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Handhold please- exH marrying OW and my DDs will be flower girls at the wedding

408 replies

Mensuckbigtime · Today 07:11

When does the pain stop?
it’d been 4 years, but I am constantly reminded of what he’s done as we have two DDs together- I have to smile when they tell me stories about her, pretend that I don’t mind. It’s absolutely awful

now DD has told me that they’re getting married and she and sister will be flower girls.

I know it’s well within his „rights“ to do so. But the thought of our girls being flower girls while he’s marrying the woman he betrayed me with- is killing me

How am I ever supposed to heal and get over this, if I have to have contact with him and OW spends loads of time with the girls?

it’d like the wound can never heal and I feel stuck in a life I didn’t choose or want

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Bufftailed · Today 13:58

Aww OP. Seen this play out as child and parent. His life won’t be perfect and yours wiil get better, step by step, 4 years is nothing when the wound is open. Focus on yourself, minimize contact with him, put a smile on for the girls. Can you treat yourself to a luxurious holiday around time of wedding? You have 100% got this.

OtterlyAstounding · Today 13:58

OwlCalledSage · Today 13:30

With advice like this, you should consider writing a parenting book. You could call it ‘How to completely fuck up your innocent children’.

Tbf, the children's father has already irrevocably fucked up their lives to some extent by betraying their mother and splitting up their family.

It's deeply unfair that because he's happy to hurt the children with every decision he makes, she's being expected to crush her own feelings and enable his selfishness at every turn, in order to try to shield them from some of the damage he's caused/is causing.

Pinkrosesforme · Today 14:06

Lexibletheflexible · Today 13:32

Yes everyone who said to make sure he had them for days before and after his wedding for one.

Why not?

It would be good to let Mrs MensuckbigtimeMark2 have a sample of what it's going to be like being married to a man with two young children. Just because he's now remarried doesn't allow him to duck out of being a father.

grumpygrape · Today 14:15

Brightlittlecanary · Today 12:36

You have had a long chat with them especially about not keeping secrets which, if it comes up again with them, you could frame your response of being upset. Along the lines of it was a shock because ‘your daddy should have told me first and we could have discussed you being flower girls

dong do this, don’t put your children in the middle of it. Arguably he doesn’t need to tell you, and arguably he doesn’t need to discuss them being flower girls, he’s an equal parent and able to make decisions. Morally yes he should have, but that’s a conversation for you and him. Not to burden your children with.

You didn't do me the courtesy of quoting me properly but I wasn't putting the children in the middle. The relationship of separated parents is about parental responsibility and keeping events like this a secret is part of that.
You don't tell children secrets, wind them up with promises of special roles before warning the resident (?) parent so they can manage the excitement. If you are an equal parent you share significant events.
This is another of these ridiculous 'I didn't tell you because I knew you'd react like this' attitudes.

Lexibletheflexible · Today 14:15

Pinkrosesforme · Today 14:06

Why not?

It would be good to let Mrs MensuckbigtimeMark2 have a sample of what it's going to be like being married to a man with two young children. Just because he's now remarried doesn't allow him to duck out of being a father.

Edited

Doing that because you think "that'll learn 'em" is petty and toxic. Also, when they have a brilliant time and come back closer to the couple, you'll feel like absolute shit.

cloudtreecarpet · Today 14:16

Pinkrosesforme · Today 14:06

Why not?

It would be good to let Mrs MensuckbigtimeMark2 have a sample of what it's going to be like being married to a man with two young children. Just because he's now remarried doesn't allow him to duck out of being a father.

Edited

Because it's using his children to get back at him.
The hardest thing in all of this is to always put the children front and centre.
Don't use them as pawns to play some weird game of punishment chess.

It's hard because putting them first also sometimes means that the cheating dad gets an easier time of it.
But even if that is the case you just have to suck it up.
They didn't ask for any of this (as the OP didn't either I know) and they are just powerless in it all at their ages.

PaperMachePanda · Today 14:16

I'm petty.

I'd hype the kids up on sweets and sugary drinks on the morning of the wedding so they behave like little devils.

