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Starting a fourth thread when I hoped three would be enough

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PithyBeaker · 18/05/2026 13:25

really hoped I wouldn’t need this but looks like I do

OP posts:
nolongersurprised · 13/08/2026 22:21

He was the one who ended it, Pithy. He only wants a relationship if his children can live at your house.

If he was a good man who loved you unconditionally he’d appreciate that yes, his 3 underparented kids were A LOT and he’d be happy to be with you on terms you were more comfortable with.

The cynic in me suspects he’s been on the look out for another woman, but is appreciating that - with children in tow - he’s not the catch he thinks he is.

Anonomoso · 13/08/2026 22:24

I had such a lovely time away and now home and feel miserable. Ffs.

Well there you go.
That just shows how much he really thinks of you, it didn't take long for him to bring you down.

He didn't need to say those things, could have said "thought i'd just offer" say hope you enjoyed your holiday and leave it at that, but no, clearly there was an ulterior motive and he turned nasty.

It shows you he's fuming as he still hasn't managed to crack you into letting him move back in and provide a home for him and his DC.

Stay strong, picture what life was like with his DC living there, not him, for a few minutes then put it all out of your mind while continuing to enjoy the peace and quiet.

cowasballerina · 13/08/2026 22:26

Yes he's no catch in his present circumstances. hence still trying to convince you he's all that and a bag of chips!

seanconneryseyebrow · 13/08/2026 22:28

His attitude - I know it hurts - but its good. One of you needs to completely walk away. If it has to be him because you can't then so be it. Hes doing you a massive favour.

Feel so inexpressibly lonely and really feel this was my last chance and I fucked it up bc I’m so distrustful and paranoid that men aren’t to be trusted and if only I had tried harder, etc. Well it isnt your last chance, YOU didn't fuck it up. You were right not to trust him, and you aren't paranoid because he was a shit and you deserved better. You tried longer than you should so trying harder wouldn't have helped.

You can totally be happy if you choose to. Single or with a partner eventually. You got this! x

outerspacepotato · 13/08/2026 22:32

"If your needs ever conflict with his, he is furious. At these times he attacks you as self centered or inflexible "

" At the same time, Demand Man is likely to be furious if anything is demanded of him. Not only are you not supposed to demand any favors, you aren't supposed to ask him to take care of his own obligations."

" But the effects on you of your partner's extreme entitlement can be just as destructive as severe control."

" It's your job to do things for me, including taking care of my responsibilities if I drop the ball. If I'm unhappy with any aspect of my life, whether it has to do with our relationship or not it's your fault."

" I am a very loving and giving partner. You're lucky to have me."

This describes a type of man while he is being abusive."

Do you recognize Ex?

What you just experienced was emotional abuse and emotional blackmail from him.

It's time to read Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft. It's available as a free PDF online.

Sorry you came back to his bullshit.

You've been split for a couple of months and he's still making demands of you and getting mean and vicious when you don't jump to his tune. Sure, he'd give you a ride but he'd be badgering you and you know it. Your son also shouldn't be seeing or exposed to that bullshit. He needs to detox from the poor example ex has set for him.

Ex's end game here is to get he and his kids back into your home and he's shown himself willing to ride roughshod over you and your son to get back in. This is more of the same.

I'm in the US and love languages is some very nasty patriarchal fundamentalist bullshit that doesn't hold up under studies or scrutiny. I find men who use that as a relationship framework to get what they want extremely problematic.

