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He says I am not single, but will not see me

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evh1978 · 18/07/2026 07:17

I met a man two years ago through a mutual friend. We became good friends very quickly and, because of the circumstances at the time, spent most of that summer seeing each other as friends almost every day.
I was in the middle of a very dark period of my life, with a huge amount of change and emotional upheaval. I freely acknowledge that it was probably the worst period of my life. I was about as far away from the real me as I could possibly have been when he met me.
At the end of the summer, I returned to where I lived and slowly had to start rebuilding my life.
He was there.
Every day.
Phone calls. WhatsApp messages.
He was always very practically minded. He never let me wallow in the emotion of it all. He would call to see whether I had showered. Over time, as I rebuilt, he helped me find the tools I needed to rebuild my life rather than trying to do it for me.
I had been through things that left me with significant trauma and a profound loss of trust. I had stopped trusting almost everyone. He knew the full extent of what had happened and had been one of the very few people I allowed close to me.
I am a highly expressive and emotional person. I feel my way through life using emotions and language. I think in long form. I analyse everything.
I am also, I think, highly emotionally intelligent. I am very attuned to my own emotions and to the emotions of other people. I can usually see what is happening underneath a conversation, and I tend to want to talk about it.
He is almost the opposite.
He is pragmatic, grounded and emotionally contained. He tends to look at a problem and ask what can be done about it. I tend to want to understand what it means, why it happened and what is happening underneath it.
He also struggles with my emotionality. He frequently criticises the way I feel things or the intensity with which I express them. He has told me that he hates feeling responsible for other people's feelings.
I have tried to explain to him that there is a difference between being responsible for somebody else's feelings and being responsible for the impact of our behaviour on someone we are in an intimate relationship with.
We do not get to behave however we like and then say that someone else's feelings are entirely their own problem.
He has been married twice. From what he has told me, both marriages involved him being emotionally distant and unavailable in ways he now recognises. He has described himself as someone who has historically struggled with emotional intimacy.
I have wondered whether he has an avoidant attachment style, although I am very aware that people are far too fond of diagnosing everyone as avoidant simply because they don't behave in the way we want them to.
What makes him difficult to understand is that he is not generally distant from me.
In fact, the opposite is true.
He is extraordinarily present in my life. He talks to me constantly. He is often the first and last person I speak to in a day. He will spend hours talking to me. He has been there through some of the most difficult things I have ever experienced.
So I don't think the simple explanation is that he is an emotionally unavailable man who doesn't want intimacy.
He seems to want an enormous amount of intimacy with me.
The difficulty appears to be that he is much more comfortable with intimacy when it remains within certain boundaries that he controls.
He can be deeply emotionally connected to me through conversation. He can be intensely sexually intimate with me remotely. He can be incredibly present and involved in my daily life.
But real-life romantic intimacy seems to activate something different in him.
That is the contradiction I cannot resolve.
We became extremely close, although after that summer our friendship was conducted almost entirely over the phone and WhatsApp.
The few short relationships I tried during that period all had one undercurrent of a problem: the man I was seeing would eventually feel threatened by my friendship with him.
Not because they were insecure men, necessarily. But because of how heavily I lean on my friend and how present he is and was in my day-to-day life.
One of these short relationships was with a man who lived overseas. I would fly to see him regularly. But my friend was the person I would text:
Let me know you've landed.
I've landed safely.
I'm in an Uber now.
I recognise that this is probably backwards.
Anyway, fast forward to the start of this year.
I was finally in a better place. Not fixed or healed, but definitely further forward.
There has always been a level of chemistry and attraction between us, but it had never been acted upon.
Earlier this year, however, he started to drive our relationship in that direction.
I followed.
In trust.
We ended up becoming very sexually intimate remotely, through phone calls, WhatsApp and video calls. Every day. Our level of contact grew even more. I did the maths once. We averaged around 300 messages a day.
Every day.
Plus phone calls.
Plus video calls.
Plus the sexual intimacy.
I had known him for two years by this point. I trusted him more than I trusted almost anyone. I had allowed myself to become emotionally and sexually intimate with the person who had been the safest and most constant person in my life.
And, inevitably, I fell in love with him.
Naturally, I asked him what we now were.
We were both scared of losing the friendship. It was agreed that we weren't friends with benefits. It was agreed that we weren't just friends.
For all intents and purposes, we were in a relationship.
But he struggled immensely with that title.
I was at a work event once and met a man there. We got on very well. He asked for my number and asked whether I was single.
I honestly didn't know what to say.
So I told my friend that night what had happened.
There is something else that is important to understand about this relationship: there is an extraordinary amount of honesty between us. Probably more from me. He is much more guarded, although he has opened up considerably over time.
He has more insight into my day-to-day life than I have into his.
Anyway, I asked him:
Am I single?
Eventually, he said no.
But it was a very begrudging no.
It did not come easily to him.
Seeing each other in person, however, has been a struggle.
I wanted to desperately. But he always had multiple reasons why we couldn't.
