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PR disasters thread 31

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BigWillyLittleTodger · 25/08/2026 22:13

Have the eagles landed yet? Another thread to discuss yet more Sussex shenanigans!

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DaisyDooley · 28/08/2026 11:34

AuntieBiotics · 28/08/2026 10:06

According to google, Diana was worth £21m when she died. Her estate was put into trust for her sons, so say £10m each plus interest until they were 18/21.

Queen mother is said to have put £19 million into trust for William and Harry, with Harry receiving more than 50% because of William's other future assets.

The Spencers are a hugely wealthy family who have accumulated wealth, property and assets over many centuries. The current Earl is said to be worth about £125 million when all assets taken into account.

£21 million? So £17million divorce settlement, plus jewellry/clothes.
The jewellry/clothes will be in storage. 40% death duties takes away over £8 million.
So, as I said £10 million split between 2 of them.
Who ‘said’ the Queen Mother put £19 million into trust for JUST William and Harry? Where did she get £19 million from?? The late Queen used to have to pay off her mother’s 6 figure overdraft at Coutts every year -her entertaining and clothes bill.
The Spencer’s may be ‘hugely wealthy’ but it’s all tied up in land and property plus house contents.
Any ‘liquid funds’ are used for paying day to day living costs, the huge maintenance costs on the house, staff, and IHT planning.
He is without doubt wealthy but with his various ex wives and many children he won’t have any ‘spare’ cash to be giving to Harry!

GoodnessGraciousMeh · 28/08/2026 11:35

If it's the school we have all worked out, there is a new Head starting next month . He''s going to have a lot on his plate.

Odeline · 28/08/2026 11:40

Starryfifty · 28/08/2026 09:20

That's so very sad. H really blew it up but as he said, he doesn't regret it

I think with MM fading out of the picture and PH alone in the UK his relationship in private with PW may well resolve - over the next decade - PA and PL are similar ages and their paths might cross - might even end up at the same boarding school - that’s possibly PHs goal?

I suspect that the ‘humiliated and sidelined’ MM (as she described herself after the 45min meeting with KC3) has read the room hence not coming (only settling her DCs in) - but she will continue to milk $$$$ and weaponise those DCs forever. She’s probably already got the message that PH isn’t even going to pull it off for her now (ranting, raving loon at judiciary, monarchy, government, police etc) as he is persona non grata but the DCs are her last chance / last roll of the dice - but I suspect she will squander this one as well - I think she has already by stating she won’t be around as a mother - no one will but her Mother Earth / Trad Wife shtick.

rocklivia · 28/08/2026 11:41

GoodnessGraciousMeh · 28/08/2026 11:35

If it's the school we have all worked out, there is a new Head starting next month . He''s going to have a lot on his plate.

Probably the reason the last one resigned . 😂

rocklivia · 28/08/2026 11:42

DandyAF · 28/08/2026 11:31

That's up to MNHQ essentially.

Personally as I said before, I don't feel it's morally right to do so. Or legally, as the children have a right to privacy and their parents haven't publicly disclosed the school, in fact they have requested privacy around that.

How do people know then?

Baital · 28/08/2026 11:43

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · 28/08/2026 10:44

It was said to be a 4 million pound overdraft and that the late Queen had long since stopped trying to reign in her mums spending.

From what I read she set up trust funds for her great grand children in the 1990s, and then carried on spending anyway.

notimagain · 28/08/2026 11:45

So security for the home and for Harry and for Meghan when she swans off to London on a shopping trip.

I think if you look at what's in the public domain on how the various Royals, vaguely royals and attached family members have been protected (or not) over the years giving M tax payer funded protection when off on her own anywhere would be a major change from what has gone before.

Starryfifty · 28/08/2026 11:46

HAM's worst nightmare is irrelevance and obscurity. They will do anything to remain in the spotlight and unfortunately that means merching the kids

rocklivia · 28/08/2026 11:46

DandyAF · 28/08/2026 11:31

That's up to MNHQ essentially.

Personally as I said before, I don't feel it's morally right to do so. Or legally, as the children have a right to privacy and their parents haven't publicly disclosed the school, in fact they have requested privacy around that.

That's an interesting point as Harry has discussed publicly the Wales children. While it was not about their school it was about a more serious issue. More of the do as I say but I will say what I want.

Lunde · 28/08/2026 11:55

Odeline · 28/08/2026 07:36

Did Liam McGuire relocate back to the UK earlier this year, supposedly for family reasons but continued to work for H&M? Maybe he was sent ahead to sus it all out and do the legwork on the ground. Maybe they couldn’t trust new handlers not to leak so Liam was the canary down the mine if this has been in the planning for 6 months.