Mix56 · 13/08/2026 22:38

Well you recently had a pretender, but as Ass hat was still under your skin, you didn't pursue the possibility. So you know this is not true.
You wanted a relationship with ExP in a live-apart relationship, because when he lived there he took you completely for granted. sponged off you, was rude, lazy & let his kids run amok.
He doesn't want a relationship with You, as all he really wants is the comfort of your money, home, & step parenting skills.
Let Go

Doubledenim305 · 13/08/2026 22:38

So lovely to have you back! Don't be deceived by your momentary feelings. Put this in perspective. You enjoyed a lovely two weeks without him. Result! You didn't want him to pick you up. Result! You wanted a peaceful evening. Result!
Then he spoke to you...told you how you are damaged goods. Unworthy and incapable of love. And look how you feel now. Depressed/sad/damaged goods/unworthy of love and certainly never capable of finding or maintaining love. 🤔
Listen Pithy, you are a clever and able woman. Think about it. Everything was good until he spoke to you and then you are in the pit of despair.
Doesn't that tell you something. Like he might be toxic?
Ask yourself... If he hadn't spoken to you, would you be feeling like this.
I get you. I get the attachment and the good times. But really, he is poisonous for your MH. He's a bad un. He really just cares about himself and is punishing you for not giving him what he wants and thinks he deserves. I mean he's tried all the love hilanguages and still u not letting him in. Eugh 🤢 vile. Honestly. I'm dealing with very very similar.
They want what they want. And they see you as who is going to give it to them so they do what they think they need to do to get the key to unlock their provision. Then they stop doing it once they are in
Not nice. And takes years for it all to play out.
Time to cut him off completely and give yourself a detox from this man and his hold over you.

notretiredyet01 · 13/08/2026 22:57

PithyBeaker · 13/08/2026 21:51

Hi everyone, home after a lovely almost two weeks away and back to reality. Just thought you’d all be happy to hear that today a final line was drawn. He offered to come get us from the station and I realised that I would rather pay 30 quid for a taxi and have a peaceful night on my own. Even after not seeing him for this long and even after a long hot day of travel. The thought of having to have any kind of conversation about our relationship felt too exhausting to bear. So then he was like well, im not trying to fix anything anymore, its obvious you don’t give a shit and haven’t missed me. He really has me convinced that this is all my fault, I’m way too fucked up to be in a relationship, he’s a good man, has done everything he possibly could to convince me in all the love languages blablabla. He’s like, well, I’ve tried. Actually, I think he has just realised that he is never going to get what he wants again from me and is cutting his losses. Feel so devastated. I know what you’re all going to say but still. Five years, good times, etc. We had good years. I must remember how it felt when he called me a cunt. I’m so lost and sad. Feel so inexpressibly lonely and really feel this was my last chance and I fucked it up bc I’m so distrustful and paranoid that men aren’t to be trusted and if only I had tried harder, etc. I had such a lovely time away and now home and feel miserable. Ffs.

I understand that you feel like this about its all your fault (etc) but you know its not true, dont you? In your head, at least, if not in your heart, yet?
We should be able to be ourselves in a relationship, not be the one always straining to be "better" because the other says we should be. I mean if they really think you arent good enough, why dont they end it?
It natural to be miserable and unhappy at the end of a relationship -
the loss of what was, the loss of what you had hoped for, the loss of a potential future - and you will be grieving these things. But you are not in the wrong or at fault, even if he makes you feel that way. You had ended up in a horrible situation that was really bad for you and your son. You changed the situation when he wouldnt work with you on it. Now as his first set of tactics have failed to get uou to see things his way he is trying anger. But you dont have to absorb his feelings. He is trying to convince you he is right, but a) you don't have to believe him and b) you dont have to convince him you are right in turn. You are doing amazingly well. Just imagine a big Teflon sheet over you and let all the rubbish he is spewing over you and projecting onto you wash off.

