To be bored of the trans hate?

[DaisyUpsy]

Ok, there are extremists (like the punch people in the face person), extremists can be found in many areas of life but is anyone else fed up of the trans stuff constantly being dragged up?

I've seen some ridiculous statements on here recently. Everything gets something added related to trans when it's totally irrelevant. It's getting boring. Trans extremists are not the norm so can we stop pretending they are?

Then the onus should be on housing then safely in the make estate, not making it women’s problems all the time.
No man, no matter how he presents himself or sees himself, should be housed with women.
I imagine a hell of a lot of prisoners identify as innocent - allowing identity to trump reality sets a really dangerous precedent.

Women are not responsible for male on male violence.
You need to learn this.

@bobblyjob that was before Self ID. If you not aware of the very obvious issues with that maybe you should check in with your trans friends.

It's not for women or men to solve. It's for the prison authorities.

Incorrect.

60% of the percentage of men who say they are women in jail are there for sexual crimes, against 18% for men who do not say they are women.

So 3 times as likely to commit sexual crimes than men who do not say they are women.

I mean, we talk about the stats all the time. If you aren't sure, you can always pop over to the Feminism Board where you can find out stuff.

Can you be any more derisive with the 'frothing'?

Vulnerable male prisoners are always held in sections for vulnerable males once they have been identified or right from the start.

"I would imagine the risk to a trans woman held in a male prison is significantly higher than to other women if she was held in a female prison."

Your statement is absolutely meaningless. There are other issues other than safety issues to be considered here and female prisoners are not a human shield for male prisoners. This statement only shows your contempt for female prisoners.

And nor are men.

It was happening here until February, when feminists “bored” the shit out everyone enough to get it changed.
Why don’t women in America matter? Why don’t women in Canada matter?

It’s nothing more than state sanctioned rape.

Ummmm yeah they are

But that doesn’t fit the frothing desperation on here
its interesting because I have met a number of trans people in my life and they have all just been getting on living their lives and strangely enough I managed to have a normal
relationship with them, call them their preferred pronouns and chatting to them without giving a shit what genitals they have

Well that's just fabulous for you. Hopefully you'll never have to access a rape crisis centre where a biological male is in the same group as you (validation innit), or be denied a place in a sports team to a biological male with all the advantages over females they possess, or be in a prison and Katie Delatowski (absolute danger to women) waltz's in.

Oh to be in your privileged position. Not enough eye rolls for this.

did you read this before you wrote it?

Men are not responsible for male on male violence????

Who the fuck is then?

America and Canada are not part of the UK and are responsible for their own laws, prisons etc.

I'm in the UK and offer my views from that perspective.

Agreed. MN has a weird obsession with this. What's particularly annoying is people posting their hate outside the Trans topic.

I would imagine the risk to a trans woman held in a male prison is significantly higher than to other women if she was held in a female prison.

That doesn’t mean women have to allow access and accommodate males.

Odd that we hear so much about the Tory ones then. One’s just caused a by election, haven’t you noticed? I didn’t realise sexually assault was part of their ideology - blimey!

We've heard about Labour ones too, and Greens. Look up up Eric Joyce and David Challenor. You might remember Challenor, he dressed up as a little girl and tortured and raped a ten year old. It caused quite some issues in the Green Party.

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/08/07/ex-mp-eric-joyce-given-suspended-sentence-for-making-indecent-image-of-a-child/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/coventry-captive-girl-attic-torture-den-david-challenor-coventry-a8502991.html

Its spectacularly blinkered to imagine that left wing men are less likely to commit crimes than Tories, whatever their political standpoint on violence against women. Also look up Comrade Delta.

Let me try again.

When were women in gaols in the UK raped by a trans woman?

That doesn't mean they were sharing cells or showers.

But they are.

One even took the prison authorities to court because he wanted to shower at the same time as the women. Having to sower separately was against his human rights apparently.

And if they could be held in solitary in the women's estate, then they could be held in solitary in the men's.

So your feminism is limited only to women in the Uk, focusing primarily on the prioritisation of validating males?
Interesting definition

What's particularly annoying is people posting their hate outside the Trans topic.

There isn't a "trans topic" and general topics are free for anyone to post in.

Don’t you dare speak to me like that! I don’t “need to learn” what you believe to be true.

*Shower, not sower

Oh, the irony!

That doesn't mean they were sharing cells or showers.

Female prisoners have movingly recounted the humiliating position they were put in. In this country.

60% of the percentage of men who say they are women in jail are there for sexual crimes, against 18% for men who do not say they are women.

So 3 times as likely to commit sexual crimes than men who do not say they are women.

Did you actually think anyone that for a nanosecond? There are many, many, many more men who identify as men than men who identify as women. 60% of a vanishingly small number is going to be far fewer than 18% of a huge one. Give us the actual numbers and you’ll see how ridiculous it is to link those two statements.

Eh, so you think women ARE responsible for male on male violence?

And women should have to put ourselves at risk to prevent it?

I do hope you don't see yourself as a feminist.