June09: First birthdays coming up, we're on the move!

[June2009]

Happy Mother's day Juners ;)

morning all

MrsMcJnr, lovely to see you I hope you find something that works for A and her sleep soon, how's she going? Is the no cry thing showing any effect yet? I was quite surprised dd1 was watching one born every minute, I have told her she will feel very differently when she's at a point that she is ready to have a baby, I think at the moment it's a case of, well I don't want a baby now and this is why I think they've shown a couple of really positive births, would be nice to see a couple more though! Sounds like you're doing really well with your 5lbs, please don't feel your body's trying to keep it's energy levels up to keep you going on just a little sleep. I have told my dh terrys chocolate orange I daren't risk hinting, he generally doesn't pick up on that!

june, your holiday sounds lovely, especially deciding not to come back just yet It's been so much warmer recently, everyone seems a little more again! AIBU any good? some threads are hilarious!

gauchita, sounds like you've had a nightmare with your flights! Have you got all your luggage yet? If your bags are doing a world tour it would be most disappointing not to be able to join them How's M today? Hoping she's back to her normal self. Yes, I saw rivens thread, although I did wonder if it was the slating he got on here for not going that got him there in the end I too am hoping it wasn't all empty promises, all our local community services have been cut recently, it is no fun at all

some twat threw a bottle at our car on saturday as we were driving, we now have a lovely cracked windscreen. To top it off nicely, I rang the glass people through the insurance and had to pay the excess on the spot to find out a day later that they can't come out to replace it until the 12th April, huge backlog after all the icey weather

yesterday was lovely, it was dd3s 4th birthday, dd1 and myself took her to the soft play/activity thing they have at the local leisure centre while dh took dd2 and ds1 swimming. She thought it was great, we went to the disability session so it was lovely and quiet, she had a wonderful time, E had the hump so sat on a knee the whole time, he could have joined in but wasn't up for it, not sure why. Took them all to McDs for lunch which was quieter than usual and then had some family over in the afternoon. The dcs all seemed to be on best behaviour, E cheered up eventually and everyone went to bed happy

waves to all

Hi all!

Bigcar, sounds like dd3's birthday was lovely Glad to hear you all had a nice time and that she enjoyed it. for you re. the windscreen. Not on what the glass repair company did either. Glad to hear nothing happened besides a cracked window, though... what an idiot to throw a bottle at a moving vehicle! Yes, I also think he might have met her after MN got on the case It's terrible governments choose to introduce cuts in the areas that need the most support There are so many over-paid politicians, why not start there?

Hi to all Juners!

Well, the small bag arrived this morning. The other one landed today after its North American tour (bigcar, yes, it'd have been nice to at least have travelled with it! ) Hopefully I'll get it this afternoon.

I was so jet-lagged the other day I forgot to share with you some of M's new things On 20th March she got her first tooth! (bottom-centre) and on 22nd March she got the one next to that one She's now standing up all the time, that's all she wants to do I have to watch her like a hawk, though, as she has no sense of danger at all and ends up in some awkward positions

Last night she was still so off she went to bed at 12! I woke up this morning trying to go back into the normal routine. She took a long nap in the morning and is now down again. Hopefully she'll go back to it soon.

Hope you're having a nice day. It's rainy and damp over here. Miserable compared to the warm sunny Sunday we had yesterday.

Waves!!!

Wow it's quiet here!!! Where are you Juners!?

Strawbs, awww well done L!!! You must have been near tears I bet She's on the move now!

Hi to all Juners!

I think I'm going to resort to June's previous method of sending FB messages to everyone and see if I can persuade some of them to come back

June, hope you're having a lovely time! Hope you're not back yet (I mean that in the sweet way, so that you're still resting )

Skies, how's the move? The baptism?

Well my bags arrived safe and sound Now we have to plan the trip to Argentina

The news on the Argies' household is DH got a job proposal and he's accepted it. We've just recently told people as we wanted to make sure it went through He's really happy about it as it's a new area, therefore a challenge, but an exciting one for him

Is anyone having trouble keeping the LOs away from everything they're not supposed to touch M's unstoppable these days! She goes for cables, sockets, doors, aaaaaaaaaaaaanything that she's not supposed to, and of course gets mad when I move her away from them She's sleeping pretty badly also, not fully waking up but stirring a lot...

Hope to hear from you soon, lovely Juners!

Waves!!