PithyBeaker · 13/08/2026 23:27

Doubledenim305 · 13/08/2026 22:38

So lovely to have you back! Don't be deceived by your momentary feelings. Put this in perspective. You enjoyed a lovely two weeks without him. Result! You didn't want him to pick you up. Result! You wanted a peaceful evening. Result!
Then he spoke to you...told you how you are damaged goods. Unworthy and incapable of love. And look how you feel now. Depressed/sad/damaged goods/unworthy of love and certainly never capable of finding or maintaining love. 🤔
Listen Pithy, you are a clever and able woman. Think about it. Everything was good until he spoke to you and then you are in the pit of despair.
Doesn't that tell you something. Like he might be toxic?
Ask yourself... If he hadn't spoken to you, would you be feeling like this.
I get you. I get the attachment and the good times. But really, he is poisonous for your MH. He's a bad un. He really just cares about himself and is punishing you for not giving him what he wants and thinks he deserves. I mean he's tried all the love hilanguages and still u not letting him in. Eugh 🤢 vile. Honestly. I'm dealing with very very similar.
They want what they want. And they see you as who is going to give it to them so they do what they think they need to do to get the key to unlock their provision. Then they stop doing it once they are in
Not nice. And takes years for it all to play out.
Time to cut him off completely and give yourself a detox from this man and his hold over you.

Thank you to everyone pointing to this as a result. What @Doubledenim305 said: “Result! You didn't want him to pick you up. Result! You wanted a peaceful evening. Result!”

true. And I can’t remember who it was above who said the healing starts now. Great!!! Bring it on. Feel very raw and unhealed.

OP posts:
PithyBeaker · 13/08/2026 23:29

outerspacepotato · 13/08/2026 22:32

"If your needs ever conflict with his, he is furious. At these times he attacks you as self centered or inflexible "

" At the same time, Demand Man is likely to be furious if anything is demanded of him. Not only are you not supposed to demand any favors, you aren't supposed to ask him to take care of his own obligations."

" But the effects on you of your partner's extreme entitlement can be just as destructive as severe control."

" It's your job to do things for me, including taking care of my responsibilities if I drop the ball. If I'm unhappy with any aspect of my life, whether it has to do with our relationship or not it's your fault."

" I am a very loving and giving partner. You're lucky to have me."

This describes a type of man while he is being abusive."

Do you recognize Ex?

What you just experienced was emotional abuse and emotional blackmail from him.

It's time to read Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft. It's available as a free PDF online.

Sorry you came back to his bullshit.

You've been split for a couple of months and he's still making demands of you and getting mean and vicious when you don't jump to his tune. Sure, he'd give you a ride but he'd be badgering you and you know it. Your son also shouldn't be seeing or exposed to that bullshit. He needs to detox from the poor example ex has set for him.

Ex's end game here is to get he and his kids back into your home and he's shown himself willing to ride roughshod over you and your son to get back in. This is more of the same.

I'm in the US and love languages is some very nasty patriarchal fundamentalist bullshit that doesn't hold up under studies or scrutiny. I find men who use that as a relationship framework to get what they want extremely problematic.

I don’t know about all this… he loves when I need him or ask a favour. Loves to be needed. And whoever it was who said he never said he misses me is wrong too, he has said it a lot (ad nauseam) but it always reads as moping and misery-farming

OP posts:
Anonomoso · 13/08/2026 23:32

Not that we can sit face to face a chat away with a cuppa in hand but when you're feeling low pop on here and they'll always be someone to offer their ears and straighten your crown for you.

AcrossthePond55 · 13/08/2026 23:33

@PithyBeaker

Hey, you'll get through this. I think the first thing you need to try to really 'take in' is that the reason he ended it with you was because you weren't going to give him what he wanted. And that was a return to your home being wrecked, your peace being destroyed, and your needs and concerns being callously disregarded. So it's not because of anything you've actually 'done wrong', because you have done a single thing wrong. You are entitled to a nice home, a measure of peace in your life, and your needs and concerns being given due attention.

I think you were holding on to 'maybe.....' as a life ring and he's jerked it away from you and has swum away with it. But you know what? You can swim, too!!! You've been treading water these last months holding tight to that ring , but now it's time to head for shore under your own power.

So, even though you're entitled to a period of grieving, please keep your eyes on the things I've mentioned. You're going to be OK.

