To be bored of the trans hate?

[DaisyUpsy]

Ok, there are extremists (like the punch people in the face person), extremists can be found in many areas of life but is anyone else fed up of the trans stuff constantly being dragged up?

I've seen some ridiculous statements on here recently. Everything gets something added related to trans when it's totally irrelevant. It's getting boring. Trans extremists are not the norm so can we stop pretending they are?

Agree, my primary school child is already being brainwashed with trans rubbish. Not appropriate at all for 4/5 year old!

But . . . but . . . surely they just have to listen to what the TW prisoners tell them?

TW don't lie about this sort of thing . . .

And nor do violent predatory males seeking vulnerable victims.

We've been told this time and time again by Stonewall and numerous other TRAs - if a man says he's a woman BELIEVE HIM, because it is ALWAYS true.

So how can there ever be any doubt?

And the younger the children are, the easier it is to corrupt their thinking an reasoning capacities. They believe what they are told.

And that is apart from the fact that discussing sex and gender with young children is inappropriate anyway. Their natural curiosity becomes a prurient interest. One of the signs of child sexual abuse is a precocious and inappropriate interest in anything sexual, often amounting to obsession.

Children can't recognise the differences between things that appear similar. Very young children truly believe that if a man has long hair, for instance, that turns him into a woman. They can't differentiate because they have no life experience and are just formulating concepts. They have nothing to balance their judgements against - this is why it is so important to be clear and truthful.

"Give the child until he is seven, and I will give you the man."

Any other posters wish to post here just how many female prisoners they consider 'acceptable collateral' to be harmed in ANY way, to include males who demand that they should have access to female prisons?

1? 2? 5? 10? 25?

Anyone wish to put a number on their contempt for female prisoners for all other posters to see? No???

So, if you are not fucking keen to show other posters how contemptuous you are about female prisoners, WHY WERE THE SEVEN REPORTED ASSAULTS ACCEPTABLE? This is not a fucking drill!!! Female prisoners WERE RAPED and ASSAULTED before women successfully campaigned to get the change through.

And you are all fucking here telling us we are BORING? and full of HATE?

And some of you call yourselves feminists?

So your issue is the breastfeeding and not the erotic pics ? Why ? I understand it even less . The baby will do what’s natural to them which is latch to the nipple so nothing bad will come from it 🤷🏻‍♀️. This example is just a great example of defending a point versed transphobic behaviour . This being the last

@Cucucucu the rear question is why this is the hill you'll die on. A man who so happens to have a nipple fetish, is going to the extent of taking hormones so he can breastfeed a chord with his nipples.

He is not a woman. He is not a mother producing milk to nourish a child.

He is a male trying to do this for his own selfish reasons, whether sexual or otherwise

WHY would you choose to defend this? Even as a supporter of trans rights, you do realise you don't have defend or agree with every single thing every trans person does, right????

My issue is that the secretions from the breasts of male trans people has not been tested for chemical components and infants have not been tested for potential harm. Nor followed up to discover any issues.

Plus, why are male people with fetishes acceptable to do this? Why would any person make excuses for male people with fetishes to do this, even if not all males who are trans are doing it as part of their fetish?

Is the answer, well the baby won’t know? Yet, what happens when that child finds out when they are old enough to understand fetishes and recognises they have been sexually abused?

you do realise you don't have defend or agree with every single thing every trans person does, right?

It's quite telling. Any cracks at all are not permitted. Everything done in the name of "trans rights" is absolutely fine, even when other people are harmed.

Exactly.

I’m happy to give you my number

0 women should be subjected to male presences in women’s spaces. 0 women should be being raped in women’s spaces.

Ideally, I’d like to get rid of male prison guards in women’s prisons… but one step at a time 😊

My behaviour is transphobic? That label has no impact on me at all. Someone shrugging over men having babies suck their nipples doesn't understand the limits of healthy sexual behaviour.

So calling me transphobic really says more about you than me.

Me too.

Thank you.

No, it isn't.

To all the women on here saying that the UK are getting it right by not housing males with penises in women’s prisons, but simultaneously saying that women going on about these issues are boring, or it’s a non issue… WTF is going on with your cognitive dissonance?