Does the 6 month timeframe fit with anything significant at that time as to why they scoped and made this decision- was it NF showing them the door?

I think Liam was appointed as their UK and European PR in early 2025 and took over the whole thing when Meredith left in December 2025

It was James Holt who "quit" to spend time with his family in London in 2025 - yet still seems to work for them and was pictured on the faux tours this year Jordan? Australia?

It makes you wonder exactly how long they have been planning this move

Viviennemary · 28/08/2026 11:56

How come we can know what school George is going to but Archie and Lilabet's school needs to be a secret. And George is a future King. Archie and Lilibet aren't really even spares.

BillyBites · 28/08/2026 12:00

The need to be visible (albeit on their own terms) and that will be much easier to set up if they have the “proper” bells and whistles security he’s been banging on about for so long. Their marching lifestyle depends on it, I think.
And that pisses me off more than almost anything else; that our taxes are to be used to shore up and promote their money-making enterprises.

Odeline · 28/08/2026 12:01

Lunde · 28/08/2026 11:55

I think Liam was appointed as their UK and European PR in early 2025 and took over the whole thing when Meredith left in December 2025

It was James Holt who "quit" to spend time with his family in London in 2025 - yet still seems to work for them and was pictured on the faux tours this year Jordan? Australia?

It makes you wonder exactly how long they have been planning this move

Yes - thanks - I have got the two guys confused. Not sure what James roll was previously but he might well have been the logistics scout on the ground back in the UK for the last 6 months. Liam obviously has far too much to be doing PR wise on the ground over the last few months to be scoping out houses / schools etc. Quite smart that they said James had left which would have been a good cover for him to continue scoping for H&M on the ground undetected.

Lunde · 28/08/2026 12:05

DaisyDooley · 28/08/2026 09:49

How much money do you think Diana, the 19 yr old third daughter of an unwealthy Earl had?
Someone recently wrote that Harry’s ‘fabulously wealthy uncle’ could pay his legal costs.
Do people not realise that the vast majority of the British Aristocracy are land/property rich and cash poor?
Spencer is worth around £150 million. The vast majority will be in Althrop, the land, the contents of the house.
Death duties are 40% - masses of planning has to be done by families to pay these. Diana’s father had to sell a Titian, and (from memory) a Van Dyke or a Rembrandt in 1976 to pay the duties.
They don’t have oodles of cash. The flat Diana lived in was bought mainly by her mother , who sold it and took back the money after Diana married - after all, nobody ever thought they would get divorced.
Diana had no ‘good’ jewellry when she married.
With daughters one just had to hope they married well.
She hardly had a huge trust fund -she worked as a cleaner for a while in London!

Where do you think this ‘money in her own right’ came from? Who did it come from?

Don't forget that Earl Spencer also owns the freehold of Spencer House - one of the original surviving Georgian mansions in London in St James. Although he leases it for extra income.

Diana got a flat in South Kensington as an 18th birthday present ....

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Odeline · 28/08/2026 12:06

Viviennemary · 28/08/2026 11:56

How come we can know what school George is going to but Archie and Lilabet's school needs to be a secret. And George is a future King. Archie and Lilibet aren't really even spares.

Because they are extra speshul and A&L are ‘amazing’ as the purring narc mother MM’s interview next to a couple who’s own child had taken their own life. People like this see their DCs as an extension of their own exceptional self. Grandiose and delusional to the end.

But I agree it’s just a tactic to set up leak of the school name so he can bleat to RAVEC.

As Tom Sykes said - need to see their PR MO as essentially leaking followed by bleating for their own personal agenda.

DandyAF · 28/08/2026 12:06

rocklivia · 28/08/2026 11:46

That's an interesting point as Harry has discussed publicly the Wales children. While it was not about their school it was about a more serious issue. More of the do as I say but I will say what I want.

I'm sure William being a fabulous and protective father would have taken legal action against Harry should anything Harry have said about the children breach privacy rights; a lot won't. I haven't read Spare but anything he said about the children there will have been closely considered by defamation lawyers.

It's perfectly reasonable, whatever one thinks of HAM, for them to ask for privacy about their children's school at this point. It's in the school's benefit too.

And given how mercurial they are, who knows if the school they've apparently chosen - and we don't know this for a fact - is the school where the children are going to be starting in a few weeks?

HAM may announce when the children start school. They may not. But people will know because other people will say things. The press just may not say so, as they have a code of conduct to comply with.

Someone mentioned Kier Starmer not stating where his children went to school. No, he didn't publicly. But many of us in London know where it was. The press absolutely would have known especially as some of the press's children would have been at the same school.

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · 28/08/2026 12:08

upinaballoon · 28/08/2026 10:57

No-one needs to leak the name of the school. I've worked it out already from what's been said on these threads.

