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Starting a fourth thread when I hoped three would be enough

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PithyBeaker · 18/05/2026 13:25

really hoped I wouldn’t need this but looks like I do

OP posts:
outerspacepotato · 17/08/2026 02:16

Nice, gentle, decent guys don't call women cunts. He called you a cunt and that verbal abuse would have continued if you hadn't told him he would leave if it happened again.

When someone respects you, their behaviours show that. Your ex doesn't respect you. He pushed to move in quickly and then treated you and your son and your home with disrespect. He dropped the show and did the minimum possible once he felt he had you locked in. Then he did even less.

You miss what you thought you had. What you had in reality was a guy who was and is looking out for himself and his kids first and foremost. You loved him more than he loved you, he took advantage of that and that's a hard thing to admit.

That he hasn't been actively viewing places and getting ready for a mortgage application during these months means he thought you'd cave. You're not safe with him because he doesn't have your best interests as a priority at all. Your son is not safe with him in the picture either.

As to blocking him, you're not amicable exes who wish each other well. He wants something from you and he's willing to hurt you to get his way. Contact with him costs you unnecessary pain and suffering. Exes go their own ways once they split. They don't keep in contact. Hanging on is not healthy here. It's time to heal and that means he is in the past.

TenTenTenAgain · 17/08/2026 02:30

You're making a mistake not blocking his number.

You also didn't need to know that he'd changed his fb profile pic. He needs blocking there too.

You're hurting yourself op. Love yourself enough to stop doing that.

nolongersurprised · 17/08/2026 04:07

@PithyBeaker I get that you WANT to be at the point when you can be mature and not affected by what he’s up to but you’re not there yet. If you don’t block him there will be pangs, over and over.

Missing him is a form of loving him, and I understand you still want that connection, but, as per pp, he called you a cunt. He’s just not worth it

ThisJadeBear · 17/08/2026 04:55

I have mentioned a friend before and will
do again. One of my closest friends never blocked him. They have lived apart for four years. She said she couldn’t be so hurtful.
They are still doing the dance. They now meet for coffee. She can’t meet anyone else.
She is a shell of a person.
He’s never being violent but constantly berates her over childhood trauma.
My lovely, beautiful friend had to give up her job. Physically poorly. Her family and friends hates him - there is now a wedge between them.
There is no physical relationship just one where he goes in circles and controls her even though he says it’s friendship.
And he still calls her a cunt.

Holdinguphalfthesky · 17/08/2026 07:18

We can spend so long trying to rationalise why someone’s actions don’t match their words that it can eat us up. I remember once I was in a LDR with someone and literally mid-conversation on the phone one evening, he hung up (I thought the signal had dropped) and I didn’t hear from him again for over a week. I had so many stories in my head about why. Then he came back and was sweet and kind, and knowing that he’d had a fuckd-up childhood I created more stories and tied myself in knots about being too much, not enough, too needy, not demonstrative enough, not supportive enough, too demanding… on and on and on. It was exhausting. Did I break up with him? No, I made stories about how patient and understanding I needed to be! I was desperate for him to go back to being the man who’d been overwhelmed at our connection, who’d “never felt like this about anyone before”.

Then my DD’s dad. Again I was exhausted trying to explain away the shitty behaviour to myself. Being a cool girl, not like the other girls. Not being “too much”. Because those were things he’d admired in me before- but he just meant that I was boundary-free and it could always be my fault if his behaviour didn’t meet my expectations- I shouldn’t have expectations!

My own mother once said that to me. She said “I never had any expectations of your dad.” I could see at once that that was bollocks, because of course she had the normal expectations that he would be respectful and kind and faithful, and spend time with her and with the family. (And others besides.) But it’s messages like that which tell girls and young women that we are always going to be too much, it’s always our fault, even when it isn’t.

The film “He’s just not that into you” is pretty shallow but I think it shows up a lot of the thought processes that we can go through at these times. Universal enough that we can recognise some of them.

If he’d been thinking about you, your ex wouldn’t have said any of those things comparing the depth of your feelings to his. He would have said “oh ok, maybe when you’ve unpacked and got back into your routine we can go out for dinner, in a week or so.” Because he would want to give you the space you asked for when you first separated, and to respect your boundaries, your fatigue, your plans. But then if he’d been able to say that, you wouldn’t have had to break up with him in the first place, would you?

There’s nothing wrong with your instincts, @PithyBeaker , but it suits his agenda for you to feel weak, desperate, lonely, and as if you’ll never be happy again. That’s why he keeps returning to this idea that you should be “proving your love for him” by doing what he wants, when he wants, and why he won’t accept the actual demonstrations and proofs of love that you showed while you lived together (and continue to show). If they don’t meet his agenda he won’t admit it as evidence, so nothing you do short of going back to the way things were before will appease him. And if you decide to do that, he will take it as absolute permission and proof that he needn’t bother to consider you, his behaviour is fine and needs no changes, because you are back to obliging him and “you (he) can be happy now”- the fault will (as he said all along) have lain with you.

