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DP hates children

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conflicted84 · 22/07/2025 23:45

Repost, with full text this time.

I (male, 41) have been with my OH (female, 37) for over 7 years now.

Early on she made it very clear she didn't want children and that was OK with me as I felt I was too old to be a good father, had taken a long time to get established in my career, and did not have much of a paternal instinct, but was very happy to be an uncle to my nephews/nieces. Otherwise we were on the same wavelength and got on well, and still do for the most part.

My sister on the other hand has young children who are adored by all the family, and this has become a massive source of tension in our relationship, getting worse year by year, to the point I'm not sure where things go.

When OH and I first got together it was not long prior to the pandemic and sister only had 1 child. Fast forward a few years and sister now has 2 more. DP and I had the experience of living together under very intense pandemic conditions while things were still pretty new for us. That seemed to go OK. Where things have gone wrong is the post-pandemic years where I've been trying to get her to engage more with my family. I'm talking maybe 3-4 events a year at most, think Christmastime and significant birthdays where immediate family + partners might be invited. Other smaller or ad-hoc get-togethers I would happily go to on my own, but it's important to me that we turn up together to "significant" family events and my family would probably ask concerned questions about the state of my relationship if I always turned up without her, as you can probably imagine.

Even this limited level of family engagement has been a struggle to put it mildly. At first it was at a fairly normal level of "slight unease around in-laws" which I assumed might be alleviated by better familiarity, but over the last couple of years in particular things have steadily got more and more tense to the point where I feel like I'm torn between my partner and my family.

DP's point of view seems to have shifted from "don't like children" to "actively despise them". Any time there is any kind of family event where children might be present I have to fight with her to get her to attend, and if she does attend then she spends the whole time sulking and pretty much refusing to speak to anyone. She is barely civil to my sister and brother in law, giving monosyllabic answers at best when they try to engage her in conversation, and looks through the children as though they do not even exist.

If I go without her she still finds a way to make passive-aggressive remarks about my family before and/or after the event, such as implying that I should just mail birthday presents rather than delivering them to my nephews/nieces in person (even though we live relatively close by and she knows I like seeing them) or making scoffing noises/rolling her eyes when I say I need to leave at X time to be there for such and such an event.

Even if we meet my parents without my nieces/nephews present she seems to try to find a way to start an argument, because she seems to resent my parents having a close relationship with their grandchildren. She also insinuates frequently that my parents somehow value me less than their grandchildren or that they give my sister more support than me - even though I've tried to explain repeatedly that this isn't the case and that it's quite normal for grandparents to dote on their grandchildren anyway.

This also gets echoed in my relationships with friends, most of whom now have children. She's still not met quite a few of my oldest friends and has turned down opportunities to meet them - if they have children she seems to pre-emptively write them off with sarcastic comments about how they've given up perfectly good careers, etc.

OH had an abusive childhood and I think a lot of this stems from the fact that she never knew "normal" family dynamics and never knew her own aunts/uncles/grandparents. She also seems to think that her mother (who was in an abusive marriage) ruined her own life and career by having children in the first place, and projects that onto other people who have children - hence frequent remarks at home about women "throwing away their lives", children in general being entitled, colleagues with children "skiving" when they are on holiday, and so on and so forth.

I think there is a lot of unresolved trauma here - almost as though she views herself as needing to avenge her mother - and a lot of fear or uncertainty on her part as to how to engage with family dynamics where children are involved. That said, she refuses to seek therapy - her view seems to be either that she knows better, or that nothing could help anyway. I try to support her as much as I can, and on a day to day basis it doesn't really factor into our interactions with one another as we have busy lives and don't have daily interactions with family. But it is getting to the point now where it is poisoning relations between me and my family whenever there's any sort of family event. We have had numerous arguments over the last few years where it feels like she is growing increasingly resentful of me wanting to have a relationship with my own nephews and nieces.

I don't want to split up with her. In private she is funny, clever, and incredibly supportive of me. But when it comes to meeting my family (or my friends) they are faced wtih indifference at best or even hostility, and that's beginning to spill into our private lives.

