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He says I am not single, but will not see me

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evh1978 · 18/07/2026 07:17

I met a man two years ago through a mutual friend. We became good friends very quickly and, because of the circumstances at the time, spent most of that summer seeing each other as friends almost every day.
I was in the middle of a very dark period of my life, with a huge amount of change and emotional upheaval. I freely acknowledge that it was probably the worst period of my life. I was about as far away from the real me as I could possibly have been when he met me.
At the end of the summer, I returned to where I lived and slowly had to start rebuilding my life.
He was there.
Every day.
Phone calls. WhatsApp messages.
He was always very practically minded. He never let me wallow in the emotion of it all. He would call to see whether I had showered. Over time, as I rebuilt, he helped me find the tools I needed to rebuild my life rather than trying to do it for me.
I had been through things that left me with significant trauma and a profound loss of trust. I had stopped trusting almost everyone. He knew the full extent of what had happened and had been one of the very few people I allowed close to me.
I am a highly expressive and emotional person. I feel my way through life using emotions and language. I think in long form. I analyse everything.
I am also, I think, highly emotionally intelligent. I am very attuned to my own emotions and to the emotions of other people. I can usually see what is happening underneath a conversation, and I tend to want to talk about it.
He is almost the opposite.
He is pragmatic, grounded and emotionally contained. He tends to look at a problem and ask what can be done about it. I tend to want to understand what it means, why it happened and what is happening underneath it.
He also struggles with my emotionality. He frequently criticises the way I feel things or the intensity with which I express them. He has told me that he hates feeling responsible for other people's feelings.
I have tried to explain to him that there is a difference between being responsible for somebody else's feelings and being responsible for the impact of our behaviour on someone we are in an intimate relationship with.
We do not get to behave however we like and then say that someone else's feelings are entirely their own problem.
He has been married twice. From what he has told me, both marriages involved him being emotionally distant and unavailable in ways he now recognises. He has described himself as someone who has historically struggled with emotional intimacy.
I have wondered whether he has an avoidant attachment style, although I am very aware that people are far too fond of diagnosing everyone as avoidant simply because they don't behave in the way we want them to.
What makes him difficult to understand is that he is not generally distant from me.
In fact, the opposite is true.
He is extraordinarily present in my life. He talks to me constantly. He is often the first and last person I speak to in a day. He will spend hours talking to me. He has been there through some of the most difficult things I have ever experienced.
So I don't think the simple explanation is that he is an emotionally unavailable man who doesn't want intimacy.
He seems to want an enormous amount of intimacy with me.
The difficulty appears to be that he is much more comfortable with intimacy when it remains within certain boundaries that he controls.
He can be deeply emotionally connected to me through conversation. He can be intensely sexually intimate with me remotely. He can be incredibly present and involved in my daily life.
But real-life romantic intimacy seems to activate something different in him.
That is the contradiction I cannot resolve.
We became extremely close, although after that summer our friendship was conducted almost entirely over the phone and WhatsApp.
The few short relationships I tried during that period all had one undercurrent of a problem: the man I was seeing would eventually feel threatened by my friendship with him.
Not because they were insecure men, necessarily. But because of how heavily I lean on my friend and how present he is and was in my day-to-day life.
One of these short relationships was with a man who lived overseas. I would fly to see him regularly. But my friend was the person I would text:
Let me know you've landed.
I've landed safely.
I'm in an Uber now.
I recognise that this is probably backwards.
Anyway, fast forward to the start of this year.
I was finally in a better place. Not fixed or healed, but definitely further forward.
There has always been a level of chemistry and attraction between us, but it had never been acted upon.
Earlier this year, however, he started to drive our relationship in that direction.
I followed.
In trust.
We ended up becoming very sexually intimate remotely, through phone calls, WhatsApp and video calls. Every day. Our level of contact grew even more. I did the maths once. We averaged around 300 messages a day.
Every day.
Plus phone calls.
Plus video calls.
Plus the sexual intimacy.
I had known him for two years by this point. I trusted him more than I trusted almost anyone. I had allowed myself to become emotionally and sexually intimate with the person who had been the safest and most constant person in my life.
And, inevitably, I fell in love with him.
Naturally, I asked him what we now were.
We were both scared of losing the friendship. It was agreed that we weren't friends with benefits. It was agreed that we weren't just friends.
For all intents and purposes, we were in a relationship.
But he struggled immensely with that title.
I was at a work event once and met a man there. We got on very well. He asked for my number and asked whether I was single.
I honestly didn't know what to say.
So I told my friend that night what had happened.
There is something else that is important to understand about this relationship: there is an extraordinary amount of honesty between us. Probably more from me. He is much more guarded, although he has opened up considerably over time.
He has more insight into my day-to-day life than I have into his.
Anyway, I asked him:
Am I single?
Eventually, he said no.
But it was a very begrudging no.
It did not come easily to him.
Seeing each other in person, however, has been a struggle.
I wanted to desperately. But he always had multiple reasons why we couldn't.
