Ham pr disasters 46! …NATO nuisance and surprise appearances abound!

[jeffgoldblum]

the Discussion continues! , we are still interested and still not bored 😁

@puzzledandpissedoff you are right, I am being impractical. The Queen opted for a quiet life in the short term, even though brother William, Uncle Charles, Tom Inskip and others had urged restraint.

What do you mean when you say 'what was always obvious'?

Having said that, why isn't anyone questioning that she is being controlling and potentially abusive towards Harry?

Have thought that right from the beginning. Thousands of miles from friends, family, former army colleagues and any support network.

The other thing I noticed early on is the hand on the back. That's a gesture I've seen PMs use to visiting dignitaries to guide them into No 10 once pics are done - 'here, I know you're a stranger and not familiar with where you are, perhaps a bit unsure which way to go, let me guide you.'

Dominance move, in other words.

Great name 😂😂😂😂😂

Exactly.

The Succession to the Crown Act 2013 repealed the Royal Marriages Act 1772.

It says that the first 6 people in line to the throne require the consent of the monarch to marry; the marriage must be recorded in certain places; and if the consent is not obtained that person and the person's descendants are disqualified from succession.

Harry was 6th in line at the time of his marriage.

A lot of people did. Then many of them started to realise that H is possibly worse than she is. He’s not that innocent - he seems to have a cruel streak in him.

From discussion just on this thread it’s clear that some posters think he potentially has psychopathic traits.

And yet he worries about the Wales DC !!

It's been mentioned, and discussed, a few times during these threads. It's certainly possible that there is or was an element of that behaviour.

I think what tends to move people away from the subject is Harry's own behaviour - in Spare, interviews, court cases and statements. It has been unpleasant and vindictive.
For me, it's important to be careful not to blame Meghan for Harry's behaviour, which can be a feature in some other corners of the internet.

Maybe because she couldn't allow Princess Margaret to marry the man she loved, but not more than the royal title, etc, she didn't want to stop another marriage. I know fundamentally it was Princess Margaret's choice, but I'm sure there would have been a way.

The way was to come out of the LoS which Margaret wouldn't countenance.

I think what tends to move people away from the subject is Harry's own behaviour - in Spare, interviews, court cases and statements. It has been unpleasant and vindictive.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's what drove all their celeb mates away : thinking 'blimey, if he's that harsh about his family what's he likely to be saying about us??'

It hides his friar tuck.

That's not quite true I don't think. The next six in line have to ask permission. I suspect it's to keep things as royal as they can. I'll stick with that.

I live in the UK but I wrote to the hospital PR too, having worked in PR and been a trustee at a children's hospital. The assembling of the children showed a shocking disregard for their comfort. Harry's visit to a school in Birmingham for Invictus a couple of weeks ago exhibited similar features - PR for royal-adjacent people taking precedence over the wellbeing of children. The negative press the two of them have received since returning to the UK should stand as a warning to other organisations considering events involving them.

Apologies. New to these threads.

Without courtiers to protect him, Harry's true nature has been on display for us all to see. Ironic given the trashing they are given in Spare.

This is what cracks me up!

She's now a Duchess who had a wedding watched by a billion people, who had lucrative media deals and used to have people bowing to her and calling her Your Royal Highness. Yet now she's doing the same lame 'look at me' tactics you'd associate with some wannabe circa 2017. She really has come full circle.

Of course he doesn’t. That was just yet more spite directed at W & C.

I'm never going to be able to keep up with you people. It's 1.45am here in Australia and I need to go to bed. But just quickly, do any of you watch the following royal shows/reporters on youtube? I'll refrain from providing my opinions, I'd prefer to hear yours?

Tom Sykes
Mark Dolan
Kinsey Schofield
Palace Confidential
Royals Uncensored
Robert Jobson

Nigh night X

Was this conversation with the Queen before or after William had cautioned him "to take his time to get to know this girl"

Timeline wise I'm not sure but seeing as he wanted to propose I'm guessing after? As Williams comment I recall that H started the tantrums but not what H actually said, it was definitely the start of them going their separate ways.

Speculation I know, guess H may well have told M of what W had said, and if she manipulated H to begin to see W as being against him. Classic behaviour I've seen in many coercive relationships.

If indeed the Queen did make this comment after Williams comment it would explain her response.

Do you remember all the frothing on here from Sussex Squaddies about how awful it was that they had "deliberately" picked Archie's birthday for the Coronation. That it was a slight against him and they should have picked a different date for hundreds of World leaders and dignitaries to work around.

I think Meghan told Harry she was pregnant, the oldest trick in the book, to force him to propose. She needed to get that ring on her finger quickly before he had second thoughts. Iirc hadn’t he broken things off with her before ? Then she turned up at a wedding she hadn’t been invited to and mad another attempt which was successful.

I had mine a couple of years ago as I am in the high risk category. The next one I am expecting is shingles.

I am lucky that my GP is very pro-active on preventative care.

Personally no, I never read or watch any of these 'royal experts'. I don't feel I've missed out on anything thus far!

Speculation I know, guess H may well have told M of what W had said, and if she manipulated H to begin to see W as being against him. Classic behaviour I've seen in many coercive relationships.

If the plan as (I think it was V Low said) was always to leave the RF then a long engagement wouldn't serve, because she'd be doing all this learning about the RF that she wasn't going to need and wasting time when they could be setting up their separate life. And a long engagement would give the RF to get better acquainted with her and start asking questions about her family.

Thank you, so much! It was terrible. I was told every child there had permission from their parents. That doesn't mean much, when your kid can barely make it down to the food court, that's a treat in itself. HAM were in the foyer next to the food court with people wandering past, no masks, entrance clogged with HAMs staffers. When we saw one of our doctors the following week he was furious about it but he'd had no say in the matter.

Agreed, you'd think any serious charity org would think twice about what positive impact HAM could possibly have given their past behaviour. Grrrrrrrr.