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DP hates children

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conflicted84 · 22/07/2025 23:45

Repost, with full text this time.

I (male, 41) have been with my OH (female, 37) for over 7 years now.

Early on she made it very clear she didn't want children and that was OK with me as I felt I was too old to be a good father, had taken a long time to get established in my career, and did not have much of a paternal instinct, but was very happy to be an uncle to my nephews/nieces. Otherwise we were on the same wavelength and got on well, and still do for the most part.

My sister on the other hand has young children who are adored by all the family, and this has become a massive source of tension in our relationship, getting worse year by year, to the point I'm not sure where things go.

When OH and I first got together it was not long prior to the pandemic and sister only had 1 child. Fast forward a few years and sister now has 2 more. DP and I had the experience of living together under very intense pandemic conditions while things were still pretty new for us. That seemed to go OK. Where things have gone wrong is the post-pandemic years where I've been trying to get her to engage more with my family. I'm talking maybe 3-4 events a year at most, think Christmastime and significant birthdays where immediate family + partners might be invited. Other smaller or ad-hoc get-togethers I would happily go to on my own, but it's important to me that we turn up together to "significant" family events and my family would probably ask concerned questions about the state of my relationship if I always turned up without her, as you can probably imagine.

Even this limited level of family engagement has been a struggle to put it mildly. At first it was at a fairly normal level of "slight unease around in-laws" which I assumed might be alleviated by better familiarity, but over the last couple of years in particular things have steadily got more and more tense to the point where I feel like I'm torn between my partner and my family.

DP's point of view seems to have shifted from "don't like children" to "actively despise them". Any time there is any kind of family event where children might be present I have to fight with her to get her to attend, and if she does attend then she spends the whole time sulking and pretty much refusing to speak to anyone. She is barely civil to my sister and brother in law, giving monosyllabic answers at best when they try to engage her in conversation, and looks through the children as though they do not even exist.

If I go without her she still finds a way to make passive-aggressive remarks about my family before and/or after the event, such as implying that I should just mail birthday presents rather than delivering them to my nephews/nieces in person (even though we live relatively close by and she knows I like seeing them) or making scoffing noises/rolling her eyes when I say I need to leave at X time to be there for such and such an event.

Even if we meet my parents without my nieces/nephews present she seems to try to find a way to start an argument, because she seems to resent my parents having a close relationship with their grandchildren. She also insinuates frequently that my parents somehow value me less than their grandchildren or that they give my sister more support than me - even though I've tried to explain repeatedly that this isn't the case and that it's quite normal for grandparents to dote on their grandchildren anyway.

This also gets echoed in my relationships with friends, most of whom now have children. She's still not met quite a few of my oldest friends and has turned down opportunities to meet them - if they have children she seems to pre-emptively write them off with sarcastic comments about how they've given up perfectly good careers, etc.

OH had an abusive childhood and I think a lot of this stems from the fact that she never knew "normal" family dynamics and never knew her own aunts/uncles/grandparents. She also seems to think that her mother (who was in an abusive marriage) ruined her own life and career by having children in the first place, and projects that onto other people who have children - hence frequent remarks at home about women "throwing away their lives", children in general being entitled, colleagues with children "skiving" when they are on holiday, and so on and so forth.

I think there is a lot of unresolved trauma here - almost as though she views herself as needing to avenge her mother - and a lot of fear or uncertainty on her part as to how to engage with family dynamics where children are involved. That said, she refuses to seek therapy - her view seems to be either that she knows better, or that nothing could help anyway. I try to support her as much as I can, and on a day to day basis it doesn't really factor into our interactions with one another as we have busy lives and don't have daily interactions with family. But it is getting to the point now where it is poisoning relations between me and my family whenever there's any sort of family event. We have had numerous arguments over the last few years where it feels like she is growing increasingly resentful of me wanting to have a relationship with my own nephews and nieces.

I don't want to split up with her. In private she is funny, clever, and incredibly supportive of me. But when it comes to meeting my family (or my friends) they are faced wtih indifference at best or even hostility, and that's beginning to spill into our private lives.

I'm at the end of my tether. After 7 years it feels like things should get easier, not more difficult. What do I do?

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notthemayo · 04/08/2025 17:55

@conflicted84I haven’t commented on this yet, but I’ve been following your story since you first wrote. Whether she wants children herself is one thing (clearly she doesn’t!!), however her hyper-focus on why children are such a dreadful life choice seems all consuming and - to be very frank - mean spirited. Would staying with someone this obsessional and bitter enhance your life? Or would the short-term pain of splitting be worth the longer-term gain of peace of mind. It sounds like you’ve been through so much with her so far - I’d have reached breaking point long ago.

excelledyourself · 04/08/2025 17:59

It’s clear she can’t stand children, but she also just comes across as thinking she’s better than everyone and really just not a very nice (or happy) person.