2Rebecca · 13/08/2026 23:44

I said he never told you he missed you without also turning that in to a way to make you feel bad. So he doesn’t say “ I have really missed you but I understand that I treated you badly and I let my children mess up your house. I hope you had a great holiday. What did you do? I have been doing x y and z”
all his interactions seem to have him needing to denigrate you in some way. He can’t just say he misses you and just let that be a fact, it has to be your fault

Doubledenim305 · 13/08/2026 23:48

He just needs to take ownership and say sorry for treating you like 💩. He needs to own what he did that forced your hand to create the situation that he finds so intolerable. But no..it's all about your malfunctioning which has pushed away this prince among men (to coin a mn phrase)..
I mean wake up...he wanted your house when you were gone. He's AWFUL!
You might just need a good sleep OP and everything will seem better in the morning..x

outerspacepotato · 14/08/2026 00:03

PithyBeaker · 13/08/2026 23:29

I don’t know about all this… he loves when I need him or ask a favour. Loves to be needed. And whoever it was who said he never said he misses me is wrong too, he has said it a lot (ad nauseam) but it always reads as moping and misery-farming

Then why didn't he bring you coffee? Or take walks with you? Or clean in a timely manner when his kids tore up your home? Or stop them from doing it in the first place?

He likes you indebted to him for being nice. He's got a transactional mindset. He doesn't give for the pleasure of giving, he gives and he gets.

This

If I'm unhappy with any aspect of my life, whether it has to do with our relationship or not it's your fault.

is what he's doing with you now. If he can't have what he wants, it's your fault. You aren't even in a relationship now and he's guilting you about that by emotional blackmail. He was the one who refused to continue it while living apart. He was the one who dropped the ball and he's got you twisted up taking the blame for he and his kids overwhelming you, your son, and your home.

Of course he misses you. You made his life pleasant and functional. You provided the roomy home and the cleaning lady who cleaned after his kids trashed it. He took you for granted because he thought you were so in love you would put up with anything. You bring a lot to the table and he felt and still feels entitled to that. He felt entitled to your house when you went away. That entitlement isn't going to change.

If he loved you, every interaction with him would not leave you feeling miserable. That's toxicity at work.

FlowerUser · 14/08/2026 00:04

PithyBeaker · 13/08/2026 23:29

I don’t know about all this… he loves when I need him or ask a favour. Loves to be needed. And whoever it was who said he never said he misses me is wrong too, he has said it a lot (ad nauseam) but it always reads as moping and misery-farming

Let’s unpick this.

1 You went on holiday and refused to give him the keys to your house. So he was already furious from two weeks ago you didn’t fall for his months of wheedling trying to get back in your house that’s just crying out to be filled, and he’s got the children who are so cramped in his tiny flat that he hasn’t managed to move out of.

2 You blocked him all holiday so he wasn’t able to continue the wheedling and manipulation, and he made a plan that he would offer to pick you up from the airport because he is such a lovely guy, and it’s the love language of acts of service. Just as an aside, so is bringing you coffee in bed, and we know how long that lasted. In reality, he knew he had the length of the car journey to persuade you to be back in contact and ultimately back in your house. And you refused, and he knew the game was up. If he couldn’t show you the fake lovely boyfriend, he couldn’t start up the relationship again.

3 You refused for very good reasons. And he had a choice at this point. He could have thought, of course, what a fool I am, pithy is tired and fed up after the journey and needs her space, and I should let her do her thing and wait for her to call or I’ll call or text tomorrow.

4 He didn’t do that. He wasn’t thinking about you or your needs. What he said was, well, im not trying to fix anything anymore, its obvious you don’t give a shit and haven’t missed me. These are not the words of a good man, or a man worth caring about. These are the words of a whiny little boy who can’t get his own way. Emotional blackmail, selfishness, and lying because if he was trying to fix it he should have done better. It’s all about him and what you should do for him, not you and what he should do for you.

5 He really has me convinced that this is all my fault, I’m way too fucked up to be in a relationship, he’s a good man, has done everything he possibly could to convince me in all the love languages blablabla. He’s like, well, I’ve tried. Yes, he has done that because he’s a manipulator. But just in these words you can see that he’s had to convince you. Good men don’t do that, they show by their actions that they’re good men.

