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DP hates children

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conflicted84 · 22/07/2025 23:45

Repost, with full text this time.

I (male, 41) have been with my OH (female, 37) for over 7 years now.

Early on she made it very clear she didn't want children and that was OK with me as I felt I was too old to be a good father, had taken a long time to get established in my career, and did not have much of a paternal instinct, but was very happy to be an uncle to my nephews/nieces. Otherwise we were on the same wavelength and got on well, and still do for the most part.

My sister on the other hand has young children who are adored by all the family, and this has become a massive source of tension in our relationship, getting worse year by year, to the point I'm not sure where things go.

When OH and I first got together it was not long prior to the pandemic and sister only had 1 child. Fast forward a few years and sister now has 2 more. DP and I had the experience of living together under very intense pandemic conditions while things were still pretty new for us. That seemed to go OK. Where things have gone wrong is the post-pandemic years where I've been trying to get her to engage more with my family. I'm talking maybe 3-4 events a year at most, think Christmastime and significant birthdays where immediate family + partners might be invited. Other smaller or ad-hoc get-togethers I would happily go to on my own, but it's important to me that we turn up together to "significant" family events and my family would probably ask concerned questions about the state of my relationship if I always turned up without her, as you can probably imagine.

Even this limited level of family engagement has been a struggle to put it mildly. At first it was at a fairly normal level of "slight unease around in-laws" which I assumed might be alleviated by better familiarity, but over the last couple of years in particular things have steadily got more and more tense to the point where I feel like I'm torn between my partner and my family.

DP's point of view seems to have shifted from "don't like children" to "actively despise them". Any time there is any kind of family event where children might be present I have to fight with her to get her to attend, and if she does attend then she spends the whole time sulking and pretty much refusing to speak to anyone. She is barely civil to my sister and brother in law, giving monosyllabic answers at best when they try to engage her in conversation, and looks through the children as though they do not even exist.

If I go without her she still finds a way to make passive-aggressive remarks about my family before and/or after the event, such as implying that I should just mail birthday presents rather than delivering them to my nephews/nieces in person (even though we live relatively close by and she knows I like seeing them) or making scoffing noises/rolling her eyes when I say I need to leave at X time to be there for such and such an event.

Even if we meet my parents without my nieces/nephews present she seems to try to find a way to start an argument, because she seems to resent my parents having a close relationship with their grandchildren. She also insinuates frequently that my parents somehow value me less than their grandchildren or that they give my sister more support than me - even though I've tried to explain repeatedly that this isn't the case and that it's quite normal for grandparents to dote on their grandchildren anyway.

This also gets echoed in my relationships with friends, most of whom now have children. She's still not met quite a few of my oldest friends and has turned down opportunities to meet them - if they have children she seems to pre-emptively write them off with sarcastic comments about how they've given up perfectly good careers, etc.

OH had an abusive childhood and I think a lot of this stems from the fact that she never knew "normal" family dynamics and never knew her own aunts/uncles/grandparents. She also seems to think that her mother (who was in an abusive marriage) ruined her own life and career by having children in the first place, and projects that onto other people who have children - hence frequent remarks at home about women "throwing away their lives", children in general being entitled, colleagues with children "skiving" when they are on holiday, and so on and so forth.

I think there is a lot of unresolved trauma here - almost as though she views herself as needing to avenge her mother - and a lot of fear or uncertainty on her part as to how to engage with family dynamics where children are involved. That said, she refuses to seek therapy - her view seems to be either that she knows better, or that nothing could help anyway. I try to support her as much as I can, and on a day to day basis it doesn't really factor into our interactions with one another as we have busy lives and don't have daily interactions with family. But it is getting to the point now where it is poisoning relations between me and my family whenever there's any sort of family event. We have had numerous arguments over the last few years where it feels like she is growing increasingly resentful of me wanting to have a relationship with my own nephews and nieces.

I don't want to split up with her. In private she is funny, clever, and incredibly supportive of me. But when it comes to meeting my family (or my friends) they are faced wtih indifference at best or even hostility, and that's beginning to spill into our private lives.

I'm at the end of my tether. After 7 years it feels like things should get easier, not more difficult. What do I do?