MaggieBsBoat · 04/08/2025 18:02

OP, the problem with children is just one colour on a frankly technicolour palate of spite!!!

Please find yourself someone loving and positive or happily single. This woman is toxic.

Plastictreees · 04/08/2025 18:05

You really need to rip the plaster off OP, and get the separation started. She sounds incredibly draining and negative, and this will not improve.

conflicted84 · 04/08/2025 18:14

Her recent behaviour, and earlier comments on this thread, have certainly caused me to take a much more critical look at what I'd allowed to slide for too long (it's only really over the last 3-4 years that this level of negativity has come to light, steadily ramping up since we bought a place together and as the children in my family have grown older).The thing I am really struggling to understand is how she can be so generally supportive and affectionate towards me at home on a day to day basis but so bitter and negative towards everything external.

She's going on an extended trip overseas later this year to see her mother in person for the first time in quite a while. I wasn't invited and when I asked whether she'd like me to come I got a very sneery reply of "can you afford the tickets?" (yes, they're expensive but I can, but that's not the point). I'm planning to hang on tight until then and, in the interim, get my ducks lined up in tersm of legal advice, getting the house into a more saleable condition, etc.

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BlokeHereInPeace · 04/08/2025 18:16

Fucking hell mate, she is a shocker. Bin her. Seriously. She doesn't like you and, understandably, you don't like her.

conflicted84 · 04/08/2025 18:25

I think at this point the only things keeping me here are (1) the hope that all of this will change once she's exorcised some guilt about not seeing her own family for a while and (2) the fact that our house isn't currently in a condition to sell. I'm focusing on fixing (2) now.

(For what it's worth, our physical relationship basically died once we bought the house, though for too long I've put that down to work stress and unhappiness about the work we need to do to the house. Writing this down makes me realise I've been a gullible fool, but I've never been in a relationship this long before. Time just rolls on, and once we'd bought a property I didn't want to admit to the sunk costs, I suppose)

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RandomMess · 04/08/2025 18:33

I’m not surprised now you’ve let yourself think about who she truly is you’ve realised how bad it is.

Focus on the house & the sucks, a happier future awaits.

MadKittenWoman · 04/08/2025 18:57

CommissarySushi · 23/07/2025 07:01

Jesus fucking Christ. You need help too.

This.

Dery · 04/08/2025 19:01

It’s natural to hesitate about ending a several year relationship where you’ve bought a shared property. But many people go through this. And as you say, there have been difficulties in your relationship for 3 or 4 years; you’ve just tried to ignore them. Your partner just doesn’t sound very nice. She’s comfortable treating your family with disdain and isolating you from them and being nasty about children and people who have them. None of this is normal or healthy. It’s a good decision to use the period while she’s away to plan for separation.

DoYouReally · 04/08/2025 19:30

Can I hazard a guess that she's very attractive and you consider her out of your league?

This is always the case where there's an apartently normal man putting up with a whole load of undesirable crap from a woman.

Please wake up!!!

Agapornis · 05/08/2025 02:46
  1. She won't change

  2. Good on you, do the bare minimum to the house to get things moving.

  3. Have you considered confiding in a friend or family member? They've probably seen her be horrible and they've just been too polite to mention it. I think you'll feel better once you speak to someone you know to remove the stigma of shame and failure (which, to be clear, isn't yours to bear)

  4. You're far too young for a life without sex or affection! It really does sound like she's with you for a certain lifestyle, rather than for love.

Jerrypicker · 05/08/2025 10:08

DoYouReally · 04/08/2025 19:30

Can I hazard a guess that she's very attractive and you consider her out of your league?

This is always the case where there's an apartently normal man putting up with a whole load of undesirable crap from a woman.

Please wake up!!!

You took the word out of my mouth! I was thinking exactly the same. The usual story of attractive but nasty, toxic, demanding, bitchy female and the oblivious, blind and good-natured nice guy who knows he won’t get a female like her again and doesn’t want to trade down, not only at the expense of himself but everybody else around him.

Cherrytree86 · 06/08/2025 10:42

@conflicted84

she sounds unhinged, Op. just dump her already.