MeridianB · 17/08/2026 08:07

”the first and only man I ever felt safe enough to remember my childhood with”

And who then taunted you with it, used it to shame you into questioning your judgement on ending the relationship, and shared it with his mother so she could do the same.

He didn’t deserve your trust. You know that now. He’s not the person you thought he was and that’s not your fault. Time to protect yourself from him and his ongoing emotional abuse. 🪷

PithyBeaker · 17/08/2026 09:11

MeridianB · 17/08/2026 08:07

”the first and only man I ever felt safe enough to remember my childhood with”

And who then taunted you with it, used it to shame you into questioning your judgement on ending the relationship, and shared it with his mother so she could do the same.

He didn’t deserve your trust. You know that now. He’s not the person you thought he was and that’s not your fault. Time to protect yourself from him and his ongoing emotional abuse. 🪷

I have blocked him on Signal, which is where he messages me. He didn’t message to be clear but I decided to block after reading all your lovely messages this morning. I’m trying to work out if I need to send a courtesy logistics email but I don’t know…

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LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 17/08/2026 09:23

PithyBeaker · 17/08/2026 09:11

I have blocked him on Signal, which is where he messages me. He didn’t message to be clear but I decided to block after reading all your lovely messages this morning. I’m trying to work out if I need to send a courtesy logistics email but I don’t know…

You owe him nothing. If you give him warning that he's going to be blocked, he will respond by horrible messages or will actively seek another way to contact you. Do not email him

Fleetbug · 17/08/2026 09:31

Pithy he needs to believe his own narrative- that he loves you and right now you are just a bit confused. Everything he says will align with this. That doesn’t make him right though does it.

At the moment you are hurting, and the result is you are listening to his pleas and his rages! But it’s just not worth the effort of analysing what he says or even trying to understand his motives. He’s deceiving himself- and that’s the most generous take. Many here ( including me) would go much further and say he was actively deceiving you for his own ends.
Whether he’s a fool or a liar the result is the same- his words can’t be trusted.
Just seen your update that you are blocking him. That’s a positive step. You are so strong and brave. No need to give a “courtesy “ email. You are just no longer replying or listening to his tactical weaponised pleas.

WonderingAndOverthinking · 17/08/2026 09:31

Of course you don’t need to send an email telling him that you’ve blocked him. He hasn’t contacted you so he won’t know either way. Stop trying to reopen contact with him. It’s only hurting you.

You’ve said that you don’t think he purposely tried to hurt you, he told you he would sleep with other people straight away if you broke up with him. If that’s not trying to hurt you, then I don’t know what is.

I think you really need to reread through your posts as you seem to have lost sight of the events that led you to want to break up with him in the first place.

moderate · 17/08/2026 09:43

PithyBeaker · 17/08/2026 09:11

I have blocked him on Signal, which is where he messages me. He didn’t message to be clear but I decided to block after reading all your lovely messages this morning. I’m trying to work out if I need to send a courtesy logistics email but I don’t know…

You don’t owe him any courtesy and you gave him plenty of time for logistics. Presumably he has your email address in case of emergency anyway. Well done for blocking him!

cowasballerina · 17/08/2026 11:11

I think you really need to reread through your posts as you seem to have lost sight of the events that led you to want to break up with him in the first place.

Pithy would have happily had a non-residential relationship with him, I believe, but he stressed to her that living together (in her house) must be the end result.

nolongersurprised · 17/08/2026 11:14

I do understand that if someone invokes a strong emotional response - in this case, safety- it then feels as though he’s significant, important, special.

But Pithy, he’s not. He ignored you, he disrespected you, he called you a cunt. He’s not the one, even though he seemed like it for a while. Without sounding like a self-help book, you need to find that feeling of safety within yourself. He knows what you want and he’s using it to manipulate you.

WonderingAndOverthinking · 17/08/2026 11:34

cowasballerina · 17/08/2026 11:11

I think you really need to reread through your posts as you seem to have lost sight of the events that led you to want to break up with him in the first place.

Pithy would have happily had a non-residential relationship with him, I believe, but he stressed to her that living together (in her house) must be the end result.

Yes, and she didn’t want that so that’s the end of the relationship.

Anonomoso · 17/08/2026 12:02

PithyBeaker · 17/08/2026 09:11

I have blocked him on Signal, which is where he messages me. He didn’t message to be clear but I decided to block after reading all your lovely messages this morning. I’m trying to work out if I need to send a courtesy logistics email but I don’t know…

If you send an email thats another way of opening up communicating with him. If he were to just read it and think "fine, I'll respect Pithy's wishes now and back off" great, but if he decides to start up a conversation and be abusive by way of words it'll only get inside your head and make you continue questioning yourself.

