To be bored of the trans hate?

[DaisyUpsy]

Ok, there are extremists (like the punch people in the face person), extremists can be found in many areas of life but is anyone else fed up of the trans stuff constantly being dragged up?

I've seen some ridiculous statements on here recently. Everything gets something added related to trans when it's totally irrelevant. It's getting boring. Trans extremists are not the norm so can we stop pretending they are?

You don't have to look very hard tbf

Posie wants men to come into women's toilets, bringing guns, to shoot trans people.

This woman gets a fair bit of support itt and on this site

No woman has to be raped or sexually assaulted in order to have the right to be in a prison away from biological males, who statistically pose more risk to women. It's not difficult.

You really don't understand how statistics work, do you?

When and where in a UK gaol?

People assert all kinds of things as Convention Rights. It only matters if they succeed. Did they in the circumstances you mention?

I thought so viper.

Apparently the contempt shown in "But that doesn’t fit the frothing desperation on here" is very acceptable.

To the woman with no tool but a hammer, every problem looks like a nail

Yes I do. That’s why I’ve asked for numbers.

I would imagine the risk to a trans woman held in a male prison is significantly higher than to other women if she was held in a female prison.

And how does this mean that he's a woman? Is a woman now just a person of any sex who is at risk in a male prison?

When were women in gaols in the UK raped by a trans woman?

They've been sexually assaulted, if you're hanging on the word "rape". Have you really never heard of Karen White?

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

Who do you think is responsible for male on male violence then?

A short clip from Afterlife with RIcky Gervais sums it up nicely. If you have to identify as something then you're not it to start with.

😂😂😂
oh, I dare alright.

I would imagine the risk to a trans woman held in a male prison

Lots of men are at risk in the male estate. It's not a reason for women to have to share with men. Female people aren't just background in men's lives.

@Daphodils are the men paying you? Or are you just a collaborator?

Imagine coming onto a women's forum and criticising women for wanting to protect their rights.

Ahhh it always gets to this point where I actually pity them.
That’s really embarrassing @Blossomtoes 🫣

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9819631/I-sexually-assaulted-womens-prison-fellow-inmate-male-genitalia.html

Can you tell us please, how many women do you consider 'acceptable collateral' in your push for inclusion?

Now, you can turn around and dismiss this incident because the guidance has been changed, however, this incident was not considered 'enough' by committees to make the change before Isla Bryson. So, I look forward to you telling us how many female prisoners will be considered acceptable collateral for you to make a permanent law change that the next government in power will not simply over rule?

1? 2? I mean there have already been 7 reported cases up to a few years ago. I don't know if that included Amy's even.

Errrr, you need to learn that I was criticising people who are wrong

No.

I'm English and a UK national and resident. I'm arguing that the UK law, as it stands, has the way it deals with trans people broadly right.

How other countries do it is for them and their citizens. I'd would though rather views based on US experience and US politics were not imported to the UK.

@Daphodils what are they wrong about?

Off you go then.

Oh and Bromptotoo, is it only female people being raped as being the deciding factor for you? Sexual abuse and sexual assault not a problem for you ?

People are acting like it's all trans hate. I'd say it's more concern.

That what is a women film mentioned the statistic that trans people were most likely to commit suicide 7 years after transition.

The medical treatments currently available are largely untested and adequate evidence is still not being gathered.

(Especially not puberty blockers are meaning the nature of bottom surgery and where they source excess skin from is making the procedures increasingly dangerous.)

I'd say most gender critical people don't care what clothes anyone wears. That's the point, gender is a social construct.

Don't feed that narrative that fashion and character traits see bedfellows with lifelong medical intervention. Boys can have as many bows and frocks as they want (and vice versa) they can live how they want but the lesson should be to accept your style/ personality and biological sec.

"FDJ
Former female offender, England
“Being in prison with male prisoners, you always feel on edge. You know something could happen at any time. We know they are not women. They are physically threatening and aggressive. I was sexually assaulted and I am not the only woman who has been. They haven’t had surgery and they expose themselves. One of them had been told he couldn’t shower at the same time as us women. He made a formal complaint and said this was a breach of his human rights. So now he is allowed to shower with us. And because he now has that right, the other males have that right too. There’s only a shower curtain between us. He moves the curtain so we can all see his penis when he is washing himself or shaving his legs. This is disgusting and I think it is disgusting that the prison allows this.
We can’t complain about anything. They are very well protected and it feels like our rights as women just don’t count. We have to call them ‘she’ and ‘her’ and have to use their female names. If we don’t, we are punished and lose our enhanced prisoner or D-Category status. It is horrible to do that to women.
I am very upset that I lost my legal case. I can’t understand how anyone can say that imprisoning males alongside women is the right thing to do. The prisoner who attacked me was convicted of the most serious sexual offences against girls and still has his penis. How can the government say that putting him in prison with women is the right thing to do? It’s not. I am out of prison now. But I think about all the other women still in prison who have to live with these males. This is dangerous, disgusting and wrong"

The account is among these.

https://kpssinfo.org/women-in-prison-speak-out/

You could have found it yourself if you could have been bothered to look, instead of just defending men's rights to abuse and intimidate women

It's not for women or men to solve. It's for the prison authorities.

Exactly, they can manage vulnerable men on the male estate.