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Starting a fourth thread when I hoped three would be enough

490 replies

PithyBeaker · 18/05/2026 13:25

really hoped I wouldn’t need this but looks like I do

OP posts:
diddl · 31/07/2026 18:50

He doesn't need to swap cars at your house.

PithyBeaker · 31/07/2026 18:51

diddl · 31/07/2026 18:50

He doesn't need to swap cars at your house.

Apparently insurance require that to be the drop off point as it’s his address on his licence. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I’m not in insurance but I believe this is probably true

OP posts:
cowasballerina · 31/07/2026 18:53

He could get a £1000 fine for not changing his address on his licence.

MaryBeery · 31/07/2026 18:54

PithyBeaker · 31/07/2026 18:44

He didn’t ask to stay. He needs to swap cars at my house (long story: insurance gave him a rental bc someone crashed into him and his car getting fixed, my address still on his licence) and he wanted to wait inside rather than sit in the driveway. He would not have asked to stay, that would have been bonkers.

Well that's convenient for him, isn't it? Why hasn't he updated the address on his licence, because he's hoping to worm his way back in perhaps?

PithyBeaker · 31/07/2026 18:56

cowasballerina · 31/07/2026 18:53

He could get a £1000 fine for not changing his address on his licence.

Oh cool thanks that’s super helpful 🙄🙄🙄

OP posts:
WonderingAndOverthinking · 31/07/2026 18:57

MaryBeery · 31/07/2026 18:54

Well that's convenient for him, isn't it? Why hasn't he updated the address on his licence, because he's hoping to worm his way back in perhaps?

Because he’ll be back there in a couple of months 👍

PithyBeaker · 31/07/2026 18:57

MaryBeery · 31/07/2026 18:54

Well that's convenient for him, isn't it? Why hasn't he updated the address on his licence, because he's hoping to worm his way back in perhaps?

Ugh yes it’s a PITA but also not my main concern. I’ve already told him he needs to change it and no he can’t sit on my sofa and use my WiFi while he waits. Enough. This is not the main issue.

OP posts:
diddl · 31/07/2026 18:59

PithyBeaker · 31/07/2026 18:51

Apparently insurance require that to be the drop off point as it’s his address on his licence. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I’m not in insurance but I believe this is probably true

I didn't think so.

Either way that's his problem to resolve.

seanconneryseyebrow · 31/07/2026 19:00

PithyBeaker · 31/07/2026 18:47

Thank you. This was a really helpful comment. How did you eventually realise this: “ I realised if I went back it would be even worse, not better”

Because I had moved out with the kids, and we were still in limbo (sleeping together, fighting, seeing each other - on/off on/off - we even dated other people). He kept saying he wanted to make it work, be a family again, was desperate for that, loved me soooo much - and I said i wouldn't even consider it unless we had counselling. I mean I know now that wouldn't even work because he was really abusive, but I couldn't see that at the time. If I had given in at any point, knowing his character, he would have held it against me forever. He was very dominant and controlling when we were married and under one roof, and put me down a lot - i was the 'crazy' one. So I just knew I could never move back in and get back together because then our 'home' would be even more his and hed be even more sneery and domineering than before. Took me about a year to realise this. And several more to get over the trauma bond. I was quite a mess - but in my case there were kids involved and a lot of abuse of every kind to unpick and get over - and also I had to coparent with the prick.

You can walk away with a clean slate if you want to. I hope just knowing that gives you some strength even if you dont choose to. Given where you are, I dont think you can cope with no contact can you? Maybe suggest a break? 1 week/1 month - whatever you find bearable.

Its hard because I was utterly addicted to my ex. Having just a day not having some sort of contact was hard. FWIW I look at him now and think wtf! ewww. lol. Whatever you are feeling - true love/trauma bond - it all feels utterly awful and painful at the end of the day. I just got to the point where I the pain was worse having contact than not, and I got a friend to deal with the handovers. Then one day it was like the spell was broken. Won't lie it felt AWESOME!

PithyBeaker · 31/07/2026 19:01

diddl · 31/07/2026 18:59

I didn't think so.

Either way that's his problem to resolve.

Absolutely. I have said this.

OP posts:
cowasballerina · 31/07/2026 19:05

Then one day it was like the spell was broken.

