To be bored of the trans hate?

[DaisyUpsy]

Ok, there are extremists (like the punch people in the face person), extremists can be found in many areas of life but is anyone else fed up of the trans stuff constantly being dragged up?

I've seen some ridiculous statements on here recently. Everything gets something added related to trans when it's totally irrelevant. It's getting boring. Trans extremists are not the norm so can we stop pretending they are?

I'm sure that's what you want to think. You obviously have to sanitise it to feel morally superior.

You are not unusual, in fact you are exactly who the Beaumont society for cross dressing men decided to target to get social acceptance for their paraphilia.

Woolly minded liberals. You will go along with almost anything to feel morally superior.

*Even when HCP's pointed out that the baby was starving, it was all about that adult male.
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I can't believe that. This person didn't even think to mix it because it undermines the motherhood experience or what? Better to have a newborn starve than realise you're not a woman

https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/16/2/244/649618?login=false

I found a study that looked at the hormone levels in women breastfeeding. A breastfeeding women without PCOS has the following testosterone levels at 4 weeks and 8 weeks of breastfeeding :

Ng/ml
4th wk 0.13
8th wk 0.11

A woman with PCOS (ng/ml)
4th week 0.21
8th week 0.26

The male who fed exclusively for 6 weeks started with 0.205 ng/ml or that could have been 2.56 ng/mol because the data is contradictory. That was with the suppression drug that was not noted to change in dose throughout this period. And that suppression is known to be unreliable so the level of testosterone may have fluctuated during the feeding time.

Here is a doctor's view on this study and male feeding.

https://lascapigliata.com/2018/03/26/analysis-of-study-of-induced-lactation-in-trans-identified-man/

"On presentation, the patient was on a gender-affirming regimen that included spironolactone (a heart medication used in this case as an androgen blocker), estradiol, micronised progesterone and “occasional” clonazepam and zolpidem for panic disorder and insomnia."

"At initial appointment, the patient had gynaecomastia (abnormally enlarged breasts in a man, Tanner stage V) that was likely a side effect of spironolactone and cross-sex hormones he was taking."

"Interestingly, it’s unclear what was the patient’s serum testosterone level, because two markedly different results were given, one in the body of text – 256 ng/dL – and another in the results table 1. – 20.52 ng/dL."

"This is problematic not only because it constitutes a glaring inconsistency within the report, but also because the higher result indicates that the patient had male testosterone levels. Considering that the study reported no further testosterone data, indicating that they didn’t measure his testosterone level at any other point in the study, and that 75% of trans-identified men on spironolactone fail to reach testosterone level in the female range, and those who augment the treatment with estradiol have variable response, there is no reliable evidence that adequate androgen blockade was achieved, even though authors claimed that androgen blockade was an important part of the regimen."

And it goes on.....

Well worth a read

Cucucucu - Men cannot breastfeed. Fact. Only women can breastfeed. Fact.

I don’t need to feel superior to anyone . I need to feel I’m fair to everyone . I do not go around calling people pedophiles because I don’t like something they do .

You aren't fair to everyone. You do go around calling people transphobic because you don't like something they said.

Because you have superior judgement. In your opinion.

Fucking weirdos.

Agree

Genuinely trans? What be that then?

Cow Achievement apparently

https://www.tiktok.com/@nominal.naomi/video/7235719967327456558

Yet, we are being told by posters that this is all child centred and is just for the infant.

There are plenty of more examples out there.

Including the one from a male feeding from their nipple about the 'electric' nipple sensation with an infant latching and how mother's must spend their days in an erotic fantasy while breast feeding.

I mean, maybe check before making confident assertions that this is all to do with the infants...

I too would like to get rid of male guards.

Particularly when a male guard who declares they are a woman may get to intimately search a female prisoner and that prisoner has no choices. Nothing.

But.... apparently NO HARM is being done by ANY MALE who declares themselves as a woman..... says people who call themselves feminists!

I can't understand why the baby was not just taken by hospital staff/HCPs and fed from a bottle.

Had a woman persistently starved her newborn like this, when alternative nutrition was available, her infant would have been taken from her.

That poor baby - it doesn't;t bear thinking about. When breastfeeding, a woman's body takes all the nutrients it needs to make milk - and not just any milk - the fat/ protein/ etc levels alter as the infant grows to suit the changing demands of the baby's body . (And interestingly mothers produce different constituency milk for male and female infants. Nature - that's MOTHER Nature - really is remarkable).