But that's just me lol.

emmadoher · Today 14:17

Personally I would take the girls on holiday for the wedding and prevent them doing it as you have a right to object what your kids do. No way would I allow my children to even attend their wedding! People here will pretend to be shocked and try saying it’s none of your business etc but it absolutely is, they’re your children too and either of you can object to something the other does with them.
He sounds vile and so does she!

cloudtreecarpet · Today 14:17

Again, using the innocent kids as weapons to punish their father.
Stop suggesting this nonsense!

Pinkrosesforme · Today 14:18

boohoo26 · Today 08:39

And my ex and his new wife lead an absolutely charmed life. They’re both complete reformed characters and they’ve had nothing but abundance of financial success since they got together.
So where’s the karma in that then?

Just give it time, the Karma Bus runs on it's own schedule. 🙂
And lots of money can't buy integrity, salve a guilty conscience, or guarantee happiness or good health....

TurboGirl2 · Today 14:18

I have been through the same and found it very hard at the time so totally feel your pain. They have now been married a few years and it doesn't bother me so it will get better. It is hard to see your kids be part of a wedding that isn't yours especially with the back story . Try and distract yourself on the day, organise something nice with friends.

cloudtreecarpet · Today 14:21

emmadoher · Today 14:17

Personally I would take the girls on holiday for the wedding and prevent them doing it as you have a right to object what your kids do. No way would I allow my children to even attend their wedding! People here will pretend to be shocked and try saying it’s none of your business etc but it absolutely is, they’re your children too and either of you can object to something the other does with them.
He sounds vile and so does she!

What about if the children want to be flower girls and want to be involved in the wedding?

Again, isn't this just using the children to punish the father?

cloudtreecarpet · Today 14:23

PaperMachePanda · Today 14:16

I'm petty.

I'd hype the kids up on sweets and sugary drinks on the morning of the wedding so they behave like little devils.

But that's just me lol.

Meant to quote this on an earlier post - just weaponising kids here.
Stop suggesting stuff like this!

Pinkrosesforme · Today 14:26

cloudtreecarpet · Today 14:16

Because it's using his children to get back at him.
The hardest thing in all of this is to always put the children front and centre.
Don't use them as pawns to play some weird game of punishment chess.

It's hard because putting them first also sometimes means that the cheating dad gets an easier time of it.
But even if that is the case you just have to suck it up.
They didn't ask for any of this (as the OP didn't either I know) and they are just powerless in it all at their ages.

"Because it's using his children to get back at him"

Why is it "getting back at him" to suggest he acts like a father?

It seems to me, he's putting his kids on display like performing seals and then wants them whisked away when they have done their bit. That's using them as window-dressing and it isn't nice.

Rhaidimiddim · Today 14:28

Mensuckbigtime · Today 08:46

I cried once!!! And if he’d told me beforehand, I wouldn’t have cried at all

i was caught off guard. Am I supposed to tell my children that I’m not upset when I’m crying. That would be invalidating their correct assessment

i cried once and now I’m a bad mother for damaging my children?!

Dear God, the scolding you're gettung here for being a human.and reacting like a human is something else!

The DCs will get over seeingbtheir mum cry obce, especially when you've discussed with them why you cried. You are modelling human behaviour by not bottling things up, and they've had the experience of seeing how thoughtless bevaiour can cause hurt.

It will make them kinder people, in my view.

Weeellokthen · Today 14:29

Newhouse20938 · Today 08:52

I very much doubt this is the only time you have cried in front of them, considering how you are talking.

Plus, he doesn't owe you anything, he doesn't have to tell you anything. Expect nothing from him as he does not care about you or your feelings.

Ahh, are you an o/w?

WildLeader · Today 14:30

Mensuckbigtime · Today 08:37

I hear you, but trust me, I do protect my children
i cried ONCE- it’s ridiculous how much pressure is out on mothers to bear and grin whilst fathers (in my case) can fuck around

ive met OW twice to show my DDs that I can have a coffee with her and that it’s ok for them to have a bond with her

im doing my bit but I’m not a robot

fuck me, you’re a better woman than I @Mensuckbigtime

meeting her TWICE, fuck no.

its ok to gently show your kids that the behaviour of others is unacceptable to you and that you aren’t friends with ex or his partner BECAUSE of how you were treated.

how else can we teach our children that they don’t have to suck up poor behaviour from others.