"nearly in" tears Sorry about that...

afternoon all

gauchita, has gone a bit quiet recently hasn't it?! Obviously everyone is off in rl So pleased your bags finally turned up, must have been a relief! E is the same, into everything he shouldn't be and not at all bothered with the mountains of toys that inhabit my sitting room. Well done to your dh, fab news

strawberry, good on L, how fab, there will be no stopping her now Sorry to hear she gave you a fright, are you both sleeping ok now?

dd3 got her new glasses today and is refusing to wear them we've never had this before, she gets a new pair every 6 months so it's nothing new. Will have to see how she goes tomorrow and possibly go back. The dcs have all finished for easter now [woohoo] no school run for a couple of weeks

waves to all

hi bigcar! I know everyone must be busy in RL Hope dd3 befriends with her new glasses soon How fab students have 2 weeks holiday now! As I come from a different school system I'm always lost with the terms here

Strawbs, I got so carried away with the walking news I didn't say anything about the scare, sorry. Glad to hear L's fine, what a scary few seconds those must have been ((hug))

M's asleep now, let's hope for a few hours at least Off to do some reading MNing

Waves!!

We're back from holiday, it was lovely :D
We had a sea view and I long for a permanent sea view...

sam what a fright, are you going to mention it to your gp? (I have given up on our local health visitors altogether, completely useless.) Is this something you can monitor at all? (how did your dh get diagnosed?). C. coughed in the middle of the night the other day and choked on her boggie that came up (sorry tmi) and she was all floppy and gasping for air it was horrid, I'll never forget it. And now I'm always worried.
Good going, blimey walking already :D c is still not crawling or shuffling forward, all she does is sit and sometimes shuffles her bum so that she faces another way. (very good at that).

Actually, at the moment she does not like to sit or lie down she just wants to stand. like gauchita's M she is a really bad sleeper at the moment and has been ending up in our bed every night for the past three weeks.
She also goes for cables, marbles, knives, plastic bags, computer keys (she somehow got one off the keyboard and started chewing on it), not that we give her this things and I think our child proofing is generally pretty good!
I finally found my GF's contented and baby whisperers books (on the book shelf, in the baby section, where I must have look a thousand times?!?) now when to actually read them is another problem!
Congrats to dh gauchita! Hope you're back in your routine, are you working still?
How are you getting on with FB rallying round?

bigcar hope the glasses make their way on dd's nose sharpish, does she not wear any in the meantime? I wear glasses/contacts and I can't see anything without them. I don't remember refusing to wear mine, did they give her the right prescription?

I'd better be off, I have hips to do and I've got a headache from the travelling (6 hours drive + stops every 2 hours makes for a LONG journey).

take care juners!

evening all

dd3 has decided to wear the glasses today Like you june, she can't see a thing without them, I can only think that the frame is slightly thicker and that is why The prescription seems fine, she normally loves her glasses, hopefully she'll keep them on now!

june, how are you feeling now, hope you got some rest. Your Cs a talented girl, all those things she can do, especially liked the letter eating

gauchita, how's the sleeping going? Did you catch the thread about CUK trolling, very funny

waves to all

Bigcar, hi! Hope DD3's glasses stay on I used to have severe myopia and had laser surgery back in 2006. They told me with pregnancy I would go back a bit and I did, but only a bit (0.50) so I don't mind I saw that thread but got it so late I didn't understand a thing starting with the title However, if you're a bit down, AIBU certainly gives you a needed giggle

June, so glad you had a great time there Hope you're not too busy now and get all stressed out in less than 24hs I'm working from home, yes, but currently having some trouble getting payments I hate hate hate having to chase agencies for payments. That's what sucks about freelancing. Oh, another computer key fan here but here she herself takes them out! Not a happy mummy when I found out

I was hoping some Juners would come without a FB nudge but I guess that's not going to happen Soooo I'll log on and nudge them myself I'll lure them with some of bigcar's wine

Last night I was determined to not bring M to our bed during the night and GOD was it hard! She woke up at 12, 2 and 3.30 and by then I was a zombie but I managed to do it and she woke up at 6, when I did send DH off to bring her We'll see what happens tonight.

DH is at his "good-bye do" now so it's just me and the TV I have lots of stuff recorded and I have to catch up!