I'm at the end of my tether. After 7 years it feels like things should get easier, not more difficult. What do I do?

OP posts:
Imisscoffee2021 · 09/07/2026 10:45

conflicted84 · 08/07/2026 22:17

I don't know if anyone is still watching this but it's about a year since my last update so I thought I would check in.

Where to begin? Well, the anti-child rhetoric has toned down significantly but that might simply be a consequence of there having been far fewer social events over the last 12 months where children were present. There has been a continued stream of snide remarks about colleagues "skiving" when they take half-term holidays etc and I have pushed back against those (to be met with a sigh, an eye roll or a derisive snort) but nothing like the previous torrent of misanthropy.

What's new? Well, I spent a long weekend in the countryside with some of my family while DP was away on a business trip last summer. We spoke in detail about what's going on. They've noticed that something isn't right (even before the loud passive aggressive remarks about children at family events) and wonder if DP has some variant of narcissistic personality disorder.

DP went and spent a month in her home country visting her family over Christmas as mentioned previously. I wasn't exactly not invited but I was passively-aggressively not invited if you see what I mean. I used the time to do some extended European travelling and to spend a few days with my family over Christmas and New Year, all of which was long overdue. DP and I kept in touch by text for the most part and spoke on Zoom a few times. When she got back there was no "I missed you" or anything of that sort. We just sort of gradually slotted back into our old rhythm of life. There's been no physical intimacy of any kind (bar the odd hug etc) for almost two years now. She actively avoids kisses to the point that I've more or less stopped attempting.

In general she has been far happier in herself since coming back from her family trip and at many levels I can understand that - she'd not been back to see family in years thanks to Covid and finances, even though they speak regularly by Zoom. I understand how that must be painful. But it still hurts me to feel as though I somehow sit in an entirely separate compartment of her life.

Having said all of that I'm increasingly worried that she is now developing some sort of exercise addiction and/or orthorexia. A couple of years ago she had a health scare and the doctor recommended she take up some moderate exercise. She's never been overweight or unfit - this was more as a precautionary measure. This has gradually ramped up from gym twice a week, to gym every day, to gym twice a day, to gym twice a day plus swimming a few times a week, and onward. She gets noticeably more irritable if she misses a session.

In general she does seem much happier for this and is sleeping much better, but it has come at the cost of our life feeling as though it is organised entirely around her exercise schedule (including getting up very early on weekdays to accommodate this around a full work life). On top of that she has developed increasingly restrictive eating habits. She isn't under-eating (I think) or over-eating or purging, but her diet has become very repetitive and she is obsessively weighing everything she eats to the gram, and logging every single thing she eats in a nutrition app (My Fitness Pal or similar) and tracking her weight to stay at the very bottom of the recommended BMI range for her age.

I worry that this has tipped over from a normal interest in fitness to borderline obsessive behaviour. It also means that we almost never eat together or eat the same thing as she is so rigid about her diet, when one of the things that brought us together was a shared love of dining out and cooking together. Now I'll never hear the end of it if she has "unsuitable food" one day. The list of foods that are off-limits to her also seems to be ever-growing.

I have tried to challenge her about this a few times, very gently, explaining how it makes me feel disconnected from her, and have received disproportionately furious reactions (screaming, shouting, glaring, accusations of being controlling, etc). If I get upset by this I'm met with snide remarks about "is this how your family argues?" and so on. There is no resolution, just stalemate and letting her get on with it.

I've been reluctant to rock the boat for various reasons. One is that I've been going through a very difficult period at work and am looking at a potential change of job. (Her interest seems to have been limited to how much I might earn, rather than whether I'd be happier, and when I received an outline offer and said in some amazement that the figure they offered was more than anyone in my family had ever been paid, her reaction was very dismissive - at one level, yes, nobody in my family ever worked in that industry so it's not a like-for-like comparison - but surely she should appreciate how it felt to me?). The other is that we're due to remortgage any day now and I simply can't face the upheaval before that is sorted.

Increasingly though it feels to me that, as far as she's concerned, it's her world and I'm just living in it (while failing to meet expectations).