To be clear, we live around two hours apart. One motorway separates us. We both drive. He keeps an apartment in London for work purposes. I live in London.
He does have a demanding job. He is a single parent. He has complicated circumstances involving his parents' health and a dog. But he co-parents well with his son's mother and, while his logistics are undoubtedly complicated, I would not say they are more complicated than those of an average 53-year-old man with a demanding life.
For context, he has never had a fling or a one-night stand. He has only ever been with a relatively small number of women, all in serious, long-term relationships.
He struggles deeply with emotional intimacy.
So we coasted along for a while, but inevitably I started asking why he wouldn't see me.
I had been immensely vulnerable with him sexually, digitally, but I was increasingly scared that I was simply a digital plaything.
I had never agreed to that.
I repeatedly told him that I would not have entered into the sexual side of our relationship if I believed it was going to remain purely digital. I was very clear that, for me, it was heading towards a relationship that existed in real life.
He repeatedly reassured me that I wasn't a digital plaything.
He told me that he wanted to translate what we had into real life.
But we have met once.
In all this time, we have met once: one afternoon at his flat in London, where he was still working.
We had lunch.
We did not have sex.
It was incredibly confusing for me.
We made a plan to meet the following week.
He cancelled.
We made another plan for the week after.
He cancelled that too.
I have repeatedly tried to ask him, calmly and directly, what he actually wants.
I have not demanded declarations of undying love or issued ultimatums. I have tried to ask for clarity in what I believe are kind and healthy ways.
But whenever I ask for clarity, he becomes defensive and shuts down. I end up frustrated, and then the conversation becomes about my frustration rather than the question I originally asked.
I have also tried giving him space, hoping that if I stopped asking and allowed him room, he would come towards me himself with some clarity.
That doesn't work either.
I have told him explicitly that I do not do well living in confusion. I have told him that if he is not able to be in a relationship with me, I would rather know.
I have given him repeated opportunities, with dignity and without drama, to walk away.
I have said, in essence: if this is not what you want, you can tell me. I will be hurt, but I would rather have the truth than continue living in ambiguity.
He has always stayed.
He has told me he will never leave me.
But I have also told him that, now that our friendship has crossed into what it is, I will never be able to return to simply being friends.
I love him too deeply.
The contradiction is that he tells me he cannot commit, but also tells me that I am not single and that he will never leave me.
He tells me he wasn't ready for a relationship, but that I came along and changed things for him.
He tells me he cannot give me a relationship, but does not want to lose me.
He wants the emotional and sexual intimacy of what we have, but becomes defensive when I ask what it actually means.
He is, in many ways, a walking contradiction.
And I have reached the point where I don't know whether I am being compassionate towards somebody who is genuinely frightened and emotionally limited, or whether I am allowing somebody to keep me in a situation that is profoundly painful because I love him.
This is not, in my view, a love-language issue.
If he were a man I had met on Bumble and this were the beginning of our relationship, I would be running a mile in the other direction.
I would probably be warning every other woman I knew to stay away.
The difficulty is that he is not a man I met on Bumble.
He is the man who was there when I was at the lowest point in my life.
He is the man who helped me rebuild.
He is the person I have spoken to every day for two years.
He is the person I trusted enough to become vulnerable with.
He is also the person who now seems unable or unwilling to give me clarity about the relationship he helped create.
On his most recent cancellation of our plans, I asked him to propose another day.
He point-blank refused.
I found this incredibly difficult. My position was that, in my experience, when you cancel plans with someone, you apologise and propose an alternative if you actually want to see them.
He did not.
When I explained why I found that hurtful and confusing, he called me controlling.
That was a significant moment for me.
I do not believe that asking somebody who has cancelled plans to suggest another day is controlling.
I believe it is a normal expectation of somebody who wants to maintain a relationship.
I am now in a period of no contact with him because I simply could not tolerate the ambiguity and the repeated disrespect of my time any longer.
I love him deeply. On many levels.
And if I am brutally honest, I wonder whether the intensity of my attachment to him is partly a consequence of the role he played in helping me survive and rebuild.
He was there when I was at my lowest.
He became the person I trusted most.
He became part of my daily life and my emotional world.
That makes walking away extraordinarily difficult.
Leaving him and walking away from everything we have would cause me significant emotional damage.
Given everything I have already been through, that is not a prospect I am taking lightly.
But I also cannot see a way forward.
And I am now beginning to wonder whether he ever actually intended to make this relationship physical.
Perhaps he genuinely meant it whenever he said he wanted to.
Perhaps he believed he would eventually be able to do it.
Perhaps he loves me in whatever way he is capable of loving somebody.
But perhaps, in practical terms, he has created a relationship that gives him almost everything he wants while allowing him to avoid the one thing I need.
A relationship that exists in reality.
So what exactly is happening here?
Am I looking at a man who genuinely loves me but is terrified of real-life intimacy?
Am I looking at a man who has created a relationship that gives him all the emotional and sexual intimacy he wants without requiring him to take the risks of a real relationship?
Am I being manipulated, even if he does not consciously intend to manipulate me?
Or am I somehow both right?
And perhaps the most difficult question is this:
If somebody genuinely loves you, but is unable or unwilling to give you the relationship you need, does the reason ultimately matter?