To be clear, we live around two hours apart. One motorway separates us. We both drive. He keeps an apartment in London for work purposes. I live in London.
He does have a demanding job. He is a single parent. He has complicated circumstances involving his parents' health and a dog. But he co-parents well with his son's mother and, while his logistics are undoubtedly complicated, I would not say they are more complicated than those of an average 53-year-old man with a demanding life.
For context, he has never had a fling or a one-night stand. He has only ever been with a relatively small number of women, all in serious, long-term relationships.
He struggles deeply with emotional intimacy.
So we coasted along for a while, but inevitably I started asking why he wouldn't see me.
I had been immensely vulnerable with him sexually, digitally, but I was increasingly scared that I was simply a digital plaything.
I had never agreed to that.
I repeatedly told him that I would not have entered into the sexual side of our relationship if I believed it was going to remain purely digital. I was very clear that, for me, it was heading towards a relationship that existed in real life.
He repeatedly reassured me that I wasn't a digital plaything.
He told me that he wanted to translate what we had into real life.
But we have met once.
In all this time, we have met once: one afternoon at his flat in London, where he was still working.
We had lunch.
We did not have sex.
It was incredibly confusing for me.
We made a plan to meet the following week.
He cancelled.
We made another plan for the week after.
He cancelled that too.
I have repeatedly tried to ask him, calmly and directly, what he actually wants.
I have not demanded declarations of undying love or issued ultimatums. I have tried to ask for clarity in what I believe are kind and healthy ways.
But whenever I ask for clarity, he becomes defensive and shuts down. I end up frustrated, and then the conversation becomes about my frustration rather than the question I originally asked.
I have also tried giving him space, hoping that if I stopped asking and allowed him room, he would come towards me himself with some clarity.
That doesn't work either.
I have told him explicitly that I do not do well living in confusion. I have told him that if he is not able to be in a relationship with me, I would rather know.
I have given him repeated opportunities, with dignity and without drama, to walk away.
I have said, in essence: if this is not what you want, you can tell me. I will be hurt, but I would rather have the truth than continue living in ambiguity.
He has always stayed.
He has told me he will never leave me.
But I have also told him that, now that our friendship has crossed into what it is, I will never be able to return to simply being friends.
I love him too deeply.
The contradiction is that he tells me he cannot commit, but also tells me that I am not single and that he will never leave me.
He tells me he wasn't ready for a relationship, but that I came along and changed things for him.
He tells me he cannot give me a relationship, but does not want to lose me.
He wants the emotional and sexual intimacy of what we have, but becomes defensive when I ask what it actually means.
He is, in many ways, a walking contradiction.
And I have reached the point where I don't know whether I am being compassionate towards somebody who is genuinely frightened and emotionally limited, or whether I am allowing somebody to keep me in a situation that is profoundly painful because I love him.
This is not, in my view, a love-language issue.
If he were a man I had met on Bumble and this were the beginning of our relationship, I would be running a mile in the other direction.
I would probably be warning every other woman I knew to stay away.
The difficulty is that he is not a man I met on Bumble.
He is the man who was there when I was at the lowest point in my life.
He is the man who helped me rebuild.
He is the person I have spoken to every day for two years.
He is the person I trusted enough to become vulnerable with.
He is also the person who now seems unable or unwilling to give me clarity about the relationship he helped create.
On his most recent cancellation of our plans, I asked him to propose another day.
He point-blank refused.
I found this incredibly difficult. My position was that, in my experience, when you cancel plans with someone, you apologise and propose an alternative if you actually want to see them.
He did not.
When I explained why I found that hurtful and confusing, he called me controlling.
That was a significant moment for me.
I do not believe that asking somebody who has cancelled plans to suggest another day is controlling.
I believe it is a normal expectation of somebody who wants to maintain a relationship.
I am now in a period of no contact with him because I simply could not tolerate the ambiguity and the repeated disrespect of my time any longer.
I love him deeply. On many levels.
And if I am brutally honest, I wonder whether the intensity of my attachment to him is partly a consequence of the role he played in helping me survive and rebuild.
He was there when I was at my lowest.
He became the person I trusted most.
He became part of my daily life and my emotional world.
That makes walking away extraordinarily difficult.
Leaving him and walking away from everything we have would cause me significant emotional damage.
Given everything I have already been through, that is not a prospect I am taking lightly.
But I also cannot see a way forward.
And I am now beginning to wonder whether he ever actually intended to make this relationship physical.
Perhaps he genuinely meant it whenever he said he wanted to.
Perhaps he believed he would eventually be able to do it.
Perhaps he loves me in whatever way he is capable of loving somebody.
But perhaps, in practical terms, he has created a relationship that gives him almost everything he wants while allowing him to avoid the one thing I need.
A relationship that exists in reality.
So what exactly is happening here?
Am I looking at a man who genuinely loves me but is terrified of real-life intimacy?
Am I looking at a man who has created a relationship that gives him all the emotional and sexual intimacy he wants without requiring him to take the risks of a real relationship?
Am I being manipulated, even if he does not consciously intend to manipulate me?
Or am I somehow both right?
And perhaps the most difficult question is this:
If somebody genuinely loves you, but is unable or unwilling to give you the relationship you need, does the reason ultimately matter?