It's hard, but I think the cut all ties is the only way to get over someone here, especially when he's still behaving as he is towards you.

He's changed his profile picture, out of spite, who knows, so block him and go no contact now, think of that as his way of moving on.

ThisJadeBear · 17/08/2026 12:46

I always repeat access = success.
To someone controlling access and right now it’s him if he gets an email to say he’s blocked he will think…
That photo changed worked. I’ve got a reaction.
And then that leaves him in control to reply or not reply.
He still has access via email and that is a success for him.
It also leaves Pithy wondering - will he reply? If he doesn’t she will be hurt. If he does she will be hurt.
No email? The long road to peace.

moderate · 17/08/2026 12:53

ThisJadeBear · 17/08/2026 12:46

I always repeat access = success.
To someone controlling access and right now it’s him if he gets an email to say he’s blocked he will think…
That photo changed worked. I’ve got a reaction.
And then that leaves him in control to reply or not reply.
He still has access via email and that is a success for him.
It also leaves Pithy wondering - will he reply? If he doesn’t she will be hurt. If he does she will be hurt.
No email? The long road to peace.

All of this, in spades!

outerspacepotato · 17/08/2026 13:06

PithyBeaker · 17/08/2026 09:11

I have blocked him on Signal, which is where he messages me. He didn’t message to be clear but I decided to block after reading all your lovely messages this morning. I’m trying to work out if I need to send a courtesy logistics email but I don’t know…

You don't email people you are blocking to let them know you're blocking them. That's you keeping the contact going and that's you keeping the toxicity in your life. You block them everywhere.

You're not friends. You're no amicable exes. This is someone who is emotionally draining. Contact with him takes away from your life rather than adds to it.

inickedthisname · 17/08/2026 13:36

PithyBeaker · 17/08/2026 09:11

I have blocked him on Signal, which is where he messages me. He didn’t message to be clear but I decided to block after reading all your lovely messages this morning. I’m trying to work out if I need to send a courtesy logistics email but I don’t know…

Logistics for what? Does he still have stuff at your house? If so, I think now is possibly the time to pass this on to a friend to arrange logistics. Let them sort out a time and day and let them let him in when you’re not there. It’s just one manipulation after another to try and get you to house him. And I know you don’t want to see it that way, but if it was you he loved he’d be happy to have a relationship in separate houses (like you would be). But it isn’t you he wants, unfortunately, it’s your accommodation (multiple meanings implied).

This is absolutely in no way a failure on your part. It’s not because you aren’t lovable and only your house can attract someone. It’s his lack, his needs that he puts on others because he can’t support himself - and ultimately it’s his loss.

cowasballerina · 17/08/2026 13:56

But it isn’t you he wants, unfortunately, it’s your accommodation (multiple meanings implied).

Ah, that's clever, and sadly true.

AcrossthePond55 · 17/08/2026 14:31

@PithyBeaker

The point of blocking is that there is no communication between the blocker and the blockee. To send some sort of courtesy "Hey, I've blocked you on Signal but you can contact me on XYZ" (because that is what 'logistics' is) defeats the purpose.

I know what you're doing and I understand it. You feel that you want to keep that teeny crack in the door open 'just in case' he has a personality transplant. But that is not going to happen, lovely, it's really not. And the only way to kill that hope is to slam the door and nail it shut.

You're on the road to recovery, this is just the next step.

WallaceinAnderland · 17/08/2026 16:11

I’m trying to work out if I need to send a courtesy logistics email but I don’t know…

No, just quietly bow out. Don't make a fanfare about it, he doesn't need an announcement.

PissedOffAutistic · 17/08/2026 16:15

He has done such a number on you. You are so very VERY clearly the kindest, least paranoid, most accommodating, most trusting, and generally all-round nice person, and yet this man has you believing the very opposite! I wish I could give you a massive hug and help you to see yourself as we all see you!

pikkumyy77 · 17/08/2026 16:20

Your core is that you are too kind, too trusting, too forgiving, too hard working, too giving in the relationship. The abuse you have endured hasn’t made you selfish, cruel, indifferent, or paranoid.

All of these accusations from him, and your iwn self doubt, are the proof that this was not a good relationship for you. The right man would have increased your confidence, not strip mined it.

Daisymail · 17/08/2026 18:50

TenTenTenAgain · 17/08/2026 02:30

You're making a mistake not blocking his number.

You also didn't need to know that he'd changed his fb profile pic. He needs blocking there too.

You're hurting yourself op. Love yourself enough to stop doing that.

This.

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