I am waking up every day now, and my overriding feeling is that I feel used. And defective. I feel like I am not good enough for him to want in real life and I was only ever good enough for some digital fun. But what an elaborate route to get there for him....

OP posts:
AllTheTreesOfTheField · 18/07/2026 10:57

@Woodfiresareamazing2 has summarised this situation very well, especially;

He probably was into that whole 'saviour' thing when you first met.
Then when that got boring he moved it on to sexting.
Then when you started demanding real life interaction he shut it down.

If suddenly one or neither of you had mobile phones, what would be left of this?

SixAndJuliet · 18/07/2026 10:57

No more therapy for you, you are over thinking, over analysing, over communicating everything.

Time to look at the facts without all of the above:

He won’t meet you.
He only wants an online sexual relationship with you (and most probably has a lot of recorded videos and pictures of you at his disposal).
300 messages a day is not healthy. None of this is healthy.
You are single. Feel free to purse real romantic relationships.
You should end all contact with this man. It will be tough but better for you in the long run.

Kokonimater · 18/07/2026 10:57

VickyEadie · 18/07/2026 07:35

A man who does only pretend sex and refuses a real relationship isn't a keeper, I'm afraid.

Also - what does he mean, "You aren't single"?

It means he is in a relationship with her.

Kokonimater · 18/07/2026 11:01

Did AI write this post?
but whether yes or no, you are being played. You need to end this.

You ARE single. Meet a real person.
he helped you through a bad time. His job is done. Now get back out there.

SallyD00lally · 18/07/2026 11:02

Does he have any digital images of you undressed/doing sexual things?

My absolute worry is that if he does, where are they ending up?

He's addicted to online/text wanking by the sound of it and if he wanted an actual offline relationship with you, he's had plenty of opportunity.

But that's clearly not what he wants.

SallyD00lally · 18/07/2026 11:03

SixAndJuliet · 18/07/2026 10:57

No more therapy for you, you are over thinking, over analysing, over communicating everything.