Whatever muck is being secreted by this man for this poor infant, it is NOT milk, nor anything like milk. Early nutrient deficiencies are known to affect not just growth rates but IQ levels. To what degree thesis children are being damaged probably won't be known for a long time.

If anyone doing research into paediatric nutrition had deliberately tried to set up an experimental programme along these lines, it would never have got past the ethics committee - and quite rightly.

Here is the transcript for all of you who are reading along.

Just so that you know what was said and how rather blatant this dishonest 'take' is from OneTC

"...and men? for once, I'm talking to you. I'm talking about you Dads who maybe 'carry' I think that's something that you say? I'm so down with the American lingo! Maybe you carry, maybe you don't. Maybe you consider yourself a protector of women. Maybe you're that sort of man. Maybe you have a daughter, or a Mother, or a wife. Maybe you have a sister. Maybe you just have some friends. Maybe you just think that women are human and you don't need any absolute connection with them to feel compelled to protect us."

"I think you should start using Women's toilets, men. Because you have every right to self identify. Clearly; don't do it and upset women and girls that are already in there, but just make a point of doing it. And maybe make the women feel ok about you doing it. If, you know, if you come out and you frighten someone. But it's about time you started using Women's toilets and saying that you identify as a woman, if stopped. And I think that's how you're gonna have to... that's one of the many ways that you are going to have to combat the insanity of self-ID Even if it's not called self-ID, that's pretty much what you have, now, in the United States. And that's how you men are gonna help."

It is yet another extreme bad faith interpretation that was actually started by the extreme trans activists, let's remember that.

Now, do I agree with her calling for men to use the women's toilets. No. But I can see what she is trying to achieve here.

And it is NOT for man with guns to specifically enter women's toilets.... with their guns!

"Posie wants men to come into women's toilets, bringing guns, to shoot trans people." seems to be a statement from a person who has not even bothered to listen to the video. Or can't comprehend the words spoken.

It is making the point about those men who seek to protect their family members by carrying guns as one way they do that, can choose to simply use the same tactic of ‘self-ID’ to enter the female toilets and not only show society how ridiculous self-ID is, but to go in with their families because now no male can be kept out.

Do I agree that any male over 8 enters a female toilet? No. And her call to action that males do this was not appropriate. But it is important to be honest about what was said in context.

"Maybe you carry, maybe you don't."

Or can people not read the 'maybe you don't'.

Oh dear God......

I did know a nice transwoman, some years ago. Quiet, unassuming. Died suddenly at age 40 from a massive stroke caused by the cross sex hormones taken over a period of a few years.
Devastating for family and friends. Especially the elderly parents. There is no pain and grief worse than the loss of an adult child.
Now, according to TRAs, it is imperative that these drugs are given to children and teenagers. In USA surgeons are cutting the breasts off healthy adolescent girls. We know that girls put on these drugs are going to be menopausal in their early 20s. They will develop osteoporosis, vaginal atrophy. I have osteoporosis and it is the most painful, miserable condition. Vaginal atrophy is pretty grim too and these young women will end up needing hysterectomies, will have constant pain, UTIs.
This is child abuse.
Why the outrage of mothers about this is considered by some to be boring, I just cannot fathom.

Please could you expand on that.

I was attempting to relay what the UK government has said in relation to England, which is where I live As prisons are devolved to Scotland then they may do something different.

Are you saying that what I said is not the asserted policy of UK ministers?

You can't say she didn't invite armed men, in America, a country plagued by mass shootings, because she also said that unarmed men were welcome.

You seem to be focusing on the don't, rather than the maybe.

Someone said there aren't examples of hateful threatening language on both sides of the debate and I showed an example that I am not happy to have on my side of it.

Posie may not be be perfect but I dread to think where we would be without her.

Would you like to point out in the transcript where she ‘invited’ armed men?

I mean, highlight the exact words and give them your interpretation here.

Please be very clear what she said and show the context in the rest of the transcript.

Please also be very clear where "Posie wants men to come into women's toilets, bringing guns, to shoot trans people."

Because you have made a very serious accusation, one that MN will probably delete. That would be rather libelous I would imagine.

Particularly since she cannot post on MN as she is banned.

I think that personalities like her only serve to polarise debates rather than progress them. She's a grifter, they always pepper their shite with truth.

I agree with very much of what she believes in, but, and you're being charitable saying imperfect, she's easy for the TRAs to attack and having allies like that doesn't appeal to the wider more moderate people we actually need to convince

Not very fair to the abused babies with no voice is it?

And your salty shite hardly gets on the plate, never mind the truth!

You know what guns are for right?

YANBU- it’s why I come on here so much less.