OP posts:
RandomMess · 08/07/2026 23:05

Get your ducks in a row to exit the relationship. It sounds miserable and not a partnership anymore.

conflicted84 · 08/07/2026 23:13

We had an absolutely horrendous argument just over a year ago after she'd been particularly atrocious to my family. I thought things were going to end then and there until I talked her out of storming out of the house. If I remember correctly, I think I accused her (in paraphrase) of thinking that she was better than my parents and that because she was the smartest person in the room she felt aggrieved by the fact that they had more material wealth or a bigger house etc. She went completely and utterly bananas at this (pale, shaking, incoherent) and when she eventually calmed down said that she'd been "insulted this way" by "boyfriend after boyfriend after boyfriend" because they were threatened by her intellect.

The thing is, I don't feel threatened by her. But increasingly, I don't think I (or her exes) were necessarily wrong - there's an enormous sense of entitlement and grievance somewhere below the surface, and in our relationship it comes to the fore when we meet my family but not when we're alone (because in her words I'm the only person "who can keep up with" her).

OP posts:
OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 08/07/2026 23:28

Your reply today at 22.57 ended with

'or am I missing something?'

yes, you are missing the reason you are still with her !

why ?

' not with a remortgage, a possible job change, and work on the house underway.' are excuses not reasons.

You are not married, as you refer to her as DP rather than DW
and you don't have children ( the initial point of your thread )

ChaToilLeam · 08/07/2026 23:46

She sounds horrible, self-centred, exhausting and negative all round.

Why on earth are you still there?

Dery · 09/07/2026 00:02

I was following your thread and posted on it so thank you for coming back to update. It is your life of course but it is so disappointing to see that you are still in this relationship. You talk about your partner showing narcissistic tendencies. But it doesn't really matter why she behaves like an arsehole so much of the time. What really matters is simply that she does behave like an arsehole so much of the time. Life is not a dress rehearsal. This is your one shot at it. You could walk away. You are choosing to find reasons to stay with a partner who appears to be deeply unpleasant in a number of ways, who seems to regard pretty much everyone (including people who are important to you) with contempt and who is happy to show it. You're actually doing her no favours by staying when you don't want to. I haven't gone back over your posts - perhaps you are already in therapy concerning this relationship. If you aren't, then I would suggest therapy might help you work out why you are staying and how you might find means to walk away.

PixelatedLunchbox · 09/07/2026 00:23

Two words OP: Get. Rid.

AnotherEmma · 09/07/2026 00:29

Sorry to hear that you're still in this relationship, OP, which is not much of a relationship I'm afraid.

You say you're having CBT at the moment. I think you'd benefit from counselling or psychotherapy, a talking therapy which is more discursive and exploratory. My advice would be to explore your self-esteem, what you learned about relationships growing up, and why you are still with this awful person despite the way she treats you and your family.

There is no pressure from me to end the relationship, although that should be the ultimate goal IMO, I think the important thing for now is for you to have some real life professional support to work through these big questions.

You can ask GP about free or low-cost talking therapy that might be available through the NHS or charitable/non-profit organisations.

KissKissByeBye · 09/07/2026 00:35

conflicted84 · 23/07/2025 10:35

This is the weird thing: in social settings if we do go out in an environment where kids aren't present (we both work in a field where there are often "fancy" dinners etc, for example, and we go to concerts/theatre reasonably often and run into people we know) she's incredibly lively and charming. Same if we meet up with any of her friends when they happen to be over in this country. So "socially inadequate" doesn't fit. Put her with my family or friends, though, and it's a whole different story.

So what exactly is appealing about someone who appears to loathe everyone you love?

mightymam · 09/07/2026 01:15

Bloody hell- I remember coming across your thread last year and can’t believe you’re still with her! Life’s too short- the longer you stay on this train with her, going to god knows where, the longer it’ll take you to get back to the stop you wanted/needed in the first place. She’s not your person. Your messages have gone from gentle exploration at the beginning to outright contempt towards her- don’t become her. Leave.

Chamallo · 09/07/2026 01:23

Is remortgaging going to help you leave or tie you up further in this relationship? She sounds abusive and you need to leave.