Not sure what I am asking for, if anything. I just need to get it out there. I am seeing a CBT therapist thanks to health insurance through work. But his focus is very much on managing emotions rather than helping to understand what is going on in the background. So I'm not sure that it's the most appropriate form of therapy to be honest, and nothing else is on offer.

That's not a loving relationship, why are you still together?? Child orientated hate aside, you are living parallel lives in companionable peace, but only peacefully because you aren't challenging behaviour which worries you. I don't understand what you both get from thr relationship except the comfort of routine and chaste companionship.

Endofyear · 09/07/2026 10:48

You say you don't want to split up with her, but this is a fundamental difference in values between the two of you. You value your family and want to include her in family gatherings. She wants the opposite. If you persuade her to join you, she shows her displeasure and is rude and unpleasant around your family.

Can you genuinely see this changing or getting better? She's been honest about how she feels and you have to either accept that or not.

For what it's worth, I couldn't be with someone who behaved like this. My family are important to me and if a partner cannot make the effort with them, they would not be in my life. It's up to you what you're prepared to put up with but I think you need to be realistic about anything changing being very unlikely.

mcmuffin22 · 09/07/2026 11:13

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 00:52

Op I am a lot like this.

I absolutely hate children. I hate the noises they make, I feel violent when I hear them crying but I am even annoyed by the sounds they make when they are happy. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I genuinely find they make me want to react with incredible voilence if they are too loud, too close to me etc. I also find them repulsive, I don't even like looking at them, particularly the drooling sticky baby toddler stage.

I'm not at all envious, in fact I often feel sorry for haggard looking mothers and fathers slopping around Asda with a screaming kid. I don't really think about children at all in day to day life because they just don't even occur to me. I don't allow children in my house, no exceptions. I do see being a parent as a total waste of life, but people often see my hobbies (boats) as an enormous waste of money, so what people see value in is entirely up to them really. I understand my own perspective isn't the only perspective, even if I have absolutely no understanding of why anybody would do it. People often tell me having children is an instinct or biological urge, I think they must be right because I absolutely cannot think of any logical reason anybody would. I clearly do not have any such urges, I've never felt anything even nearly similar. As a child myself, I never played with dolls, I never played house etc. I didn't even really like other children when I was a child. It got worse with age probably levelling out as how I am now at 25, which is over ten years ago now.

I honestly don't think you can expect that you are going to change her. Therapy won't either. It might teach her better ways to cope in situations she doesn't like, such as family gatherings, but at the end of the day she will always feel how she feels.

I myself would actually probably leave somebody who was too child orientated. I have a partner with a large family but we do not engage at all with any of the children in the family. I behave much as your partner, I look through them, do not acknowledge them at gatherings. I simply have nothing to say and don't want to. I don't buy them gifts etc at Christmas. Thankfully my other half isn't a hands on cousin/uncle/whatever.

I can iterate for you things I wouldn't like about it.

I would find it revolting for my partner to play with or really interact with children, even those related to him, sort of like somebody playing with a gross animal. Like cuddling and a pig.

I would also be concerned that it meant they might have an interest in having children of their own. Sort of like somebody trying to show you how much fun their friends puppy is, in an effort to wine you over into having one of your own. She would naturally want to stamp that out quickly. Wether this is your intention or not, she will read it as your paternal instinct, which to somebody who will not have children is a massive turn off. It fundamentally says the relationship has use by date.

She shouldn't have to share space with people she doesn't like, even if they're you're family. Even if you think the reason is unreasonable. As long as she isn't trying to stop you from going I don't see why she needs to attend every big family event. She might be happier outside of this dynamic and the whole 'you marry the family' thing is absolutely old fashioned. There's no reason she needs to be with you at these things or that her discomfort trumps your wants.

At the end of the day if it's a deal breaker for you then you need to end things, but I don't think it's fair to force somebody into a situation they don't like, then be angry at them for not engaging/being thrilled about it. It's about as peaceful protest as you can expect.

And yet you are an active participant on a discussion forum which was set up for parents.

wizzywig · 10/07/2026 11:47

The relief and inner peace you will feel when she is gone will be immense.