6 And here you nail it, Actually, I think he has just realised that he is never going to get what he wants again from me and is cutting his losses. Yes, he’s finally realised that he’s never getting back in your house, so he’s off. If he wanted the live apart relationship you hoped for, he would stop whining about the house and prove how great he is by trying to make a live apart relationship work. And he’s probably angry that he spent months arguing with you, because now he really does have to find somewhere else to live, and try and find a partner with a big house who’ll let his kids move in. Frankly, she’d be welcome to him in my book.

7 Feel so devastated. Of course, because there is a realisation that he wanted your house not you, that he wasn’t the great guy you thought you were throwing away. He’s a manipulating bastard like all the other manipulating bastards. He wasn’t offering you a relationship on your terms, it was his way or nothing. You stood your ground and stood in your power and he couldn’t get past you. And he made it feel like it was your fault.

Of course you’re devastated, because you’re grieving the relationship that could have been, and realising the relationship wasn’t what you thought in the first place. It’s a bereavement. And I’m so so sorry he did that to you. You don’t deserve it.

ItsNotPithysFaultHerExIsAnArsehole · 14/08/2026 00:58

Nothing much to add following some very wise posts decoding what's been happening, but I wanted to add a post just so my username appears on the thread again to remind you that it's really not!

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 14/08/2026 01:17

PithyBeaker · 13/08/2026 23:29

I don’t know about all this… he loves when I need him or ask a favour. Loves to be needed. And whoever it was who said he never said he misses me is wrong too, he has said it a lot (ad nauseam) but it always reads as moping and misery-farming

Exactly. He "needed" to pick you up. You said no. He threw a massive strop.

It's all about him. Christ he's a bell end.

moderate · 14/08/2026 01:54

PithyBeaker · 13/08/2026 21:51

Hi everyone, home after a lovely almost two weeks away and back to reality. Just thought you’d all be happy to hear that today a final line was drawn. He offered to come get us from the station and I realised that I would rather pay 30 quid for a taxi and have a peaceful night on my own. Even after not seeing him for this long and even after a long hot day of travel. The thought of having to have any kind of conversation about our relationship felt too exhausting to bear. So then he was like well, im not trying to fix anything anymore, its obvious you don’t give a shit and haven’t missed me. He really has me convinced that this is all my fault, I’m way too fucked up to be in a relationship, he’s a good man, has done everything he possibly could to convince me in all the love languages blablabla. He’s like, well, I’ve tried. Actually, I think he has just realised that he is never going to get what he wants again from me and is cutting his losses. Feel so devastated. I know what you’re all going to say but still. Five years, good times, etc. We had good years. I must remember how it felt when he called me a cunt. I’m so lost and sad. Feel so inexpressibly lonely and really feel this was my last chance and I fucked it up bc I’m so distrustful and paranoid that men aren’t to be trusted and if only I had tried harder, etc. I had such a lovely time away and now home and feel miserable. Ffs.

Feel so inexpressibly lonely and really feel this was my last chance and I fucked it up bc I’m so distrustful and paranoid that men aren’t to be trusted and if only I had tried harder, etc. I had such a lovely time away

I hope you understand that the lovely time you had away is what is real, and the shit he’s put you through since is what’s not.

WaryHiker · 14/08/2026 02:14

@PithyBeaker Glad you had a nice time away. Sorry the end of your holiday was tainted by this selfish manchild.

I once saw a therapist who gave me a great technique for dealing with this kind of situation. Mine wasn't a breakup, but it had a similar lingering effect. She told me to think about the mantra they teach people at AA.

Apparently, they tell recovering alcoholics to "think the drink through." It's a really effective way of bypassing that moment when the brain is clamouring for its fix and telling itself that everything will be okay if they can just get the thing their brain believes it needs. Instead, they have to sit for a few moments and think slowly and logically about what will happen the second after they take that drink, the minute after they take it, the hour after they take it etc.