Males with penises are not being housed in women’s prisons BECAUSE feminists went on about it. BECAUSE we showed what a huge issue this is.

I think generally people do choose to defend everything as once they have demonised dissent they can't move out of their position at all.

This is why the insults fly and the rage starts because it's not a comfortable place to be, defending the indefensible.

So your issue is the breastfeeding and not the erotic pics ? Why ? I understand it even less . The baby will do what’s natural to them which is latch to the nipple so nothing bad will come from it 🤷🏻‍♀️. This example is just a great example of defending a point versed transphobic behaviour . This being the last

The baby will use all their energy to feed from a nipple that will not supply them with breast milk. So yes, there is something bad coming from it.

A man will never have a supply of fluid to feed a baby 100%. The mother of the baby might, but the baby is now too tired to drink from the mother. So formula is needed with a bottle that is easy to drink from.
This means the baby is missing out on the benefits of the actual breast milk and the mother's milk will dry up.

Second issue is the drugs used to make a man lactate. These drugs are in rare cases given to women to help with breastfeeding but only to increase supply and only for a very short time, as soon as the supply has started the mothers body will take over the natural process. That natural process that is missing in a man. He will have to take these drugs as long as he is feeding the baby.

Third is the drugs, including the hormones and testosterone blockeds the man uses, will make its way into the fluids and into the baby. There is enough evidence that the drugs used to induce lactation is a risk to infants that it is banned in the US and rarely given elsewhere.

Lastly, this is not for the benefit of the baby. The mother can feed the baby, or formula feed. So this is 100% for the benefit of the man. All we are asking is why does he feel the need to do this.

This is not transphobia. We don't accept men breastfeeding, just as much as we don't accept transgender male people breastfeeding. It is basically sexism, not transphobia.

I was clueless when I joined MN 7 or 8 months ago, and having since seen at least weekly if not daily debates on trans rights versus* women’s rights, have been persuaded by the factual, reasonable arguments of gender critical feminists. If trans rights activists/supporters have good arguments for their position, they have not so far managed to articulate them here on MN, nor anywhere else.

There is no such thing as "the Trans topic".

That is a problem for the male estate to address.

I don’t think any pother of father feeding their babies ha anything to do with sexual behaviour . If they see themselves as a woman then breastfeeding won’t feel like anything sexual . You are the one claiming it not this person .

If they see themselves as a woman then breastfeeding won’t feel like anything sexual

What does "see themselves as women" even mean, and how do you know for certain how the act feels to them?

The man in question is quite blatant about their nipple fetish.

Women don't even drink coffee when breastfeeding in case it affects the babies but it seems all a man has to do is say 'I'm a lady' and everyone round them loses their fucking minds and ceases to care one iota about the drug cocktail that a baby may ingest.

All to not upset the man.

It blows my mind every time.

www.them.us/story/trans-women-breastfeed

This is an illuminating read and shows insight into the motivations for these male people who seek to do this.

Here is another example.

The article has been deleted by Daily Mail. But please plug the link into archive (dot) is or ph and it should work.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10859287/Transgender-paramedic-breastfed-newborn-baby-know-like-mum.html

This is a medically trained male paramedic who did this by the way.

There have been numerous threads about this in the past and never once have we been offerred any benefit for the infant in all this. Not once.

This is the article that has caused two Australian women to receive letters stating they have broken the law.

https://reduxx.info/two-australian-women-told-they-broke-the-law-after-criticizing-trans-identified-male-breastfeeding-child/

Quite a few issues in that original article about Buckley.

Here is a few statements:

''To know I could breastfeed my own child and have that experience, I wanted to be a part of that. I wanted to know what it was like to be a mum and breastfeed."

and

'I will never know what's it like to menstruate or carry a baby or give birth,' Ms Buckley said.

'But to be told I could have the opportunity to breastfeed, it was something that was nice to be able to experience as a trans woman.'

and

'The first time it came out I just started leaking,' Ms Buckley said. 'Then I pumped and it was a weird feeling having a suction cap suck out milk, but it was exciting.

'I thought, "Oh my God, I am actually producing human milk".'

and

'Apart from the milk he was getting from me he was essentially starving,' Ms Buckley said of the couple's hungry son

'I genuinely believe had I not brought my breast milk into the hospital he could have become very sick with liver and kidney issues from lack of nutrition.'

and

'It was sad. It was frustrating, but as brief as it was, I did get to experience it. I would have preferred to do it a lot longer. But Auden's wellbeing was paramount.'

