To be bored of the trans hate?

[DaisyUpsy]

Ok, there are extremists (like the punch people in the face person), extremists can be found in many areas of life but is anyone else fed up of the trans stuff constantly being dragged up?

I've seen some ridiculous statements on here recently. Everything gets something added related to trans when it's totally irrelevant. It's getting boring. Trans extremists are not the norm so can we stop pretending they are?

Odd that we hear so much about the Tory ones then. One’s just caused a by election, haven’t you noticed? I didn’t realise sexually assault was part of their ideology - blimey!

Yes, american swimmer.

I agree that trans women in sport, particularly the pro and elite categories, is an issue that the international bodies need to get on top of.

Apart from that has she done anything else?

It’s really not.
It’s just that people who are younger tend to be far more worried about their opinion potentially ending their career, or losing them friends, and are too frightened to speak out.
If they know they are safe to say what they really think, you’ll find they know perfectly well that humans can’t change sex and are worried about the erosion of women’s rights and spaces.

Yep.

Stating biological truths is suddenly "hate speech" and "literal violence". No it isn't. It's just something that they might not want to hear.

Telling children that they can "change sex" and that this will make their lives into unadulterated joy, is cruel. It isn't true and none of us - even the very wealthy, and the very beautiful, and the very celebrated - lives on a cloud of happiness all the time.

Often we all need to hear things we don't like - but insisting that lies are truths isn't good for anyone - not even for the people who claim to believe those lies.

As Bertrand Russel famously said. 'Do not feel envious of the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise, for only a fool will think that it is happiness.'

They can only lie so much, and for so long, even to themselves. And they have no right to demand that others conspire with the to maintain their fantasies.

What about trans women in women’s prisons?

Adding this link for the Messaging Guide : Transgender Youth and the Freedom to Be Ourselves

From December 2021

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/5fd0f29d0d626c5fb471be74/t/61b13d00236e2f7f2dbb9a36/1639005441624/Transgender+Youth+and+the+Freedom+to+Be+Ourselves.pdf

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4439659-Ryan-Grim-results-of-latest-trans-activism-poll-A-tweaked-playbook-for-the-US?reply=113763453

This guide is a more recent version of the Denton's advice.

This messaging guide calls for people who are speaking about trans rights to tie trans rights to 'race'.

"Partners finds that we can cultivate resistance to these attacks, build cross-racial solidarity, and advance a shared vision for the future by weaving together our shared values, experiences, and demands across races and genders. This new approach builds on the Race Class Narrative to tell a convincing story of how our opposition uses strategic racism and transphobia to harm us all"

And it calls the general public 'persuadables'. How is that for dehumanisation.

(Denton's advice is here for anyone interested in seeing how manipulation works:

www.iglyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/IGLYO_v3-1.pdf)

@Bromptotoo what about ordinary girls? Whose places are being taken by boys cheating? They don't matter?

You are clearly not well informed of the issues.

The only demographic that is clearly, overwhelmingly, more likely to commit sexual assault, is males.
Politics, religion, clothing choices, pronouns are all irrelevant.
Sex is the only uniting factor.

He's forced women to get undressed in front of him, and has insisted on getting fully undressed in front of them, and paraded his naked body, even though he is very aware that this behaviour makes women uncomfortable.

Even if he was coming last in all of his races, this is offensive (and would, for most other men, be criminal) behaviour.

Apart from that has she done anything else?

nypost.com/2023/02/09/ex-swimmer-demands-transgender-locker-rooms-over-lia-thomas-encounter/amp/

How ladylike.

What apart from push female swimmers out of their races and expose themselves with reported semi erections in the changing rooms?

Why would Thomas need to have done anything else to be considered a concern?

Trans women are not women, however much they want to be, however much they modify their bodies, however many female hormones they take. I’m not being deliberately unkind, I’m being deliberately realistic. Nobody can change sex. I really don’t care at all how people of either sex want to look or dress - thought we’d abolished gender stereotypes decades ago, it’s so disappointing, so regressive.

What about them?

Historically, in the UK we risk assess prisoners. If the risks are low enough a trans woman might be accommodated on the female estate. That doesn't mean they were sharing cells or showers. Mitigating the risk probably meant they'd be in solitary.

Current government's line is that your sent to the prison appropriate to your genitalia.

Nope, they're really not, not even a little bit. Transwoman are a subgroup of men, they are not and never will be women.

Your opinion.

Funnily enough, MN debates draw in journalists, politicians, writers, solicitors, barristers, campaigners, teachers, social workers, university professors, doctors, nurses, other NHS practitioners, scientists, and sportswomen, who find them of utmost interest.

So how are male rapists getting housed there?
How are women being raped by trans women prisoners?

The only risk assessment approach is to house people by their biological sex.

I'm intrigued by how she 'forced' women to undress.

I do understand how people might be uncomfortable though, based on what's said over here I wonder how much of the outrage was confected.

If the reports of erections are correct an offence was likely committed.

Because the female team mates were forced to treat him as if he was female. To request separate charging facilities would be seen as transphobic and would result in those women facing disciplinary action.
Riley Gaines, one of those teams mates, along with others, is now speaking out about it.
It’s all very easy to find.

When have these rapes happened in the UK?

If the US cannot manage its prisons properly that's a different question.

I would imagine the risk to a trans woman held in a male prison is significantly higher than to other women if she was held in a female prison.
But that doesn’t fit the frothing desperation on here
its interesting because I have met a number of trans people in my life and they have all just been getting on living their lives and strangely enough I managed to have a normal
relationship with them, call them their preferred pronouns and chatting to them without giving a shit what genitals they have

I'm in the UK.

EA2010 specifically says that GRA 2004 doesn't overwrite legal sex. GRC was only valid for certain purposes like getting married (irrelevant now we have Same Sex marriage) and NOT for other purposes like inheriting a peerage.

I think GRA should be appealed.

People's gender identity was none of my business until they decided to make it my business.

"Current government's line is that your sent to the prison appropriate to your genitalia."

it is now.

Imagine though if women didn't actually do extensive campaigning on that very issue to get the guidance changed. And imagine just how quickly an incoming government who has leadership that defines 'women' as being able to have a 'penis' will change it.

Sex crime survivor ex female prisoners have described male prisoners having showers with curtains open and opening masturbating their fully working penises while that female prisoner was in prison. And complaints attracted punishments.

A study also showed that males who were not considered 'safe guarding' risks in Scottish prisons bragged about getting moved to the female prison so they can have sex. And they did have sex. Imagine if, like in the USA, that female person then got pregnant? What do you think would happen?

It really does seem that you have not well read about this issue.

I would imagine the risk to a trans woman held in a male prison is significantly higher than to other women if she was held in a female prison.

And this is women's problem to solve how exactly?

@wincarwoo because I will never be on the side to take rights away from and/or further marginalise already vulnerable and marginalised people, and trans people are some of the most hated, that's why.