AngryBeyondWords03 · 09/07/2026 01:35

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 00:52

Op I am a lot like this.

I absolutely hate children. I hate the noises they make, I feel violent when I hear them crying but I am even annoyed by the sounds they make when they are happy. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I genuinely find they make me want to react with incredible voilence if they are too loud, too close to me etc. I also find them repulsive, I don't even like looking at them, particularly the drooling sticky baby toddler stage.

I'm not at all envious, in fact I often feel sorry for haggard looking mothers and fathers slopping around Asda with a screaming kid. I don't really think about children at all in day to day life because they just don't even occur to me. I don't allow children in my house, no exceptions. I do see being a parent as a total waste of life, but people often see my hobbies (boats) as an enormous waste of money, so what people see value in is entirely up to them really. I understand my own perspective isn't the only perspective, even if I have absolutely no understanding of why anybody would do it. People often tell me having children is an instinct or biological urge, I think they must be right because I absolutely cannot think of any logical reason anybody would. I clearly do not have any such urges, I've never felt anything even nearly similar. As a child myself, I never played with dolls, I never played house etc. I didn't even really like other children when I was a child. It got worse with age probably levelling out as how I am now at 25, which is over ten years ago now.

I honestly don't think you can expect that you are going to change her. Therapy won't either. It might teach her better ways to cope in situations she doesn't like, such as family gatherings, but at the end of the day she will always feel how she feels.

I myself would actually probably leave somebody who was too child orientated. I have a partner with a large family but we do not engage at all with any of the children in the family. I behave much as your partner, I look through them, do not acknowledge them at gatherings. I simply have nothing to say and don't want to. I don't buy them gifts etc at Christmas. Thankfully my other half isn't a hands on cousin/uncle/whatever.

I can iterate for you things I wouldn't like about it.

I would find it revolting for my partner to play with or really interact with children, even those related to him, sort of like somebody playing with a gross animal. Like cuddling and a pig.

I would also be concerned that it meant they might have an interest in having children of their own. Sort of like somebody trying to show you how much fun their friends puppy is, in an effort to wine you over into having one of your own. She would naturally want to stamp that out quickly. Wether this is your intention or not, she will read it as your paternal instinct, which to somebody who will not have children is a massive turn off. It fundamentally says the relationship has use by date.

She shouldn't have to share space with people she doesn't like, even if they're you're family. Even if you think the reason is unreasonable. As long as she isn't trying to stop you from going I don't see why she needs to attend every big family event. She might be happier outside of this dynamic and the whole 'you marry the family' thing is absolutely old fashioned. There's no reason she needs to be with you at these things or that her discomfort trumps your wants.

At the end of the day if it's a deal breaker for you then you need to end things, but I don't think it's fair to force somebody into a situation they don't like, then be angry at them for not engaging/being thrilled about it. It's about as peaceful protest as you can expect.

I actually feel you need in patient therapy.
Feeling that violent towards children, you are a huge risk and danger
You need to be sectioned

PastaBelly · 09/07/2026 02:07

I really think you should take on board the suggestions and advice that this is abusive behaviour. If you were a momma talking about her male partner, abuse and narcissism would be the majority of the responses.

sometimes it’s difficult so see the full picture and understand the true extent when you are living within it, and when you love that person, you don’t want to think poorly of them/their behaviour or believe it’s harmful.

I spent twenty years with someone with similar actions - not until I was away from the relationship did I realise it was toxic behaviour and coercive control. My biggest regret is not realising and leaving sooner.

my ex never told me I couldn’t go somewhere or couldn’t wear certain outfits, it started off ‘lovingly’ with terms such us ‘but I’ll miss you if you go out without me’… which lead to eye rolls, pass agg comments, general grumpiness and silent treatment to the point that I felt it wasn’t worth the hassle of going and I’d make excuses to my friends not to (and it was literally about 4 or 5 occasions a year I went out).

my worry is that she will alienate you from friends and family completely, she may have abandonment issues from her childhood, jealously, unresolved trauma - she may not even realise herself that her behaviour is wrong, but that doesn’t justify it. You can suggest therapy and tell her your concerns and feelings and what behaviour you will no longer tolerate and see if the issues can be worked out. You sound like you have a lovely family unit and bond, don’t let her ruin it. If she doesn’t want to be involved with them, that’s one thing, belittling and hurting you because you do is another and out of order.