Time to look at the facts without all of the above:

He won’t meet you.
He only wants an online sexual relationship with you (and most probably has a lot of recorded videos and pictures of you at his disposal).
300 messages a day is not healthy. None of this is healthy.
You are single. Feel free to purse real romantic relationships.
You should end all contact with this man. It will be tough but better for you in the long run.

No more therapy for you, you are over thinking, over analysing, over communicating everything.

And this ^^ 100%.

I was surprised when someone asked the OP if she'd had therapy.

She sounds brainwashed with it all!

EssCarGo · 18/07/2026 11:06

Ok here’s what happened to me. I met someone online. The whole 300 messages a day thing. Three months in he moved 800 miles to where I live because that’s just how it had to be.

He has done nothing to suggest he wants anything from you, or to be with you in any way apart from having a shared wank.

Read his actions, not his very very very many texts.

istherereallytimeforallthat · 18/07/2026 11:06

FannyCraddocksPantry · 18/07/2026 07:24

Can you summarise in a paragraph?

I can summarise it in one sentence.

The man is a monumental self-absorbed twat and the OP should dump him.

Naurrr · 18/07/2026 11:07

SallyD00lally · 18/07/2026 11:02

Does he have any digital images of you undressed/doing sexual things?

My absolute worry is that if he does, where are they ending up?

He's addicted to online/text wanking by the sound of it and if he wanted an actual offline relationship with you, he's had plenty of opportunity.

But that's clearly not what he wants.

That's what I thought too. It's so disturbing that this man has so many images of a woman, what he does with them is completely out of her hands.

Never lower yourself to analysing any bloke. Believe what they do. It's simple.

HoppingPavlova · 18/07/2026 11:08

Didn’t even get halfway through, but guessing he’s married.

Whatdidyoujustcallme · 18/07/2026 11:10

He sounds very much married, and in his head not being intimate in person makes it ok. As hard as it will be you need to get away from this. You need a real relationship.

nolongersurprised · 18/07/2026 11:10

You are worth more than phone sex, OP.

ForTipsyFinch · 18/07/2026 11:13

Sorry I didn’t read this, but there isn’t a man on this planet who is worthy of a wall of text like this 😅

whippersnapper55 · 18/07/2026 11:23

Sorry OP but I didn't get to the end of that! From what I did read, it doesn't sound like a healthy relationship.

In my experience, men are pretty simple. If he wanted to be with you, he would be with you. He would be making the effort to see you and spend time with you. If he's not, he's just not that into you. Whether that's because of personal problems, avoidance of intimacy or logistics is neither here nor there. If he was keen, you would know it without doubt.

Stop wasting your time and move on. Relationships should be fun and exciting, not full of angst and analysis.

TutTutTutSigh · 18/07/2026 11:23

This is so unhealthy. Hundreds of messages a day is unhealthy. You seem to be confusing quantity with substance. A real relationship doesn't require excessive messaging every hour of the day, I would find that completely controlling and smothering.

TutTutTutSigh · 18/07/2026 11:24

This sounds like a catfish scam.

Nameynamechange21 · 18/07/2026 11:24

Hey OP, I recognise so much of my relationship history in what you’ve written here and my background is similar to yours.

Here’s what I learned about the dynamics id been participating in which feel eerily similar. From the get go I was operating on one very simple assumption that was incorrect - that if I was with someone who sure we can call ‘avoidant’ and yet still willing to spend a lot of time practically offering support and checking in but on the less ‘emotional’ side? My assumptions was, like me, they were actually invested in two things :

  1. A reciprocal emotional relationship
  2. The same level of desire for self examination and change ‘development ‘ etc as I was.

The reality was always actually that their style of interaction I assumed was a problem for them (just like my trauma or whatever was a problem for me and needed work and changing) actually worked ok for them.

They had what they wanted and needed.

For your situation it seems to me that he has what he needs already. In his case it’s outsourcing his emotional processing to a really wordy and expressive person who can embody that energy AND feel comfortable and confident in his ability to dispense advice and be a practical ‘fixer’

For me I may have been outsourcing my need to have some external practical regulation and a space to over express. You seem to be doing similar or did - except for you that was a stage in a process of active change. For him it is not.