Agapornis · 10/07/2026 12:32

https://mensadviceline.org.uk/
You need domestic abuse advice and therapy.

The end of your fixed rate mortgage is an excellent time to sell up. You don't need to remortgage and move on to another fix. Move into rented/your parents while you recover from her, and find another job. Use the redundancy pay to help yourself.

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KaleidoscopeSmile · 10/07/2026 13:08

mcmuffin22 · 09/07/2026 11:13

And yet you are an active participant on a discussion forum which was set up for parents.

Thanks Thread Police but it's - obviously - no longer just for parents.

I don't know why this poster has made you feel as though you needed to respond in that way. She was explaining her own feelings about children as a possible equivalence to OP's partner's feelings. I found it very interesting and quite relatable in fact.

Kittyberry · 10/07/2026 14:01

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 00:52

Op I am a lot like this.

I absolutely hate children. I hate the noises they make, I feel violent when I hear them crying but I am even annoyed by the sounds they make when they are happy. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I genuinely find they make me want to react with incredible voilence if they are too loud, too close to me etc. I also find them repulsive, I don't even like looking at them, particularly the drooling sticky baby toddler stage.

I'm not at all envious, in fact I often feel sorry for haggard looking mothers and fathers slopping around Asda with a screaming kid. I don't really think about children at all in day to day life because they just don't even occur to me. I don't allow children in my house, no exceptions. I do see being a parent as a total waste of life, but people often see my hobbies (boats) as an enormous waste of money, so what people see value in is entirely up to them really. I understand my own perspective isn't the only perspective, even if I have absolutely no understanding of why anybody would do it. People often tell me having children is an instinct or biological urge, I think they must be right because I absolutely cannot think of any logical reason anybody would. I clearly do not have any such urges, I've never felt anything even nearly similar. As a child myself, I never played with dolls, I never played house etc. I didn't even really like other children when I was a child. It got worse with age probably levelling out as how I am now at 25, which is over ten years ago now.

I honestly don't think you can expect that you are going to change her. Therapy won't either. It might teach her better ways to cope in situations she doesn't like, such as family gatherings, but at the end of the day she will always feel how she feels.

I myself would actually probably leave somebody who was too child orientated. I have a partner with a large family but we do not engage at all with any of the children in the family. I behave much as your partner, I look through them, do not acknowledge them at gatherings. I simply have nothing to say and don't want to. I don't buy them gifts etc at Christmas. Thankfully my other half isn't a hands on cousin/uncle/whatever.

I can iterate for you things I wouldn't like about it.

I would find it revolting for my partner to play with or really interact with children, even those related to him, sort of like somebody playing with a gross animal. Like cuddling and a pig.

I would also be concerned that it meant they might have an interest in having children of their own. Sort of like somebody trying to show you how much fun their friends puppy is, in an effort to wine you over into having one of your own. She would naturally want to stamp that out quickly. Wether this is your intention or not, she will read it as your paternal instinct, which to somebody who will not have children is a massive turn off. It fundamentally says the relationship has use by date.

She shouldn't have to share space with people she doesn't like, even if they're you're family. Even if you think the reason is unreasonable. As long as she isn't trying to stop you from going I don't see why she needs to attend every big family event. She might be happier outside of this dynamic and the whole 'you marry the family' thing is absolutely old fashioned. There's no reason she needs to be with you at these things or that her discomfort trumps your wants.

At the end of the day if it's a deal breaker for you then you need to end things, but I don't think it's fair to force somebody into a situation they don't like, then be angry at them for not engaging/being thrilled about it. It's about as peaceful protest as you can expect.

Extraordinary

Please indulge me … what has drawn you to want to participate in this group - Mumsnet?

Seriously interested !

user1471600850 · 10/07/2026 15:51

Please please just leave - you deserve so much more than this - she sounds horrendous!

mcmuffin22 · 10/07/2026 15:54

KaleidoscopeSmile · 10/07/2026 13:08

Thanks Thread Police but it's - obviously - no longer just for parents.

I don't know why this poster has made you feel as though you needed to respond in that way. She was explaining her own feelings about children as a possible equivalence to OP's partner's feelings. I found it very interesting and quite relatable in fact.

