Could someone please explain to me - H&M related

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Could someone please explain to me how Harry and Meghan’s return to the UK will work out.
They’re very unpopular with the British public.
Unless Doria moves over to the UK, Meghan has no family support.
Harry has burned so many bridges with his family.
His friends, those that are remaining, will have to choose between supporting Harry or supporting William and apparently they have had quite a aristocratic friends in common.
William will be the King so I presume he will be supported by many of those mutual friends.
Will the first cousins, George, Charlotte, Louis, Archie and Lilibet ever meet up ?
Apart from probably funerals.
Not my monkey not my circus I know, but it is a mess.

You think Catherine and Charles got cancer from being accused of being racist?

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I think she means the general stress around dealing with the fall out from the Megixt. And the many things that the RF were accused of.

Megixt was a kneejerk reaction to getting told no you can't have a 50/50 but we'll discuss later when Granny gets back from Sandringham.

I think they thought, we'll show them, and off they went. Poof!

They got a shock when they were frozen out completely, candle and feathers 🪶.

I almost think the return could also be a bit of a kneejerk to something his Dad has said when they were here, but I'm certain visa is niggling in Hs head too.

Absolutely re Oprah, she literally allowed that shameless bag of lies and nastiness to be aired to the world under the guise of ‘their truth’ …
bullshit, it’s their utter treachery and lies! Oprah should be utterly ashamed of herself that she was used in such a manner, but I guess many have been used like that

It's shocking to weaponise racism like that.

That's a stretch. I'm not saying that.

That's all I'm saying. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if the whole incident had a serious effect on particularly Catherine's health in various ways - not necessarily cancer. She certainly looked very drawn and tired in the period following it.

And because at first they coyly refused to name the 'royal racists', shade fell on all the RF (except, of course, the Queen, whom H knew he couldn't risk making an enemy of).

So, until the revelations in OS's book in The Netherlands, they all came under suspicion. Horrible. Again, it shows H's total lack of empathy and emotional intelligence that he didn't realise, or claimed not to realise, what a nuclear bomb this was for the RF, and what damage and hurt it would cause.

M might have been malicious and scheming but Harry's stupidity amounts to the same level of culpability.

Their unfeeling, underhand, calculated lies about the RF makes me feel sick

I don't think so either, but chronic stress can negatively affect someone's immune system which can in turn affect a body's ability to deal successfully with pre-cancerous cells. People in a state of chronic stress become vulnerable to diseases of the immune system.

Yes he does desperately want to be back as a working Royal, so does Meghan, and they want their kids to be too. But it’s not out of any loyalty to his family or to the country.

However, it’s not only his dad who he has to make amends with, the British public overwhelmingly cannot stand him anymore, He called us racists, said he doesn’t like living in the UK, has publicly insulted the British judiciary, wants to screw the British taxpayer to pay for his excesses.

I don’t think he will ever be accepted by the majority of the British public and it will be a very bad look for King Charles, who is riding a wave of popularity now, it will certainly impact Charles approval if Harry et famille are seen to be being supported by the British Monarchy.

Do you really think Meg wants back in?
I really can't imagine her wanting to shake hands with randoms on hospital wards or small community projects.

I know, it's so cruel - plus they did it for money!

She has been doing that since she left the RF, Nigeria, Colombia, Australia, it just wasn’t as successful nor did it bring the Royal gold dust doing it under the RF umbrella does. It will be far more lucrative for their commercial plans if they force their way into HI/HO.

I can’t see MM ‘humiliated and sidelined’ by KC3 in private wanting the original HiHo now - she was too cowardly to appear in public last month - but she is clearly happy for a new version of HiHo where PH&her DCs are ‘in’ and she is ‘out’ ….. she’s not going to stay in the UK or be seen in public in the UK….but she’s hoping that PH and her DCs will gather some royal glitter for her to glow off. The Hi for now will just be his presence in the UK, hopefully moving to private and public family events with KC3 and then WRF - that’s what the grandiose and delusional pair plan for - but I expect only the first part will happen, WRF never and public family events with KC3 a promised carrot for years down the line - which never materialises.

I don't think she'll ever be allowed near the RF ever.
While Anns man (sorry forgot his name) gets away with the church walk and other family events. He doesn't appear on the balcony or anything else. And its not really comparable her man has never done anything wrong. He just isn't a working royal

If (big IF) H&M stay together the only event she'll be seen at would be a funeral, under the guise of supporting H.

Haven’t rtft but can anyone really say what racist stuff was said apart from the straight out of Compton thing which was no worse than the doors to manual thing about Catherine’s mother, and the alleged question about the impending baby’s colour? Why was she so depressed? I just remember watching the wedding with a group of friends and all saying how beautiful she looked and that he was punching!

Yet that's exactly what they both made their business in the States.

Nobody asked them to embark on all these pseudo royal tours they kept launching themselves on.

I never understood those fake royal tours very weird. But everything they did was about making money.

I think it’s important to differentiate between the alleged racism in the press coverage and the alleged racism in the R F.

i have always thought it totally unfair that the RF should take any responsibility for the racism of the press.

The main issue was a reported conversation between, I think, Camilla, Charles, Catherine and possibly others, but definitely them, where it was claimed the appearance of Meghan’s first baby (then unborn) was discussed, including skin colour. Harry was part of this conversation and told M about it. At first they were coy about who had been involved but later accidentally/ on purpose Charles and Catherine were named in Omid Scobie’s book.

Thatvwas really all they had to go on. They also claimed that Archie had been denied a title due to racism when it was due to the Letters Patent - a technicality of protocol which had nothing to do with racial discrimination.

And if you're e.g. a company that has just won a King's Award for Industry and you request a royal visit to your premises to publicise the award in the local Advertiser. And they send H along. You're going to think you got the booby prize, and might decise you don't want to be associated with his tainted brand.

Similarly, at State dinners, a diplomat might see being sat next to him as a declaration of hostility on the part of the British government, or at least a personal, individual punishment. (Actually, that might be a fitting use for him, in letting countries know when they're out of favour.)

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It would take a heck of a long time before that happens.
It would be a very slow rehabilitation of image, and doing very minor things before being anywhere near giving out awards.

I disagree.

The tours were partly funded by the Soros Foundation. One of H's first pronouncements after landing in the USA was to declare the First Amendment "bonkers" and he had continued to align himself with initiatives to limit free speech.

I believe Soros and others tried to set H&M up as global figures along the working-royal model in order to push an agenda. But M was even less suited to RF-type work outside the RF than she was within it. While H .... well, that picture of him sat on the children's table while M mixed with the grown-ups showshow well it worked for him.

So I think their political sponsors have found them less and less useful, and here we are.

Two men went to prison for either threatening Harry or plotting against him, on the grounds that he'd married or was going to marry a black woman - SOMETHING like that. I would need to google to check. I would say they met with some racism from a minority of people in this country, if the feeling of the wedding was anything to go by.
This has nothing to do with the RF. I have no idea how threats against H and M compare/d with threats against other members of the RF.

Tbf tho unfortunately those sorts of arsehokes are every where. Just look at the crap Will Mellor gets. It isn't because of who they are per se

So? A man was recently charged with being in possession of a crossbow near the Wales' home in Windsor. There are, unfortunately, lots of incidents and potential problems. This is what RAVEC is for.
Any risk detected, appropriate security is deployed. At taxpayers expense.
I don't know why people believe Harry's fanciful claims about a lack of security. He's not privy to the anti terror squad workings.