PastaBelly · 09/07/2026 02:08

*woman, not momma. Unable to edit and my phone is a nightmare!

CamillaMcCauley · 09/07/2026 04:06

@conflicted84

You sound like an immeasurably patient man, OP.

The trouble with being immeasurably patient is that you can accidentally end up stuck with people who nobody else can be bothered to tolerate.

Nearly50omg · 09/07/2026 05:21

Don’t have counselling or therapy with her. You never should have either with an abusive partner and unfortunately this is what she is

B0D · 09/07/2026 05:37

She feels uncomfortable , threatened by and can’t relate to “normal “ family group dynamics and her behaviour is a defence mechanism

Ladybyrd · 09/07/2026 06:04

I don’t think this sounds good. And you weren’t too old to be a father. You still aren’t.

Ladybyrd · 09/07/2026 06:05

CamillaMcCauley · 09/07/2026 04:06

@conflicted84

You sound like an immeasurably patient man, OP.

The trouble with being immeasurably patient is that you can accidentally end up stuck with people who nobody else can be bothered to tolerate.

This.

Fmlgirl · 09/07/2026 06:29

conflicted84 · 08/07/2026 22:57

While I think of it, I looked at the notes I've been keeping and spotted a few other possible indicators of narcissistic personality disorder - but it's so difficult to tell when you're in the middle of it. A few examples -

  • seemingly getting a kick out of being catcalled or propositioned on her way to/from the gym "even though they're not the sort of men you'd want to get attention from" (?!?! - and this from a self-professed feminist)
  • going on and on about how good she felt after going to the gym near her office "as though the street was my own personal catwalk"
  • disproportionate rage/passive aggression when I was too tired to get out of bed at 6:30 on a Sunday morning (something to do with her gym schedule; I later made a gentle joke along the lines of "did I miss the memo about lie-ins being banned?" and she went white and shook with rage - the only time I've seen anything similar was when I challenged her about her food-weighing habits)
  • ranting to her mother in increasingly loud and theatrical tones about "people getting ideas above their station" for some historical slight from decades ago (she does this often, her voice becomes increasingly posh and haughty - and I genuinely can't tell if it's a performance or genuine, but her mother is the same and very snobbish or old-fashioned)
  • very random, inexplicable one-day low moods where she's monosyllabic or grunts at me. We have both struggled with depression in the past at different times, so I understand what it's like but I wonder if I'm trying too hard to be understanding sometimes
  • frequent negative comparisons of life here to things in her home country even though she has repeatedly said she has no intention of going back

At best, it's all lining up to keep me off balance, and at worst it's a conscious decision to achieve that... or am I missing something?

You seem to really hate her.

when I read your story last year, I felt extremely sympathetic, now I don’t feel like this anymore. No one is forcing you stay in this relationship ship. Best to get out and for you both to have the chance to meet other people who actually care about you.

MrsPorridgepot · 09/07/2026 06:35

Oh OP, life is so damn short and you are wasting yours being in this sham of a relationship. There’s no point still trying to analyse little things or wondering if she has an actual personality disorder…do you feel cherished and respected? That’s the crux.

Why not get legal advice now, regarding the house etc in a split, be proactive so you know exactly where you stand. Stop making excuses for why now isn’t the time for the upheaval of splitting, there will always be reasons you could put it off but how miserable. You deserve not to be screamed at, ever. You deserve not to be considered with contempt. You deserve a loving relationship. Most of all, you deserve peace.

UhOhRatPoo · 09/07/2026 07:06

oh OP, you are thoughtful and articulate and deserve so much more. Please dig deep and find the strength to move on.

You could even still have kids if you wanted to, fatherhood in your forties is fine and if you act quickly you would not need to be with a significantly younger woman. Not sure at all why you felt too old at 34.

UhOhRatPoo · 09/07/2026 07:15

Also, why would YOU have to get up at 6:30 am so she can exercise? that sounds abusive.

And you are not even having sex, so you are not even sleeping in the same bed for any good reason.