The trouble comes when you see the other person and assume because you are ‘doing work on yourself’ and seek change the fact they are engaging with you means so too are they.

but ask yourself - what actual steps has this guy taken to change the way he relates to his emotions and whatever happened in his past? Zero from what I can make out - because right or wrong that is not his goal. It’s easy to assume it is because why else would he spend so much time with a woman who is so emotionally invested In ‘processing’??

Well the penny dropped for me when I removed myself from the situation and asked what does this other person actually do and shows has done historically off his own back, because it is his goal to transform himself in some way?

The answer with this type of dynamic is nothing or very little after being dragged kicking and screaming because it is NOT their goal.

And the why doesn’t matter. You can spend years of your life analysing someone and the reasons why they may or may not do what it takes to be more emotionally attuned or deal with trauma or whatever and believing if they just understood or had courage or the right support or whatever else they would do it.

But they will not because it is not their goal and the why does not matter. And that honestly is their right.

Because you are naturally (or became) wired towards ‘processing’ and changing things ‘healing’ if you will and transformation you assume others are the same if they are engaging with you. But this man is not.

You gotta challenge your assumptions about what these goals are for this man. Because from all I have read his are very different to yours - not only in a relationship romantically but how he wishes to live his life from an emotional lens.

Your goals and objectives are not aligned. And it is not up to you to figure him out and fix him - and it shouldn’t have been his role to fix you practically either with the intense amount of daily ‘support’ he was offering.

And I get this is long but your post really did strike a chord so I’m trying to explain fully - recognise that energy??

What has changed for me is understanding that not only do my assumptions need to be challenged but also to accept some people are ok with how they are even if I see it as dysfunctional and deficient emotionally etc or needing to change. It’s not up to me and actually assuming they WANT to because my default mode is to fix heal or ‘process’ was creating more intense situations like the one you are in where I was running around trying to process myself and a second human being who had zero interest in being ‘processed’ .

Epidote · 18/07/2026 11:24

It is been two years of the same, do not romanticize it. He wants a relationship on his terms, you want a relationship on your terms. You are not compatible in the long run. I would let him go.

Starlight7080 · 18/07/2026 11:29

It sounds like he was a way for you to cope in the beginning but now he is the source of your problems.
Its not healthy. I have been with my husband for over 20 years and adore him. But if i had to msg him constantly with my days activities I would go insane. He really sounds like he loves having you under his control. As entertainment. And his wife for his real life .

WestwardHo1 · 18/07/2026 11:29

He sounds like a shit. He will never be what you want.

Don't waste any more time on him.

viques · 18/07/2026 11:30

TWO years of this?

Sorry, I am glad he helped you out of your sad place, but I do wonder why having been so patient and concerned he doesn’t want the relationship to progress beyond multiple texts and phone sex.

Maybe he likes the thought of you being dependent on him emotionally.

Maybe he sees himself as a saviour.

Maybe he is impotent, or wets the bed.

Maybe he is emotionally unable to deal with a real relationship.

Maybe he likes having control over your life.

Maybe he is married.

So who knows? Certainly not you because after two years he hasn’t let you into his life enough for you to judge.

Whatever the reason it sounds as though from YOUR point of view you want more from the relationship and it is not going to happen. So whatever he is getting from texts and phone sex it isn’t fulfilling your needs, so for your own sake you need to be moving on, with any luck to a real life relationship that doesn’t mean you have to write an essay to explain it.

Sausagedog101 · 18/07/2026 11:30

bittertwisted · 18/07/2026 09:55

At risk of hijacking someone’s thread, but what you said has helped me so much, the realisation my hyper vigilance is explainable, my lack of barriers, the people pleasing
its a trauma response

anyway back to the OP, please listen to this very insightful advice, it has been incredibly useful for me, you need to take pow from it too

Yes me too. I am going through something very similar OP. (Are we experiencing the same man?!). Thanks for sharing and making me feel a bit less alone. Xx

Blondiebeachbabe · 18/07/2026 11:32

You are not in a relationship with this man. You've met him one time in 2 years. He probably has a wife or girlfriend where he lives.