Aimtodobetter · 26/08/2025 07:11

Admittedly I really like kids and have always liked them despite having a very full on career and waiting to be a mother until my very late 30s - but honestly I’ve never known anyone who looks at innocent children and reacts the way she seems to and I can’t imagine being close friends never mine being a partner with someone who truly felt that way. I have plenty of friends and siblings who don’t want kids - that is a completely different thing - in fact my kids closest aunt and two of their godparents don’t have kids. However, hating kids this way is just really really disturbing to me given how instinctive it is to want to protect children - she sounds like she see a kid hurt and wouldn’t want to help for example.

Also - to be clear anyone who can’t be pleasant to your nice sounding family four times a year, puts you down for wanting to spend time with them and is passive aggressive about you being a decent human is not a good partner. If she quietly hated kids but was otherwise supportive of you and the things you value in your life that’s one thing - but she is actively damaging or jealous of a load of your closest relationships and that should be the worlds biggest warning sign. I would never ever ever be in a relationship with someone like this.

Tontostitis · 26/08/2025 07:20

Anotherparkingthread · 23/07/2025 00:52

Op I am a lot like this.

I absolutely hate children. I hate the noises they make, I feel violent when I hear them crying but I am even annoyed by the sounds they make when they are happy. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I genuinely find they make me want to react with incredible voilence if they are too loud, too close to me etc. I also find them repulsive, I don't even like looking at them, particularly the drooling sticky baby toddler stage.

I'm not at all envious, in fact I often feel sorry for haggard looking mothers and fathers slopping around Asda with a screaming kid. I don't really think about children at all in day to day life because they just don't even occur to me. I don't allow children in my house, no exceptions. I do see being a parent as a total waste of life, but people often see my hobbies (boats) as an enormous waste of money, so what people see value in is entirely up to them really. I understand my own perspective isn't the only perspective, even if I have absolutely no understanding of why anybody would do it. People often tell me having children is an instinct or biological urge, I think they must be right because I absolutely cannot think of any logical reason anybody would. I clearly do not have any such urges, I've never felt anything even nearly similar. As a child myself, I never played with dolls, I never played house etc. I didn't even really like other children when I was a child. It got worse with age probably levelling out as how I am now at 25, which is over ten years ago now.

I honestly don't think you can expect that you are going to change her. Therapy won't either. It might teach her better ways to cope in situations she doesn't like, such as family gatherings, but at the end of the day she will always feel how she feels.

I myself would actually probably leave somebody who was too child orientated. I have a partner with a large family but we do not engage at all with any of the children in the family. I behave much as your partner, I look through them, do not acknowledge them at gatherings. I simply have nothing to say and don't want to. I don't buy them gifts etc at Christmas. Thankfully my other half isn't a hands on cousin/uncle/whatever.

I can iterate for you things I wouldn't like about it.

I would find it revolting for my partner to play with or really interact with children, even those related to him, sort of like somebody playing with a gross animal. Like cuddling and a pig.

I would also be concerned that it meant they might have an interest in having children of their own. Sort of like somebody trying to show you how much fun their friends puppy is, in an effort to wine you over into having one of your own. She would naturally want to stamp that out quickly. Wether this is your intention or not, she will read it as your paternal instinct, which to somebody who will not have children is a massive turn off. It fundamentally says the relationship has use by date.

She shouldn't have to share space with people she doesn't like, even if they're you're family. Even if you think the reason is unreasonable. As long as she isn't trying to stop you from going I don't see why she needs to attend every big family event. She might be happier outside of this dynamic and the whole 'you marry the family' thing is absolutely old fashioned. There's no reason she needs to be with you at these things or that her discomfort trumps your wants.

At the end of the day if it's a deal breaker for you then you need to end things, but I don't think it's fair to force somebody into a situation they don't like, then be angry at them for not engaging/being thrilled about it. It's about as peaceful protest as you can expect.

Good grief you are posting on Mumsnet, a site primarily, not exclusively but primarily, to support Mum's. You need therapy and to stay away from public spaces they make me want to act with incredible violence. That's a very shocking admission and you should seek immediate help.

user1492757084 · 26/08/2025 07:25

You don't wish to split up but I think you should.
A.S.A.P.

Your partner is becoming more aggravated by the thought of anything child related as time goes on.

Aimtodobetter · 26/08/2025 09:36

conflicted84 · 28/07/2025 19:27

So this is what I'm struggling with. While she's not exactly an optimist by nature, she's not hateful... except on this one specific issue. It's just so odd. I'm probably more of an optimist by nature, she's probably more of a pessimist, but together it works well except on this one, unprovoked thing that wasn't really an issue when we moved in together but is now causing major family problems. I've let it slide until now but it feels like she's deliberately pushing my boundaries.