I am waking up every day now, and my overriding feeling is that I feel used. And defective. I feel like I am not good enough for him to want in real life and I was only ever good enough for some digital fun. But what an elaborate route to get there for him....

OP posts:
Quamarina · 18/07/2026 10:23

evh1978 · 18/07/2026 10:14

Thank-you. Just out of interest what is the bit that is needy.
I have obviously examined my behaviour a lot and pressure tested what I wanted and said etc.

The ironic thing is, is that whilst there was always chemistry, I'd been very happy with it just being friendship, I hadn't really considered another possibility. So when he drove it into the territory it is now, I was surprised but, yes, did follow as he had my trust. He said that he'd always known he had feelings for me and watching me over the past couple of years attempting other relationships was painful for him....
I'm just so cross as I was happy when we were just friends.

@evh1978 almost all of it is needy.

you can’t see it when you are inside of it.

asking him if you are ‘single’, accepting his begrudging reluctant response.

if a man wants to be with you, he’s with you, no doubts.

continuing to do the online sex when what you want is an in-person relationship.

accepting the scrap of a ‘date’ which was lunch at his flat, when he couldn’t be bothered to even book the afternoon off.

tolerating repeat cancelled plans.

texting him you whereabouts under the guise of his concern, when you are on a date with another man.

there is no shame in any of this, the only shame would be if that now you are becoming aware, and you know you aren’t happy, if you let it continue.

Minasama · 18/07/2026 10:24

I read about half of this.
What is the question you would like us to answer?
Put that at the top and give us 5 bullets of context, then we might be able to help.

Assuming the question is - shall I have a relationship with this man, the answer to me is if it isn’t happening irl after two years it is too complicated and won’t work. What on earth is remote intimacy? A man getting off on sexy texts?

My other piece of advice is to become less self-focused and analytical and get out there and enjoy life. Focus on making things simple, not complicated. If you don’t have one, get a job you like and focus on being good at that.

In the end, all the reasons why don’t change anything, it is the results/outcomes that matter. The rest is ego.

Oneofthworher · 18/07/2026 10:25

Like everyone else I read the first half and skimmed the rest.

He doesn’t want you, he enjoys the fun of texting and the sexting. The saying if he wanted to, he would applies here. Women make a lot of excuses for men and why they can’t but the reality is if he wanted to he would.

Sorry to sound harsh and I don’t mean to but that is the reality of it.

You sound very dependent on this man. Stop replying, turn your phone off, put it on DND and get outside and stop waiting for someone who isn’t choosing you.

BareNecessitiesofLife · 18/07/2026 10:25

Please stop telling yourself a sexting thing is a meaningful relationship. Stop sending him naked pics and go on dates with new people and ask yourself why you are trying to satisfy your inner need for connection in this futile way. Time to rip the bandaid off - this man will never step up and once you meet someone who suits you better you will look back on this and cringe.