I am amazed that you are giving him so much thought, when you've only been offered breadcrumbs.

At best, you have a pen pal. Like a lot of us did in the 80's.

Blondiebeachbabe · 18/07/2026 11:38

FROM GEMINI

It takes a great deal of clarity and courage to step back from an attachment as profound as the one you have described. What you have written is an exceptionally articulate analysis of a situation that is, by definition, designed to be confusing.

When you ask what is happening here, you are essentially asking how to reconcile the man who provided a lifeline during your darkest hours with the man who is now systematically avoiding the reality of your relationship.

Here is an objective perspective on the dynamics you are experiencing.
The Dynamics of "Safe" Intimacy
You have identified a crucial distinction: he is not "emotionally unavailable" in a traditional sense, but he is functionally avoidant of real-world integration.
For many people with this particular structure, digital and emotional intimacy is manageable because it is highly curated. It exists in a vacuum. He can control the "on" switch for the conversation, and he can control the "off" switch when the reality of your personhood—your needs, your requirement for reciprocity, your physical presence—begins to feel like a demand.

When you push for clarity or for the relationship to exist in the physical world, you are moving the relationship out of his "managed" space and into the "unmanaged" space of real life. For someone who struggles with emotional containment, this transition feels like a threat rather than a natural progression.

The "Saviour" Paradox
You noted that your attachment may be tied to his role in your recovery. This is a common and powerful psychological phenomenon. When someone is the "constant" during a period of trauma, they become neurologically paired with safety.
However, there is a painful imbalance here:
For you: He was a partner in your healing.
For him: He was a provider of support.

By keeping the relationship largely remote, he retains the power dynamic of the "helper" and the "helped." A real-life, reciprocal, egalitarian relationship forces him to relinquish that position. He may find that he actually cannot handle the transition to being an equal partner because, as you noted, he has a history of struggling with intimacy in his previous marriages.

The Question of Manipulation
You asked if you are being manipulated, even if not consciously.
Manipulation does not always require a Machiavellian plan; it often manifests as self-preservation at the expense of another. Whether he "intends" to use you as a digital plaything is perhaps less relevant than the outcome: he is prioritizing his own comfort and his need to avoid the risks of real-life intimacy over your clearly stated needs for truth and consistency.
When he calls you "controlling" for requesting a new date after he cancels, he is engaging in a classic deflection. He is reframing your boundary-setting as a character flaw, which effectively silences your legitimate frustration.

Does the Reason Matter?
You asked: If somebody genuinely loves you, but is unable or unwilling to give you the relationship you need, does the reason ultimately matter?
The answer, painfully, is no.
The "why" is academic; the "what" is the reality you have to live in. Whether he is terrified, emotionally limited, or consciously avoidant, the result remains the same: he is currently unable to provide the reality you are asking for.
You are currently experiencing the consequences of the "gap" between his words ("I will never leave you") and his actions (cancelling meetings, refusing to commit to the title of a relationship, shutting down when confronted). You have reached the stage where you are realizing that love is not enough to bridge that gap.

Acknowledging Your Worth
You feel "defective" and "used." It is vital to separate your intrinsic worth from his inability to meet you halfway.
The fact that you were able to rebuild your life, to express yourself with such emotional intelligence, and to hold your own dignity in this situation proves that you are not defective. You are simply a person who has outgrown a container that was once a sanctuary but has become a cage.
The "no contact" period you have initiated is not just a tool to get him to act; it is the first step in reclaiming the autonomy he has been helping you build for two years. If he is unwilling or unable to move into the light of a real-world relationship, no amount of emotional analysis or "long-form thinking" will fix it.
You have been looking for the truth in his words, but the truth is almost always found in the consistency—or lack thereof—of someone’s actions over time.

Blondiebeachbabe · 18/07/2026 11:40

If a man wants to be with you, nothing is keeping him away. Remember the song Wild Horses?

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