If I had such a visceral reaction to children and babies I wouldn't seek out a forum which describes itself as 'The UK's biggest network for parents'....unless it's some kind of exposure therapy for them.

bigvig · 10/07/2026 16:23

A bad childhood doesn't give you a free pass to be a selfish unpleasant arsehole. You know that OP. You're making excuse after excuae to put off doing what you know needs to be done. Just leave. Split the house 50/50. Sell it for whatever you can get. Your life will be yours again - there's no price tag on that. Good luck.

JoyousWriter · 10/07/2026 16:31

What an absolute waste of your life, OP.

She's ruining your best years.

Aiming4Optimistic · 10/07/2026 18:08

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UhOhRatPoo · 10/07/2026 18:28

No it isn’t. OP updated on 8 July and the subsequent discussion has been commenting on why he STILL hasn’t left her.

DP hates children
newusername4321 · 10/07/2026 20:01

@Anotherparkingthread And why would u care so much about whether people believe you really do hate children or they just think you’re silly or saying to be edgy? Why would u feel the need to prove that yea u actually do despise children. As if someone cares.

YRGAM · 10/07/2026 20:23

OP just get rid of her literally today, she sounds like an absolutely intolerable human being and you don't deserve to be treated like that

SleepQuest33 · 10/07/2026 21:10

Im so sorry OP, you sound like a very decent person and I really don’t understand what is stopping you from leaving this awful relationship. It’s been so long now.

Are you afraid of being single again? I don’t blame you, but, then please get therapy and do what you must to distance yourself from this person.

Tiredofallthis101 · 12/07/2026 09:15

Honestly get a grip OP and leave - remortgaging isn't a reason to stay FFS, if you split you will have to do that again anyway. Leave abd you will have more mental energy for thinking about what you want in a new job, your new life etc. She's draining you dry. I get none of it is easy but you will just drift and drift if you don't act. Do it today.

Rec0veringAcademic · 12/07/2026 14:47

OP, the person you are living with is very unwell, very sick, and potentially dangerous. She is sucking the life out of you. No mortgage or house is worth this suffering.

Go to a lawyer, make her a financial offer on any shared assets, and walk away. You say in one of your posts she would destroy you if you left. But she is destroying you already and you need to wake up to this fact.

Lovernotafighter83 · 12/07/2026 17:08

Would you put up with this behaviour if it was money? Stopping you from accessing your own money? Making sarcastic comments about what you spend your money on? Telling you where you should spend your money?

it’s a weird analogy but it can be useful to throw a different lens in it?

I’m a very diplomatic and tactful person and I can say without hesitation that it’s not ok and your family are probably heart broken that you’re not with a family oriented partner.

family first - always (if you’ve got a good one!)

Spongecakehouse · 12/07/2026 17:25

Sorry if a PP has floated this possibility OP, but ive read all your posts and the thing that keeps coming back to me is this:

You met her when she was 30. Is it possible she has known from the start of your relationship that she cannot have children? It would explain the incredible vehemence with which she treats the mere existence of children, because without an explanation like that, its baffling.
Maybe she wanted them and cant have them, and as she seems to be a very controlling, opaque person, rather than judt be honest with you and others (and herself) about this, she has spun it into a general child hating vibe.

I never wanted kids myself but I don't begrudge them existing 😅

RoseOliviaAu · 12/07/2026 19:06

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 00:52

Op I am a lot like this.

I absolutely hate children. I hate the noises they make, I feel violent when I hear them crying but I am even annoyed by the sounds they make when they are happy. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I genuinely find they make me want to react with incredible voilence if they are too loud, too close to me etc. I also find them repulsive, I don't even like looking at them, particularly the drooling sticky baby toddler stage.

I'm not at all envious, in fact I often feel sorry for haggard looking mothers and fathers slopping around Asda with a screaming kid. I don't really think about children at all in day to day life because they just don't even occur to me. I don't allow children in my house, no exceptions. I do see being a parent as a total waste of life, but people often see my hobbies (boats) as an enormous waste of money, so what people see value in is entirely up to them really. I understand my own perspective isn't the only perspective, even if I have absolutely no understanding of why anybody would do it. People often tell me having children is an instinct or biological urge, I think they must be right because I absolutely cannot think of any logical reason anybody would. I clearly do not have any such urges, I've never felt anything even nearly similar. As a child myself, I never played with dolls, I never played house etc. I didn't even really like other children when I was a child. It got worse with age probably levelling out as how I am now at 25, which is over ten years ago now.