Honest question, as I've never been here before (almost always the dumpee, not the dumper; and never when we've co-owned somewhere): how do you know when to cut your losses?

The best time to cut your losses was yesterday - the second best time to cut your losses is today.

Seriously - with all the other updates she sounds like someone who only sees the value in someone who does things from her, hates those who are weaker and more helpless than her (this is fundamentally why it’s so rare for people to hate kids (finding them annoying is obviously super normal) they are so much weaker than us so what would drive the “hate”) and almost sociopathic in how she uses people including you.

You would have to be insane to trust someone this toxic to be your long term
life partner. It goes way beyond not liking kids.

Jerrypicker · 26/08/2025 09:55

Aimtodobetter · 26/08/2025 07:11

Admittedly I really like kids and have always liked them despite having a very full on career and waiting to be a mother until my very late 30s - but honestly I’ve never known anyone who looks at innocent children and reacts the way she seems to and I can’t imagine being close friends never mine being a partner with someone who truly felt that way. I have plenty of friends and siblings who don’t want kids - that is a completely different thing - in fact my kids closest aunt and two of their godparents don’t have kids. However, hating kids this way is just really really disturbing to me given how instinctive it is to want to protect children - she sounds like she see a kid hurt and wouldn’t want to help for example.

Also - to be clear anyone who can’t be pleasant to your nice sounding family four times a year, puts you down for wanting to spend time with them and is passive aggressive about you being a decent human is not a good partner. If she quietly hated kids but was otherwise supportive of you and the things you value in your life that’s one thing - but she is actively damaging or jealous of a load of your closest relationships and that should be the worlds biggest warning sign. I would never ever ever be in a relationship with someone like this.

I agree totally. OP’s family sound nice, lovely, loving and decent people. If anyone expressed hate or disdain towards my family, I would chuck them out. Toxic waste goes to the bin.

Blossomingx · 24/01/2026 07:50

Hi @conflicted84 how are things for you now?

conflicted84 · 08/07/2026 22:17

I don't know if anyone is still watching this but it's about a year since my last update so I thought I would check in.

Where to begin? Well, the anti-child rhetoric has toned down significantly but that might simply be a consequence of there having been far fewer social events over the last 12 months where children were present. There has been a continued stream of snide remarks about colleagues "skiving" when they take half-term holidays etc and I have pushed back against those (to be met with a sigh, an eye roll or a derisive snort) but nothing like the previous torrent of misanthropy.

What's new? Well, I spent a long weekend in the countryside with some of my family while DP was away on a business trip last summer. We spoke in detail about what's going on. They've noticed that something isn't right (even before the loud passive aggressive remarks about children at family events) and wonder if DP has some variant of narcissistic personality disorder.

DP went and spent a month in her home country visting her family over Christmas as mentioned previously. I wasn't exactly not invited but I was passively-aggressively not invited if you see what I mean. I used the time to do some extended European travelling and to spend a few days with my family over Christmas and New Year, all of which was long overdue. DP and I kept in touch by text for the most part and spoke on Zoom a few times. When she got back there was no "I missed you" or anything of that sort. We just sort of gradually slotted back into our old rhythm of life. There's been no physical intimacy of any kind (bar the odd hug etc) for almost two years now. She actively avoids kisses to the point that I've more or less stopped attempting.

In general she has been far happier in herself since coming back from her family trip and at many levels I can understand that - she'd not been back to see family in years thanks to Covid and finances, even though they speak regularly by Zoom. I understand how that must be painful. But it still hurts me to feel as though I somehow sit in an entirely separate compartment of her life.

Having said all of that I'm increasingly worried that she is now developing some sort of exercise addiction and/or orthorexia. A couple of years ago she had a health scare and the doctor recommended she take up some moderate exercise. She's never been overweight or unfit - this was more as a precautionary measure. This has gradually ramped up from gym twice a week, to gym every day, to gym twice a day, to gym twice a day plus swimming a few times a week, and onward. She gets noticeably more irritable if she misses a session.

In general she does seem much happier for this and is sleeping much better, but it has come at the cost of our life feeling as though it is organised entirely around her exercise schedule (including getting up very early on weekdays to accommodate this around a full work life). On top of that she has developed increasingly restrictive eating habits. She isn't under-eating (I think) or over-eating or purging, but her diet has become very repetitive and she is obsessively weighing everything she eats to the gram, and logging every single thing she eats in a nutrition app (My Fitness Pal or similar) and tracking her weight to stay at the very bottom of the recommended BMI range for her age.