Isn't this something to do with brain chemistry changing, once the NC is firmly established?

seanconneryseyebrow · 31/07/2026 19:09

@cowasballerina I cant say for sure, but I am convinced that for me I HAD to go no contact. I actually read something about 30 day no contact rule, and did that, then I went and did more and more. He did what I think pithy's fella is doing - using any excuse for contact. I suspect the car is part of that. I wouldn't call it manipulative per se like others are saying - I think both of them are probably finding excuses to be near one another, because there are still feels. I believe my ex did this heaps when I was past it and he made my life very difficult but I think his motives were just to get close to me at any cost. But yeh, I do think no contact for a long time did the job.

FlowerUser · 31/07/2026 19:12

PithyBeaker · 31/07/2026 18:44

He didn’t ask to stay. He needs to swap cars at my house (long story: insurance gave him a rental bc someone crashed into him and his car getting fixed, my address still on his licence) and he wanted to wait inside rather than sit in the driveway. He would not have asked to stay, that would have been bonkers.

You do know that he would absolutely move the kids in while you’re away and probably make a copy of the key while he’s at it.

This is the equivalent of “just the tip”.

FlowerUser · 31/07/2026 19:15

PithyBeaker · 31/07/2026 19:01

Absolutely. I have said this.

It does also invalidate his insurance that he hasn’t changed the address on his licence, and I would imagine he hasn’t changed the address on the car’s logbook either. Presumably they must be insuring the car at your address. Location matters for insurance purposes.

seanconneryseyebrow · 31/07/2026 19:15

I think he just still wants a link to the OP - as she does. Im not saying hes not a giant bellend, but I think they just are finding ways to keep a link to one another. Op as well. Sorry OP if that offends you, but I think you know what I mean.

Littlejellyuk · 31/07/2026 19:15

PithyBeaker · 31/07/2026 17:01

Why? Because the idea that what if I shut the door and he really does love me and really does want to change and we could have got back the happy times if only I tried a bit more, explained a bit more, then maybe he will eventually accept living separately without insisting he needs more, etc etc etc is torment. I know it’s objectively stupid. But it’s so easy to say that looking in.

Being with this man was akin to drinking from a poisoned chalice. You are still thirsty and it will be a prolonged agony of torment the longer you two are in contact 💯
You know what you need to do.
You don't feel ready to make that break yet, and I can understand that.

It's the 'what if?' Epiphany moment happens and he really does love me and will live up to the potentially great guy I knew he can be and change for me.

But this alas will never happen. 😔
You know this deep down, but don't want to let go.
Letting go means admitting that he doesn't care enough or love anyone enough to change.
And he never will.
That is no reflection on you.
He will do this to his next victim.
He will spin his web of deceit.
He loves himself more than anyone else.

you cannot cure a selfish man, same way you cannot cure a lazy man.
He is both.
It's not that you are unlovable @PithyBeaker
On the contrary, you are a wonderful strong astute, female, who now has her own moniker on here of 'what would pithy do?' 🏅
You have been legendary.
But now the chapter needs to finish and the book needs to end, but you cannot finish this story whilst your heart is wrestling with your head.

Your comment of:
if only I tried a bit more, explained a bit more, then maybe he will eventually accept living separately without insisting he needs more etc.
This 👆 is self-flagellation. You are self whipping.

You know deep down this is who he will ever be.
We cannot make this man grown up. He is who he is.
The frog and the scorpion fable again springs to mind.
He will just continue to sting you.
Put down the whip.
Put down the phone to him.
Go cold turkey from the drug that is Mr devil dick. 😈
Your mental health and (eventually) your heart will thank you for it.

Edited to add: I hope you and your son have a wonderful holiday xx

inickedthisname · 31/07/2026 19:16

It took me years to get over a toxic relationship. I wish I could say I was strong and moved on, but I wasn’t. He toyed with me for years, knowing I would take him back if he committed to me. I was so blinded by my feelings for him. And he was so abusive. I look back now at the time I wasted. Wishing things could be different, wishing he would change his mind. I can’t believe it was me. But I hadn’t learnt about abusive relationships and how they’re all the same. And they all follow the same patterns and they never, ever change.