you’ve done nothing wrong here. They are old enough to be given age appropriate truth.

that age appropriate truth will save you in the long run. My ex left when DS 5 yo, ex was abusive. DS asked me if daddy was coming back, and I said no. He asked me if it was because daddy shouted at mummy too much. I told him yes. I’ve had conversations with him over the years where I’ve answered his questions wherever possible in full, but in a manner appropriate to his age. he’s nearly 21 now.

build the rapport and trust now, it will serve you well.

it’s ok to cry, it’s ok to show emotion, but as you’ve said, it’s not them that upset you. They know this.

make him have the kids for the days before and after, take yourself away and give him no options. Self care.

Oh yes, that reminds me, remember that sometimes you come first. This is key, you can tell your kids that you’re going away for distraction purposes and that you need some time to be by yourself while they’re with their dad at the wedding.

remember that unless you put yourself at the top of your list of priorities sometimes, nobody will ever prioritise you when you need it. Show your DDs that sometimes mums need to look after themselves too. It will show them that they can do the same when they are mothers themselves.

Mensuckbigtime · Today 14:31

Just to reiterate- I won’t stop the girls from going to that wedding

Knowing they will be there, will hurt me, but hey ho, I’ve survived worse and will continue to try and minimise the effect this mess has on them

but by god do I hate him for putting us in this mess

and now please call me „bitter“

😂

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ChiefCookandBottlewasher7 · Today 14:31

ThatCyanCat · Today 10:57

Being flower girls is the least of it, though. He's marrying her so there's going to be that connection for as long as they're together. Stopping them from wearing pretty dresses and throwing rose petals at the ceremony isn't going to prevent anything further in terms of "fallout". It is more likely to confuse them and make them feel the conflict. Honestly I'd let them get on with it if only because at that age, they're more likely to largely forget the wedding unless some sort of conflict happens to make it more memorable. My flower girls were about that age and they barely remember it now, but they probably would if there had been an issue.

ETA: If they don't actually want to do it, that's another matter. If they do, I'd take the path of least resistance on this one. It's symbolic; it's not the actual issue.

Edited

Being flower girls is not the least of it, it is the most of it. It is participating in the celebration of treachery and being taught, from such an early age, that vows and family means nothing, as long as you 'fall in love with a new lady'. It would be a firm 'no' from me, with an explanation, that your father left us as a family and are you happy to celebrate it? I would say 'go and stay with him when it is his 50% custody', but to participate in the celebration of treachery? What does it teach the girls? Suck it up and put a happy face when you own family is destroyed by the abandoner? Seriously?

When they will go and stay with him on his days, it will not be normal life, albeit interrupted, but not a celebration.

WildLeader · Today 14:31

Oh and fwiw, my dad had an affair and married the OW. They utterly broke our family. I have nothing to do with him or her any more.

Pinkrosesforme · Today 14:35

@cloudtreecarpet What about if the children want to be flower girls and want to be involved in the wedding?

We'll that's fine, he can collect them the day before from Mensuckbigtime's house, along with their dresses, baskets etc and let them stay overnight near him, maybe a family room in the hotel.
The on the day of the wedding he can get grandma or another female relative to help them get ready and arrange their transport to the venue.
It will be a long day, so he can make sure they have an early night in the hotel in a family room and take them back to their own house the next day.

That's being a responsible parent. 🙂

Unexpectedlysinglemum · Today 14:36

Mensuckbigtime · Today 07:18

Nope he hasn’t even had the decency to tell me. He’s told DDs (8 and 5) and asked them not to tell Mama, so he could tell me at some point later

guess what. DDs told me the second I saw them and I started to cry as I was completely unprepared for the news which made DDs feel bad

who asks his children to keep secrets from their mother? The lack of empathy he has for me is mind boggling

He is hideous man, you need to put in writing to him that it’s not appropriate to ask children to keep secrets from their parent as it puts them in a worrying position and makes them worry they will be in trouble and that you have made it clear to them that there are no secrets from you, this is the language that predators use not parents.

BeaRightThere · Today 14:36

Pinkrosesforme · Today 14:18

Just give it time, the Karma Bus runs on it's own schedule. 🙂
And lots of money can't buy integrity, salve a guilty conscience, or guarantee happiness or good health....