In your case, I would advise you to do something similar. Sit for a while each day and "think the drink through". Imagine that you are at a very low point, missing your ex and wondering whether you have done the right thing. You feel as though you have miserably and permanently screwed up your life and made a massive mistake.

That's fine. Give yourself mental permission to take that first drink ie: call him and relieve that immediate pain by telling him you will get back together with a view to him and his children moving back in in a few months' time. Allow yourself to feel the lovely relaxing emotion as your brain gets that instant relief from the painful feelings it is currently experiencing.

Stay in that feeling and start thinking the drink through in small chunks of time, while listening very carefully to your body and what it is saying to you. Imagine his car pulling up, and him and his children getting out with all their luggage. They walk up your garden path, and you open the door to them. They burst inside, race upstairs to the rooms you have had to clear out for them, dump all their stuff, and start fighting.

Where are you feeling that in your body? How do you feel when you realise there is no going back from this one? You can't throw them out again without a massive amount of upheaval and pain, so you and your ex both know that you are pretty much stuck with it, no matter how badly things slip.

How about your ex? What is he doing while his children rampage about the house? No doubt he'll be telling you how happy he is that you have finally come to your senses and allowed them back into your space. There will be a certain amount of martyish reproach in his expression as he offers to switch the kettle on and make you a cup of coffee. But, being the good man he is, he's prepared to overlook it this time, as long as you don't behave in his words like "a cunt" again.

Move forward to your son coming home from his father's house or school and walking into that previously peaceful, clean, ordered environment and realising you have again allowed to be invaded by this man and his sons and there's absolutely nothing he can do about it.

Do that often enough, and you will be able to conjure up that physical feeling in seconds, rather than having to think it through step by step. Hold on to that feeling and internalise it. Every single time this man contacts you with a demand, a fresh argument, or a plea, go straight to that place and allow your body to feel all those sensations again. Every time you are sitting alone in the evening and wondering whether you have stuffed up your life, go to the same place and feel the same feelings.

I would honestly be massively surprised if, after doing this for a while, you don't feel an instinctive sense of revulsion each time he either suggests or you consider continuing a relationship with them all. On the other hand, a year from now, your life could be in tatters again and your mental health seriously affected simply because you failed to "think the drink through".

Sandunesandseashells · 14/08/2026 07:45

ItsNotPithysFaultHerExIsAnArsehole · 14/08/2026 00:58

Nothing much to add following some very wise posts decoding what's been happening, but I wanted to add a post just so my username appears on the thread again to remind you that it's really not!

Loving your user name 💕

PithyBeaker · 14/08/2026 08:21

Sandunesandseashells · 14/08/2026 07:45

Loving your user name 💕

Me too 🥹❤️

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PithyBeaker · 14/08/2026 08:23

WaryHiker · 14/08/2026 02:14

@PithyBeaker Glad you had a nice time away. Sorry the end of your holiday was tainted by this selfish manchild.

I once saw a therapist who gave me a great technique for dealing with this kind of situation. Mine wasn't a breakup, but it had a similar lingering effect. She told me to think about the mantra they teach people at AA.

Apparently, they tell recovering alcoholics to "think the drink through." It's a really effective way of bypassing that moment when the brain is clamouring for its fix and telling itself that everything will be okay if they can just get the thing their brain believes it needs. Instead, they have to sit for a few moments and think slowly and logically about what will happen the second after they take that drink, the minute after they take it, the hour after they take it etc.

In your case, I would advise you to do something similar. Sit for a while each day and "think the drink through". Imagine that you are at a very low point, missing your ex and wondering whether you have done the right thing. You feel as though you have miserably and permanently screwed up your life and made a massive mistake.

That's fine. Give yourself mental permission to take that first drink ie: call him and relieve that immediate pain by telling him you will get back together with a view to him and his children moving back in in a few months' time. Allow yourself to feel the lovely relaxing emotion as your brain gets that instant relief from the painful feelings it is currently experiencing.