Bonkers1966 · 18/07/2026 10:28

Too long and not especially informative. Is it creative writing gone horribly wrong?

daisychain01 · 18/07/2026 10:29

Sess249 · 18/07/2026 10:08

I was thinking there is no way this wanker will actually take steps to show up and the OP can then move on with her life knowing she’s asked for what she needs and wants. I’m a huge believer in asking for what you need and also that boundaries are for yourself - you can’t control other people but can control your reactions. 🤷‍♀️ maybe you are right

Context is everything - It's fine to ask for what you need in a healthy relationship, absolutely, but the OP is not in a healthy relationship with this lowlife - far from it. She would be putting herself at the mercy of someone who doesn't have her best interests at heart which is a surefire way of them getting her where he wants her.

the best she can do is block him and take time away from the whole situation until the fog disappears. Plus prioritise her emotional energy and relationship to her children - where are they in all this?

SixtySomething · 18/07/2026 10:30

AI!
It might help you move forward if you try writing this yourself in, say, 250 words.

Mumofoneandone · 18/07/2026 10:30

He needs ditching!
Look up the poem about friends for a season, friends for a reason......

notatinydancer · 18/07/2026 10:31

If you hadn’t actually met him I’d have said you were being cat fished. I should think he’s married?
If not , he doesn’t want a relationship with you or you’d be in one. Without all your hypotheses and assumptions it’s really that simple.

evh1978 · 18/07/2026 10:32

Hollycoco · 18/07/2026 09:58

This man is married. He is using you as a toy to play with, for phone sex and cheap thrills to boost his ego. You will never get any more from this man. He is using you clear as day, and is happy to string you along and destroy you in the process.

It is no coincidence that he came into your life and latched on to you when you were in a dark place and struggling emotionally. Men like him have a radar for weak prey (sorry if that sounds harsh, I don’t mean it to be mean, more to try help you wake up and see him for what he is.)

Have you ever tried therapy? Can you afford it? I would highly recommend it if you can. You deserve so much better than this.

I have had so mucn therapy. Trauma work, EMDR, DBT, everything. Oddly, he was always very anti therapy. He was very against me having it all which always felt strange.

I am aware that there is so much contradiction here. I really am. If this was someone else writing this, I would be saying pretty much the same as everything here (maybe without the unkindness that some people have felt necessary).when it is you, it's just so much harder to see and understand.

Re the married thing, it honestly has crossed my mind. But he was my friends neighbour when we met so I knew he lived alone with his son. We were in each other's houses every day for a summer.

He has since moved in with his parents to help care for his mum and that's the bit that I have no access to. I have wondered if he is back with his wife or a similar scenario. And recently he said something that sounded odd. He was talking about his son (he's 15) and was saying he couldn't meet me because he wouldn't leave him in 'that' house alone. But we were video calling and he was in the house. Super odd language that just didn't sit right in the sentence...

OP posts:
TheSmellOfSea · 18/07/2026 10:33

My feeling is he's lured you in and played a long game. It really is a game. I wouldn't trust him. He's really unfair expecting you to have this weird 'relationship '. Of course that's because he only really cares about himself.

Cut loose and meet rl men. Meet many until you find someone who could possibly be genuine? Or do you struggle with childcare and this is why this thing with him has been going on so long?

TheSmellOfSea · 18/07/2026 10:36

Just read your latest post. Trust your gut. Please stop being played. I've been played before and when I realised I ended it. I know when you're vulnerable that isn't easy but you really should try.

I bet if you become less available he'll start with promises to meet up. Luring you again. It's sick.

Livpool · 18/07/2026 10:38

You have met once?! You aren’t a couple, and you are single. Stop all contact.

evh1978 · 18/07/2026 10:38

daisychain01 · 18/07/2026 10:29

Context is everything - It's fine to ask for what you need in a healthy relationship, absolutely, but the OP is not in a healthy relationship with this lowlife - far from it. She would be putting herself at the mercy of someone who doesn't have her best interests at heart which is a surefire way of them getting her where he wants her.

the best she can do is block him and take time away from the whole situation until the fog disappears. Plus prioritise her emotional energy and relationship to her children - where are they in all this?