WinterSunglasses · 31/07/2026 19:19

PithyBeaker · 31/07/2026 18:51

Apparently insurance require that to be the drop off point as it’s his address on his licence. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I’m not in insurance but I believe this is probably true

None of this matters, but I am doubtful as your insurance company only know what you tell them about your licence. But they do have the address on your policy as the place where it's assumed the car is usually kept overnight. That's what he hasn't updated, and he can't now tell them he doesn't live there anymore as that may invalidate his claim. Not that he was probably planning to, since he is assuming a few more weeks and months of bullying OP will get him back there. Watch out for paperwork arriving about this. In contrast, changing your licence address is easy and while you theoretically can get fined, it's counter productive of DVLA to do so as you've then given them the correct information. I know a few people who've done it years late and not been fined, just got a new licence in the post.

Anyway, all that pales into comparison next to his weapons-grade entitlement to you, your time and your stuff. You must still feel a lot of guilt and self doubt OP, to not have told him to go to hell for his outrageous nerve.

seanconneryseyebrow · 31/07/2026 19:22

inickedthisname · 31/07/2026 19:16

It took me years to get over a toxic relationship. I wish I could say I was strong and moved on, but I wasn’t. He toyed with me for years, knowing I would take him back if he committed to me. I was so blinded by my feelings for him. And he was so abusive. I look back now at the time I wasted. Wishing things could be different, wishing he would change his mind. I can’t believe it was me. But I hadn’t learnt about abusive relationships and how they’re all the same. And they all follow the same patterns and they never, ever change.

Same. I cringe at my behaviour and desperation and the efforts I made to 'make it work'. It all kinda came back recently when I got with my current partner - who is my first serious partner since who I love very much. It is just so healthy and easy. Im not bending myself into a pretzel - its literally no effort. He just a wonderful man who treats me right - and I him. Its simple, and wonderful. The experience, although amazing, has brought back what an absolute fool I was and how many years I just utterly wasted of my life. I never knew relationships could be so easy.

I really should know better - Im 52 ffs!

FlowerUser · 31/07/2026 19:24

PithyBeaker · 31/07/2026 18:51

Apparently insurance require that to be the drop off point as it’s his address on his licence. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I’m not in insurance but I believe this is probably true

This is not true. Not only is it not true, it doesn’t make sense.

My DH crashed the car and we rented a car via the garage. So we swapped cars at the garage. Another time my car was written off and I rented a car from the dealer while my new car was being prepared. Again, returned the car to the dealer when I picked up my car.

inickedthisname · 31/07/2026 19:30

Absolutely, cringe. He used to insult me all the time - my character, my tastes - everything. And I was like a puppy or something wanting to be whatever he wanted and never living up to it. He’d hurt me and then he’d blame me for having done it and leave, and I’d beg him to come back.

I have since gone through the freedom project and learnt about the underlying sameness of it all. Better late than never! Glad you found a good one now!

seanconneryseyebrow · 31/07/2026 19:32

Oh god thats awful and I can so relate. I did the freedom project too - eye opening.

inickedthisname · 31/07/2026 19:32

Just to say Pithy, it is not that you are not worth his effort. I know how bad your self esteem must be to be waiting around for him after everything he’s shown you about who he really is. It’s not at all on you, any of this. And I hope you don’t take offence to me saying that about your self esteem, again, that’s not a reflection of your worth either.

FlowerUser · 31/07/2026 19:33

I want to remind you of the text you sent him on the 18 May, which you graciously shared with us on the same day at the beginning of this thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/relationships/5531394-starting-a-fourth-thread-when-i-hoped-three-would-be-enough?reply=152393807

I have thought about this and I believe this relationship has run its course. We aren’t good for each other anymore and we have no future as a couple. You spend every spare ounce of your energy trying to break me down and convince me to let you move back in eventually, even though I’ve been so clear it’s not what I want or need. I’ve had enough. Staying in contact with you has brought me no peace or comfort, rather the opposite, and I must prioritise my own peace and comfort. You can collect the rest of your possessions on Wednesday or Thursday this week, between 12-2, as you prefer. Please don’t respond except to let me know Wednesday or Thursday. I wish nothing but peace, joy and happiness to you and your family. I feel confident in time we will all be happier for this, however hard it is now.

(my bold)

Here we are two and a half months later and he is still trying to break you down and convince you to let him move back in eventually.

He hasn’t changed at all. 💐

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seanconneryseyebrow · 31/07/2026 19:34

I relate so much to the put downs @inickedthisname One of my aha moments when I decided to leave was when my son said, 'Dad really doesnt like you does he mum?'. I knew then I had to leave. Didn't stop me fannying about for ages after with him though sadly.