I worry that this has tipped over from a normal interest in fitness to borderline obsessive behaviour. It also means that we almost never eat together or eat the same thing as she is so rigid about her diet, when one of the things that brought us together was a shared love of dining out and cooking together. Now I'll never hear the end of it if she has "unsuitable food" one day. The list of foods that are off-limits to her also seems to be ever-growing.

I have tried to challenge her about this a few times, very gently, explaining how it makes me feel disconnected from her, and have received disproportionately furious reactions (screaming, shouting, glaring, accusations of being controlling, etc). If I get upset by this I'm met with snide remarks about "is this how your family argues?" and so on. There is no resolution, just stalemate and letting her get on with it.

I've been reluctant to rock the boat for various reasons. One is that I've been going through a very difficult period at work and am looking at a potential change of job. (Her interest seems to have been limited to how much I might earn, rather than whether I'd be happier, and when I received an outline offer and said in some amazement that the figure they offered was more than anyone in my family had ever been paid, her reaction was very dismissive - at one level, yes, nobody in my family ever worked in that industry so it's not a like-for-like comparison - but surely she should appreciate how it felt to me?). The other is that we're due to remortgage any day now and I simply can't face the upheaval before that is sorted.

Increasingly though it feels to me that, as far as she's concerned, it's her world and I'm just living in it (while failing to meet expectations).

Not sure what I am asking for, if anything. I just need to get it out there. I am seeing a CBT therapist thanks to health insurance through work. But his focus is very much on managing emotions rather than helping to understand what is going on in the background. So I'm not sure that it's the most appropriate form of therapy to be honest, and nothing else is on offer.

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goody2shooz · 08/07/2026 22:30

@conflicted84 I’m so sorry you’re still stuck in this horrendous relationship, and very surprised your family haven’t expressed great concern for you. You really want to carry on like this? Are you at all happy? This person you live with - would you treat a friend this way? If you had a friend whose ‘d’p treated them like this, what would your advice be?
if you were my dc I would do everything in my power to make you see what a toxic relationship you’re in - and help you leave.

conflicted84 · 08/07/2026 22:42

goody2shooz · 08/07/2026 22:30

@conflicted84 I’m so sorry you’re still stuck in this horrendous relationship, and very surprised your family haven’t expressed great concern for you. You really want to carry on like this? Are you at all happy? This person you live with - would you treat a friend this way? If you had a friend whose ‘d’p treated them like this, what would your advice be?
if you were my dc I would do everything in my power to make you see what a toxic relationship you’re in - and help you leave.

@goody2shooz thanks for your kind words. My family have noticed and are very concerned. But I feel trapped by circumstances. Maybe in a few months I might be in a position to take more concrete steps, but not at the moment - not with a remortgage, a possible job change, and work on the house underway.

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scoobysnaxx · 08/07/2026 22:43

Life is too short.
it sounds like you need to part ways and find your happiness elsewhere and living your own life.

conflicted84 · 08/07/2026 22:57

While I think of it, I looked at the notes I've been keeping and spotted a few other possible indicators of narcissistic personality disorder - but it's so difficult to tell when you're in the middle of it. A few examples -

  • seemingly getting a kick out of being catcalled or propositioned on her way to/from the gym "even though they're not the sort of men you'd want to get attention from" (?!?! - and this from a self-professed feminist)
  • going on and on about how good she felt after going to the gym near her office "as though the street was my own personal catwalk"
  • disproportionate rage/passive aggression when I was too tired to get out of bed at 6:30 on a Sunday morning (something to do with her gym schedule; I later made a gentle joke along the lines of "did I miss the memo about lie-ins being banned?" and she went white and shook with rage - the only time I've seen anything similar was when I challenged her about her food-weighing habits)
  • ranting to her mother in increasingly loud and theatrical tones about "people getting ideas above their station" for some historical slight from decades ago (she does this often, her voice becomes increasingly posh and haughty - and I genuinely can't tell if it's a performance or genuine, but her mother is the same and very snobbish or old-fashioned)
  • very random, inexplicable one-day low moods where she's monosyllabic or grunts at me. We have both struggled with depression in the past at different times, so I understand what it's like but I wonder if I'm trying too hard to be understanding sometimes
  • frequent negative comparisons of life here to things in her home country even though she has repeatedly said she has no intention of going back

At best, it's all lining up to keep me off balance, and at worst it's a conscious decision to achieve that... or am I missing something?

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