Wishing ill health and misery on people for the crime of ending a relationship badly is pretty vile imo

TightlyLacedCorset · Today 14:36

ThatCyanCat · Today 11:32

I am not sure the children see it that way at all, though. They're 5 and 8. This is all about what you see on it.

Assuming they want to do it, making an issue out of it makes it harder and honestly more memorable, for the wrong reasons. Let them do it and they'll enjoy the moment and hardly remember it in years to come. Make an issue and forbid it and they'll remember they weren't allowed to wear the dress and scatter the petals, and it all becomes so much more of an issue...

...and it doesn't actually change a thing, because everything you say about "playing happy families" will be far more true in the everyday life they'll have once their father has remarried and they're living with his new wife part of the time. They can do school runs and meals and days out together but they can't wear a pretty dress and throw petals on one day?

I think it's easy to fixate on the flower girl thing because it's conspicuous and something you could potentially prevent, so it feels like a bit of control in a horrible situation. But ultimately it doesn't actually change anything or bring any benefit; it just creates added complication and conflict for the kids.

It's preserving the dignity of the children.

Children should have their dignity respected. Just because they are children that doesn't mean they don't have a right for their dignity to be separately considered apart from the father's and OW wishes. I would personally not have mine paraded to play happy families with OW and her tribe.

They will have to be a family when they visit their father. There's nothing that can be done about that, agreed.

But they don't have to join in the actual celebration of their fathers wedding to the other woman in capacity as wedding accessories with the other woman's friends and guests there. It is a frankly disturbing and massively selfish expectation for the father and certainly the OW to expect or even want this.

It also sends a crap message that is inconsistent with their lived reality and the upheaval they have had to experience. It teaches children their care providers can behave badly and they will just have to suck it up because their rights as children are lesser. And that affairs aren't so bad.

Not attending will have zero effect on how often they see their father later.

And it's not using the kids as weapon. It's simply having and teaching boundaries.

Making the kids celebrate the union of their Dad to the woman who slept with their father behind their mother's back, and ruined their family and caused their mother extreme hurt in order to provide sanction and keep up appearances that everything is just hunky dory now is definitely weaponising them.

Well I wouldn't do it to mine. We'd be off on a holiday together.

ThatCyanCat · Today 14:42

ChiefCookandBottlewasher7 · Today 14:31

Being flower girls is not the least of it, it is the most of it. It is participating in the celebration of treachery and being taught, from such an early age, that vows and family means nothing, as long as you 'fall in love with a new lady'. It would be a firm 'no' from me, with an explanation, that your father left us as a family and are you happy to celebrate it? I would say 'go and stay with him when it is his 50% custody', but to participate in the celebration of treachery? What does it teach the girls? Suck it up and put a happy face when you own family is destroyed by the abandoner? Seriously?

When they will go and stay with him on his days, it will not be normal life, albeit interrupted, but not a celebration.

It is participating in the celebration of treachery

No it isn't. It is participating in a wedding. Cheating may be treachery but a wedding isn't (what if he had done that thing MN always insists on and simply left before he cheated, and remarried after that?).

He's not celebrating leaving his marriage. He's celebrating starting his new one. Like all the other posts along these lines, this is misdefining what the event is and painting it in how the former wife is likely to feel rather than what it actually is: a wedding with the groom's children involved.

vows and family means nothing, as long as you 'fall in love with a new lady'.

If you're going to take this to its logical conclusion, nobody should be allowed to divorce because they vowed not to.

Of course it's horrible for OP. She's got every
right to be upset and she didn't do anything
wrong getting overwhelmed at one point and
crying about it. That's normal and
understandable. But the wedding is not about
the former marriage, or his treatment of her. It's about the new marriage and his children, as an
important part of his life, are part of that.

I'm really glad to see OP realises that and isn't going to try to stop it happening (nor herself from feeling her totally understandable feelings about it). If nothing else, as I said before, leave them to it and they'll barely remember it, make a scene over it and it'll become traumatic and painful for them. Preventing it won't change anything material anyway; they'll still get married and experience life together. Stopping them from throwing flowers at the wedding won't change any of that.