SoozyWoozy5 · 09/07/2026 07:32

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 00:52

Op I am a lot like this.

I absolutely hate children. I hate the noises they make, I feel violent when I hear them crying but I am even annoyed by the sounds they make when they are happy. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I genuinely find they make me want to react with incredible voilence if they are too loud, too close to me etc. I also find them repulsive, I don't even like looking at them, particularly the drooling sticky baby toddler stage.

I'm not at all envious, in fact I often feel sorry for haggard looking mothers and fathers slopping around Asda with a screaming kid. I don't really think about children at all in day to day life because they just don't even occur to me. I don't allow children in my house, no exceptions. I do see being a parent as a total waste of life, but people often see my hobbies (boats) as an enormous waste of money, so what people see value in is entirely up to them really. I understand my own perspective isn't the only perspective, even if I have absolutely no understanding of why anybody would do it. People often tell me having children is an instinct or biological urge, I think they must be right because I absolutely cannot think of any logical reason anybody would. I clearly do not have any such urges, I've never felt anything even nearly similar. As a child myself, I never played with dolls, I never played house etc. I didn't even really like other children when I was a child. It got worse with age probably levelling out as how I am now at 25, which is over ten years ago now.

I honestly don't think you can expect that you are going to change her. Therapy won't either. It might teach her better ways to cope in situations she doesn't like, such as family gatherings, but at the end of the day she will always feel how she feels.

I myself would actually probably leave somebody who was too child orientated. I have a partner with a large family but we do not engage at all with any of the children in the family. I behave much as your partner, I look through them, do not acknowledge them at gatherings. I simply have nothing to say and don't want to. I don't buy them gifts etc at Christmas. Thankfully my other half isn't a hands on cousin/uncle/whatever.

I can iterate for you things I wouldn't like about it.

I would find it revolting for my partner to play with or really interact with children, even those related to him, sort of like somebody playing with a gross animal. Like cuddling and a pig.

I would also be concerned that it meant they might have an interest in having children of their own. Sort of like somebody trying to show you how much fun their friends puppy is, in an effort to wine you over into having one of your own. She would naturally want to stamp that out quickly. Wether this is your intention or not, she will read it as your paternal instinct, which to somebody who will not have children is a massive turn off. It fundamentally says the relationship has use by date.

She shouldn't have to share space with people she doesn't like, even if they're you're family. Even if you think the reason is unreasonable. As long as she isn't trying to stop you from going I don't see why she needs to attend every big family event. She might be happier outside of this dynamic and the whole 'you marry the family' thing is absolutely old fashioned. There's no reason she needs to be with you at these things or that her discomfort trumps your wants.

At the end of the day if it's a deal breaker for you then you need to end things, but I don't think it's fair to force somebody into a situation they don't like, then be angry at them for not engaging/being thrilled about it. It's about as peaceful protest as you can expect.

Wow. You used to be a child, you do realise?
horrific attitudes.

SoozyWoozy5 · 09/07/2026 07:34

conflicted84 · 08/07/2026 23:13

We had an absolutely horrendous argument just over a year ago after she'd been particularly atrocious to my family. I thought things were going to end then and there until I talked her out of storming out of the house. If I remember correctly, I think I accused her (in paraphrase) of thinking that she was better than my parents and that because she was the smartest person in the room she felt aggrieved by the fact that they had more material wealth or a bigger house etc. She went completely and utterly bananas at this (pale, shaking, incoherent) and when she eventually calmed down said that she'd been "insulted this way" by "boyfriend after boyfriend after boyfriend" because they were threatened by her intellect.

The thing is, I don't feel threatened by her. But increasingly, I don't think I (or her exes) were necessarily wrong - there's an enormous sense of entitlement and grievance somewhere below the surface, and in our relationship it comes to the fore when we meet my family but not when we're alone (because in her words I'm the only person "who can keep up with" her).

You should have split up then. You’re trying your best to fix her but you can’t. It’s who she is. You deserve better.

TurtleCavalryIsSeriousShit · 09/07/2026 10:34

Imagine if you left her last year... imagine where you would've been now.

Now, imagine leaving her right now and how you would feel a year from now.

Do you really want to come back with the same types of posts in July 2027??

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