I honestly don't think you can expect that you are going to change her. Therapy won't either. It might teach her better ways to cope in situations she doesn't like, such as family gatherings, but at the end of the day she will always feel how she feels.

I myself would actually probably leave somebody who was too child orientated. I have a partner with a large family but we do not engage at all with any of the children in the family. I behave much as your partner, I look through them, do not acknowledge them at gatherings. I simply have nothing to say and don't want to. I don't buy them gifts etc at Christmas. Thankfully my other half isn't a hands on cousin/uncle/whatever.

I can iterate for you things I wouldn't like about it.

I would find it revolting for my partner to play with or really interact with children, even those related to him, sort of like somebody playing with a gross animal. Like cuddling and a pig.

I would also be concerned that it meant they might have an interest in having children of their own. Sort of like somebody trying to show you how much fun their friends puppy is, in an effort to wine you over into having one of your own. She would naturally want to stamp that out quickly. Wether this is your intention or not, she will read it as your paternal instinct, which to somebody who will not have children is a massive turn off. It fundamentally says the relationship has use by date.

She shouldn't have to share space with people she doesn't like, even if they're you're family. Even if you think the reason is unreasonable. As long as she isn't trying to stop you from going I don't see why she needs to attend every big family event. She might be happier outside of this dynamic and the whole 'you marry the family' thing is absolutely old fashioned. There's no reason she needs to be with you at these things or that her discomfort trumps your wants.

At the end of the day if it's a deal breaker for you then you need to end things, but I don't think it's fair to force somebody into a situation they don't like, then be angry at them for not engaging/being thrilled about it. It's about as peaceful protest as you can expect.

You can’t think of any logical reason for people to have children? Well for one there’s the utter collapse of society and apocalyptic level of decline that would happen if everyone just stopped producing younger humans to take over the work and systems in place.

I also find it interesting that you say it would be gross for your partner to hug a child. That’s unusual… but then you liken it to hugging a pig. I have hugged pigs, they’re very sweet. I don’t find animals disgusting at all. I wonder if you’re very hygiene oriented?

Bupster · 12/07/2026 19:19

Mate, what are you doing? Why on earth would you want to remortgage with her? Imagine for a moment a female friend of yours posting all of this about her male partner - what would you advise her?

She doesn't like children, but she also doesn't like you. She doesn't like your family. She is utterly self-absorbed. She brings nothing into the partnership. You literally have nothing to lose by breaking up this relationship. What are you afraid of?

RoseOliviaAu · 12/07/2026 19:58

OP she is using you to achieve the lifestyle she feels she is owed and deserves but she does not love you. She doesn’t hug, kiss or have sex with you. She doesn’t associate with your family by choice. She is cruel to you and mocks you when you share your hurt or she stonewalls you. She looks down on your family and despises the younger members. She thinks she’s smarter and more attractive than most people and thus speaks nastily about them. She doesn’t invite you to her home country after SEVEN years together. She even lashes out and accuses you of not being able to afford it (despite you earning more) as though she sees you as lesser or lower class than her. She has a major eating disorder and enjoys the attention of other men. She talks about a future where you don’t feature. She verbally abuses you and screams at you.

She would leave you as soon as she got a better offer.

CallmePaul · 12/07/2026 20:34

Dude, so no intimacy for 2 yrs, she hates your family, doesn't support you, dismisses your achievements etc what on earth are you doing in & getting out of, this awful very dysfunctional relationship?

What's your other hobbies. Repeatedly punching yourself in the nuts?

Run run far away, how is this even a question?

FaceIt · 12/07/2026 22:18

It’s only a matter of time.

Whilst you’re waiting on your job situation etc., use the time to start planning your exit and stick to it.

You deserve so much better.