Stay in that feeling and start thinking the drink through in small chunks of time, while listening very carefully to your body and what it is saying to you. Imagine his car pulling up, and him and his children getting out with all their luggage. They walk up your garden path, and you open the door to them. They burst inside, race upstairs to the rooms you have had to clear out for them, dump all their stuff, and start fighting.

Where are you feeling that in your body? How do you feel when you realise there is no going back from this one? You can't throw them out again without a massive amount of upheaval and pain, so you and your ex both know that you are pretty much stuck with it, no matter how badly things slip.

How about your ex? What is he doing while his children rampage about the house? No doubt he'll be telling you how happy he is that you have finally come to your senses and allowed them back into your space. There will be a certain amount of martyish reproach in his expression as he offers to switch the kettle on and make you a cup of coffee. But, being the good man he is, he's prepared to overlook it this time, as long as you don't behave in his words like "a cunt" again.

Move forward to your son coming home from his father's house or school and walking into that previously peaceful, clean, ordered environment and realising you have again allowed to be invaded by this man and his sons and there's absolutely nothing he can do about it.

Do that often enough, and you will be able to conjure up that physical feeling in seconds, rather than having to think it through step by step. Hold on to that feeling and internalise it. Every single time this man contacts you with a demand, a fresh argument, or a plea, go straight to that place and allow your body to feel all those sensations again. Every time you are sitting alone in the evening and wondering whether you have stuffed up your life, go to the same place and feel the same feelings.

I would honestly be massively surprised if, after doing this for a while, you don't feel an instinctive sense of revulsion each time he either suggests or you consider continuing a relationship with them all. On the other hand, a year from now, your life could be in tatters again and your mental health seriously affected simply because you failed to "think the drink through".

I do this a lot actually. Imagine how it would feel to have the kids move back into the house, how it would feel to listen to him whine at me about how our relationship ending was my fault for not putting in the effort to rebuild, how it would feel to have him in my space when I’m tired, hot, been travelling, etc. It gets a visceral gut no. Like yesterday, I just couldn’t face it.

OP posts:
PithyBeaker · 14/08/2026 08:29

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 14/08/2026 01:17

Exactly. He "needed" to pick you up. You said no. He threw a massive strop.

It's all about him. Christ he's a bell end.

This. He was like “I can’t believe you won’t let me see you after two weeks away” and “you don’t care about me at all” and “this proves it”. It’s true that I have mentally thrown the towel in, I think. I just feel like he unpicked so much love and trust, how could I rebuild it? Certainly not alone and since April he’s worked so hard to push me away more by how he acted initially when I asked him to move out (he says he was “in shock” so that’s why he said the nasty things he said) and since then by continuing to double down on this being because of my issues with being unable to trust men. I don’t know, maybe he’s right. Maybe I don’t trust men and this is why everything fell apart, slowly, over time. I don’t know. Feel sad this morning but there’s no going back now so I guess just onwards…

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PithyBeaker · 14/08/2026 08:31

outerspacepotato · 14/08/2026 00:03

Then why didn't he bring you coffee? Or take walks with you? Or clean in a timely manner when his kids tore up your home? Or stop them from doing it in the first place?

He likes you indebted to him for being nice. He's got a transactional mindset. He doesn't give for the pleasure of giving, he gives and he gets.

This

If I'm unhappy with any aspect of my life, whether it has to do with our relationship or not it's your fault.

is what he's doing with you now. If he can't have what he wants, it's your fault. You aren't even in a relationship now and he's guilting you about that by emotional blackmail. He was the one who refused to continue it while living apart. He was the one who dropped the ball and he's got you twisted up taking the blame for he and his kids overwhelming you, your son, and your home.

Of course he misses you. You made his life pleasant and functional. You provided the roomy home and the cleaning lady who cleaned after his kids trashed it. He took you for granted because he thought you were so in love you would put up with anything. You bring a lot to the table and he felt and still feels entitled to that. He felt entitled to your house when you went away. That entitlement isn't going to change.

If he loved you, every interaction with him would not leave you feeling miserable. That's toxicity at work.

Every interaction leaves me feeling sad. Bingo.

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