I am really looking forward to posters telling us just what about this interview is not pointing out that this all about the male. What part of these statements above are about the child.

Even when HCP's pointed out that the baby was starving, it was all about that adult male.

Why was the hospital letting an infant ‘starve’? Or did this couple refuse formula and manufacture the need for this male to then ‘rescue’ the newborn by feeding their son? It should be noted the medical team for the baby thought this was not an advisable option. This male did it anyway!

And those posters who support this male feeding secretions to that infant can also then point out just how that male feeding the newborn whatever the substance was they were producing was, how are they providing the newborn nutrition if the composition is unknown?

I doubt we will get any answers though.

That this endrocrinologist has spoken at AusPATH about this, and has 'assisted' FIVE other males to do this, I suspect each state in Australia will have some males to have done this already and quite a few more will be aiming for it.

The usual 'only one / two/ a few' rhetoric would be misinformed.

see below:

Dr Naomi Achong, a former president of Australian Professional Association for Trans Health (AusPATH), is the Brisbane endocrinologist who recommended Ms Buckley breastfeed Auden.

It is understood she has helped five other transgender women breastfeed.

Dr Achong spoke on the topic of 'lactation induction in transfemales' at a AusPATH conference last weekend and her talk was one of the most booked events.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2161151-transgender-woman-is-first-to-be-able-to-breastfeed-her-baby/?utm_source=rakuten&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=2116208:Skimlinks.com&utm_content=10&ranMID=47192&ranEAID=TnL5HPStwNw&ranSiteID=TnL5HPStwNw-uOWyW0a0EHFcOxL5MmCf5Q&utm_source=rakuten&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=2116208:Skimlinks.com&utm_content=10&ranMID=47192&ranEAID=TnL5HPStwNw&ranSiteID=TnL5HPStwNw-eFdm05QNJngWSRNMPW32yA#ixzz6f2Pil0Ik

“However, the woman’s breastmilk has not been assessed yet, so we don’t know if it has the same mix of components as in milk from new gestational mothers. This means the practice cannot yet be recommended, says Madeline Deutsch at the University of California, San Francisco. She says she can see the potential benefits of breastfeeding, but that the long-term impact of this milk on the baby – including on subtle measures like IQ – is unknown.”

“Deutsch herself is a transgender woman with a six-month-old baby who is currently being breastfed by Deutsch’s wife, who was the gestational mother. “I am very sad not to be able to breastfeed her and at the same time I did not consider doing this for the above reasons,” she says.”

This was February 2018. I have not seen anything to prove that any in-depth studies have been released since to counter this expert's opinion. And there has been plenty of other threads since this that where these studies would have been posted by activist posters.

So, there we have it. A transitioned male, Associate Professor, Family Community Medicine, is telling the world that this is not advisable until further research.

This comes from that link too:

“After three months of treatment, this increased to 227 grams of breast milk per day. Once the baby was born, she was able to exclusively breastfeed the infant for six weeks – during which time a paediatrician confirmed the baby was growing and developing normally and healthily.”

“Although significant, this is below the average of around 500 grams that a baby consumes by the time the it is 5 days old. After six weeks, the woman supplemented her breastfeeding with formula.”

Just* *for clarity, the baby was fed exclusively for six weeks from the secretions from the male. And therefore was being undernourished, because this male insisted on doing this.... this was NOT in the interest of the infant at all.

The male who fed exclusively for 6 weeks started with 0.205 ng/ml. That was with the suppression drug that was not noted to change in dose throughout this period. And that suppression is known to be unreliable so the level of testosterone may have fluctuated during the feeding time.

No testing of testosterone was done on this substance being fed to the infant from what I can see either. In fact, there was NO testing noted on that substance in the study!

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779241/

What was the sex of the infant? What was the effect on that infant? What is the future effect on that infant?

Are posters so determined to be 'inclusive' that they simply wish to gloss over these issues?

Who the fuck benefits from allowing a male with untested secretions feed an infant those secretions?

The infant? Please tell us all how the infant is benefited?