Edited

You calling him a lowlife felt good. Thank you. I don't think I ever would have allowed myself to do that. I guess it's the gratitude for being there when things were tough. I feel indebted.

Kids are very much prioritised. Always. And doing well. I'm good at falling apart late at night behind a closed bedroom door. And as we all know, it's not like I have had to arrange childcare to go and see this man

OP posts:
supersop60 · 18/07/2026 10:41

SoScarletItWas · 18/07/2026 08:34

I read every word of your post and my considered opinion is:

You are wank fodder at the end of a phone.

That’s it.

Great that he supported you while you were low. But he doesn’t want to be with you. You ARE single. Accept that you took what you needed when you needed it and cut him out now. That’s the only way you will move on.

Edited

Just what I was going to say.
Wank fodder is all you are to him. He doesn’t want a real person, and he is wasting your time.

CurlewKate · 18/07/2026 10:41

If he wanted to-he would.

TakeThatAndParty81 · 18/07/2026 10:44

OP stop analysing every fucking thing - apologies for my language!! Just leave it all - have nothing more to do with him. You deserve more in your life. Talk about crumbs. What an awful excuse for a human he is - just get on with your real life. Lock your phone away if you have to!

ToffeeCrabApple · 18/07/2026 10:44

Omg if you over analyse everything like this you must be exhausted.

He doesnt want a relationship/intense emotional attachment the way you do (sorry but very few men will...!). Move on

Woodfiresareamazing2 · 18/07/2026 10:46

Hi @evh1978

This is the longest post i have ever seen on MN.
I would say that, if you really are a professional writer, you desperately need a professional editor.

A writer should be aware of their audience, and write accordingly. I would guess that almost no-one has read the full post. I tried, but after LOTS of words, you wrote "Fast forward to now". If that was fast, i don't understand the laws of physics.

You are obsessed with yourself and the wonderful amazing uniqueness of your deep deep connection with this man who is just not interested in a relationship with you.

I was actually shocked to read in an update that you are in your mid 40s with 3 DC and a full time job - how on earth did you find time for them, for eating and sleeping, and all of the nonsense with him?

There's "extraordinary honesty" in your 'relationship', but then you clarify "probably more on my part". That's for damn sure.

I think you have worked this up into being some fantastical incredible relationship bigger and better and deeper than anything ever in the history of the world - but the reality is, it's really not. And it never was.

He probably was into that whole 'saviour' thing when you first met.
Then when that got boring he moved it on to sexting.
Then when you started demanding real life interaction he shut it down.

Move on.
Get some proper therapy and leave this fantasy-based digitally exploitative 'thing' (it's not a relationship) behind you.

andthat · 18/07/2026 10:47

evh1978 · 18/07/2026 08:37

Hi all. I'm just going to read replies now. For clarity, I wrote it. I'm a professional a writer so do tend to get locked down in the detail. Will take the point it's long. Sorry x

You sound exhausting.

I don’t think you and this guy are compatible.

ToffeeCrabApple · 18/07/2026 10:50

@evh1978 almost all of it is needy.

This. I think you've built a bit of texting & sexting up to so much more in your head.

Look at actions not words. Men lie to get sex/what they want! Wise up. If he wanted to be with you he would be with you.

Inthewoody · 18/07/2026 10:50

Scan read as that was long. He liked being your rescuer when times were tough now he is probably living his life but content on holding you back. Let him go op start choosing you. There is no point if you don’t see him often.

BoundaryGirl3939 · 18/07/2026 10:51

I think you need to expand your community, and friends, and not depend on one person.
Its always dangerous depending on one person, I am learning that the hard way.
This is your opportunity to see the deficits in your life and grow.

JoyousWriter · 18/07/2026 10:52

Short term?

Block this guy on every platform.
Have a cup of tea.
Go to a pub tonight and watch the football.

nolongersurprised · 18/07/2026 10:56

I think you have worked this up into being some fantastical incredible relationship bigger and better and deeper than anything ever in the history of the world - but the reality is, it's really not. And it never was

I agree with this. You were in a low place and he stepped up as “saviour” and now he’s using your digital images as wank fodder. You seem vulnerable and he groomed you.

He doesn’t want to be with you in person. If you’re happy with that, keep going, if you’re not you need to stop. That’s a LOT of daily texts though. I’m not sure how easily you’ll break that habit

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