Yes. But like the house that people has been bought/bought by the King for them. No one has the least bit of evidence that it’s true just as they have absolutely no evidence that the children are going to the school being suggested/named here (and I suppose in other places also).

DandyAF · 28/08/2026 12:09

Viviennemary · 28/08/2026 11:56

How come we can know what school George is going to but Archie and Lilabet's school needs to be a secret. And George is a future King. Archie and Lilibet aren't really even spares.

Legally, you've answered your own question Grin

Odeline · 28/08/2026 12:11

Everyone who wanted to know their address in Montechito could find it - did they issue similar demands to US media.

I am sure that anyone with the inside track could also work out what schools they were at in US.

DandyAF · 28/08/2026 12:14

Odeline · 28/08/2026 12:11

Everyone who wanted to know their address in Montechito could find it - did they issue similar demands to US media.

I am sure that anyone with the inside track could also work out what schools they were at in US.

It wasn't a demand to the press, it was a request, going by what they said on Royal Confidential.

Yes, maybe the did issue a similar request to the US media? But it's very different circumstances. There is more media interest in them here.

BillyBites · 28/08/2026 12:19

The DM are reporting that Harry has been given the number of a Police Liaison Officer now they’ve arrived in the UK.
Not sure if that’s a new development or based on his previous trip.
But if it’s new, I’d love to be a fly on the wall in their house right now. 😂

rocklivia · 28/08/2026 12:20

DandyAF · 28/08/2026 12:06

I'm sure William being a fabulous and protective father would have taken legal action against Harry should anything Harry have said about the children breach privacy rights; a lot won't. I haven't read Spare but anything he said about the children there will have been closely considered by defamation lawyers.

It's perfectly reasonable, whatever one thinks of HAM, for them to ask for privacy about their children's school at this point. It's in the school's benefit too.

And given how mercurial they are, who knows if the school they've apparently chosen - and we don't know this for a fact - is the school where the children are going to be starting in a few weeks?

HAM may announce when the children start school. They may not. But people will know because other people will say things. The press just may not say so, as they have a code of conduct to comply with.

Someone mentioned Kier Starmer not stating where his children went to school. No, he didn't publicly. But many of us in London know where it was. The press absolutely would have known especially as some of the press's children would have been at the same school.

It was in an interview around the time of Spare.

Lunde · 28/08/2026 12:24

Treylime · 28/08/2026 10:27

How come The Queen Mother had so much money? Daughter of an Earl i know but she had a lot of siblings.

I suspect her husband, the King, bought a lot of private gifts. Most royal/aristo women of her time had fabulous jewellery collections.

And she took a huge gamle by putting her assets in a family trust - on the basis she would live for 7 years - at the age of 94! But it paid off.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/apr/03/queenmother.monarchy2

The gamble that foiled the taxman

The Queen Mother's longevity has cost the taxpayer millions in lost inheritance tax revenue, it was becoming clear yesterday.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/apr/03/queenmother.monarchy2

FenellaFeldman · 28/08/2026 12:25

DandyAF · 28/08/2026 12:06

I'm sure William being a fabulous and protective father would have taken legal action against Harry should anything Harry have said about the children breach privacy rights; a lot won't. I haven't read Spare but anything he said about the children there will have been closely considered by defamation lawyers.

It's perfectly reasonable, whatever one thinks of HAM, for them to ask for privacy about their children's school at this point. It's in the school's benefit too.

And given how mercurial they are, who knows if the school they've apparently chosen - and we don't know this for a fact - is the school where the children are going to be starting in a few weeks?

HAM may announce when the children start school. They may not. But people will know because other people will say things. The press just may not say so, as they have a code of conduct to comply with.

Someone mentioned Kier Starmer not stating where his children went to school. No, he didn't publicly. But many of us in London know where it was. The press absolutely would have known especially as some of the press's children would have been at the same school.

Of course classmates and teachers know where the Starmer children went to school. The difference is that the Starmers kept their children's lives so private, they didn't create a demand. It shows you what can be achieved.
Spare was not looked at by Royal defamation lawyers. It was a load of nasty, gossipy, unpleasant and unfounded accusations. The RF just decided to leave it rather than tackle every lie and misrepresentation.
In that, they have risen above Harry.

SweatyWarrenBetty · 28/08/2026 12:26

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · 28/08/2026 10:44

It was said to be a 4 million pound overdraft and that the late Queen had long since stopped trying to reign in her mums spending.

The QM was over 100 when she died. All her wealth would have been shared up as inheritance long before she died. She wasn't spending her own money or creating an overdraft that she would pay off.
People don't understand just how wealthy these families are. The King is a billionaire (assets). He just doesn't want to sell the family art collection or silver.

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