way through.

Tom Sykes - I've watched a single 10 minute update video once. It was OK. I got his free Substack emails for about 6 months to see what he said but stopped when they were flooding my inbox and he suggested that RAVEC had some say in IPP status.

Robert Jobson I've seen commenting a couple of times on the Telegraph's Daily T royal podcast - I've just signed up to his emails to see what he says.

Mark Dolan I haven't seen.

Kinsey Schofield I've watched a couple with Scott Rouse (Behaviour Panel guy) - but mainly because I was watching him. She waffles.

I did watch Shauna (Vintage Read) a few times a while ago - before she started hosting Lownie regularly. She was fine then, but I don't know what she is like now.
She was being very supportive of Charles Spencer (and virulently anti KCIII) on Twitter just after Swan Song was published. I asked a few questions and pointed out a couple of facts and managed to get myself blocked (a first anywhere!).

The Birmingham school had permission from parents too, but unless there is a detailed explanation of what is going to happen, the permission has little meaning.

My nephew and his girlfriend have recently returned from 18 months in Melbourne as resident doctors so I feel an affection for Melbourne despite having been there 😊

Not those owls again. There must be a better way.

It was very caring that the hamlets meanwhile were moved to two new schools in a fortnight and that very hands on dad who supported them by going back across the Atlantic to do half a talk and fall out of a plane. Glass houses, Harry!

Exactly, MrsDanvers. They spin it as having to leave, whereas IMO Meghan always intended to, and the many dramas were manufactured to

And by 'what was always obvious', @IdaGlossop, I meant Meghan being a venal, manipulative, two bit grifter. For me at least the fakery shone out of every pore, but it's not something anyone wanted to hear at the time

Always the 🦉
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My hectic circular includes an evening patronising the arts (I'm watching Strictly and judging the judging)

My thoughts drifted....consider for a moment Meghan on Strictly? While highly unlikely can you imagine the carnage

I thought you must mean that @Puzzledandpissedoff. Sadly, I did not spot it and feel foolish for not having done so. Shortly after the wedding, which I watched with my single brain cell, I thought: 'Such love. Such tenderness.' Then I heard mutterings about all her guests being celebs and only her mum a relation, and shrugged in puzzlement, my single brain cell asserting itself again.

I think I've mentioned this before, @IdaGlossop, but there's nothing to feel silly about in changing your mind and being honest enough to say so; better, surely, than sticking to a position no matter how untenable it gets

And I pressed enter too soon on my last post ... what I meant to suggest was that, rather than being forced to leave, they invented various dramas to "justify" what Meghan intended to do all along

I have always wondered HMTLQ couldn’t get M or 007 to dig up dirt on MM. Assume there is some. Wonder if they have secret files.

The Queen gave Margaret her blessing and once Margaret was 25 she didn’t need The Queens permission.
What she did need was permission from the government who would not countenance Margaret marrying a divorced man AND retaining her title, her allowance from the civil list and her position in theLOS and the positions of future children .
Margaret had been apart from Townsend for nearly two years by this point and wasn’t quite in love enough with this older, divorced man anymore to warrant giving up her HRH and being a Princess.
To be blunt, She loved her HRH and title more than she loved him.
In her statement when she announced she wouldn’t be marrying him she said how she was “mindful of the churches teachings” - she wasn’t mindful when she was in the middle of her passionate affair with him.

You have mentioned this before @puzzledandpissedoff and I appreciate it.

Of course they weren't forced to leave. QEII had handed them the first and second most senior roles in her beloved Queen's Commonwealth Trust, the creation she saw as the biggest achievement of her reign. That wasn't a good decision because under different circumstances, M would have enticed H to join her in creating a hostile discourse against it being an exemplar of white-privileged post-colonialism (and she would have had a point).

The pie Harry had looks like it was produced. I’d have sent it back.