Waves!!!

morning all

dh is on his way up to Liverpool at the moment, he's going to visit the hallowed turf at Anfield he's just sent me a text: The pilgrims trek to the land of the holy shrine is nearly complete, less than 5 miles to go. I sent him one back: sad git ;) I have the remote for the telly firmly wedged under my bum, noone else gets to have a go today [mwahahahahhahah]

I am also ridiculously excited, Justin Fletcher is coming for a webchat on the 12th!

waves to all

hi girls, i'm back (sort of!).Came back from skiing, had a job interview, didn't get it (no great loss, something else will come up), went gallavanting around germany and greece visiting family and friends for 2 weeks and home yesterday. We are supposed to be camping for easter but the forecast not great, so at home and baby proofing the house.
A into power cords, the laptop, powerpoints, cupboards and loves pulling up on the toilet! He has cut both his top front teeth, learnt to crawl rather than slide around like a slug, pulling to stand and still won't sleep!
Aaagh, awake already from his nap. Will be back soon. Hope you are all well and looking forward to catching up properly with everyone

Ah yeah toilet paper is big entertainment round here too, C tears it in little bits and eats it if I'm not careful.
Dh's been looking after baby this morning so that I could tidy up the house (it was a tip with all the suitcases still open etc) but I have had some help and it looks a lot better now!)
They went shopping (though only brought back a pint of milk?) and they're both asleep on the bed now (aawwww, cute :D)

We have family round for easter sunday lunch which should be nice.

gauchita I've been doing a lot of chasing for money (it's horrid but it gets £££ in the bank, so worth doing.) I have a couple of standard letters/emails with various degrees of urgency that are quite good if you're interested I can FB them to you.

snow I'm always impressed with the amount of travelling you do. We went for 5 days and packed a whole bunch of things for the baby and forgot lots for us (only had 1 bra, no jumper or jacket, no shampoo or hairdryer!! dh only brought 1 jumper and we both only had 1 pair of shoes that we were wearing...) .

bigcar here's hoping the glasses stay on ;) Your dd must have found it annoying not to be able to see! Have a good pm watching telly (and drinking virtual wine)! I have a few things recorded on sky+ that I should watch soon or dh will be randomly deleting stuff to clear some space. I have recorded some "friends" even though I bought the box set a few years ago :S

I'm off to have my hair cut, first time in over a year iirc! .

Sorry I?ve been absent again. I just can?t seem to find any time for me at the moment which is bad as coming on here always makes me feel better.

We are having a terrible time with Aaliyah at the moment. As you know she has never slept much during the day or the night but she?s been taking things to extremes recently. I am implementing the ?No Cry Solution? and it does seem that she is learning to put herself back to sleep after coming into light sleep which is much better and we can generally get from 8pm-12/1am without her needing us. The last few nights though she has been waking at 2am and screaming until 5am. There doesn?t appear to be anything wrong with her (she does have a bit of a cold but it?s on the retreat) and bucks her back and won?t settle in any position in her cot or in my bed and whereas cuddling her used to be a comfort to her it doesn?t seem to be at the moment. Come the morning again she is her usual happy soul. I am at a loss as to what is going on. I am so sleep deprived and have mastitis on top of a cold at the mo

On top of that DS is being really naughty, throwing things, shouting ?No? all the time and whinging for cuddles all day even when you are actually cuddling him. All in all just the usual terrible twos but without any sleep to fortify me I am finding them both really hard work at the moment.

I?ll try and have a little catch up now

Love the Easter icons

Gauchita ? hope you are over the jet lag now and have all your bags what I would do for Aaliyah to sleep 15 hours though! Maybe I should fly long haul just for the effects? [ehm] I used to feel really home sick for my family when I was in Scotland immediately after I?d been home and then after a week or so I?d be fine again. I know yours are much further away but as you say, Christmas will be here before we know it and our babies will be 18m! In my mind Christmas seems so far away and we?ve discussed trying for baby 3 around then but time is ticking on and Aaliyah still isn?t sleeping! Congrats on M?s 2 teeth it really transforms their grin doesn?t it? Aaliyah is more interested in standing up and pulling herself up than anything else at the moment too. Thankfully she has now learnt to come down onto her knees or bottom rather than just letting herself fall. That was scary. She had an encounter with a corner on our marble skirting board last week but luckily it just came up with a huge egg and a small nick, I felt so sick. I now have a play zone for the kids. I have turned my playpen into a gate and blocked off one side of the lounge. She doesn?t always like being in there but at least I know she is pretty safe. I?ll put some photos of the zone on my profile. Congrats to Dh on the new job. Cables are a favourite for chewing here, and ?no? is greeted by much abuse ? I am dreading Aaliyah at 2yrs, my DS was such a calm baby. I agree with you that in the middle of the night when you want is to go back to sleep as quickly as possible it is hard to keep your wits about you and stick to the sleeping plan you have devised during the day!

Bigcar ? the ?No cry solution? is really interesting. I have completed the logs and have noticed things that I haven?t before about the patterns. There is a whole chapter on solutions and it is easy to get overwhelmed so I am reading a bit at a time and trying anything that might help. What I like about it is that it is geared towards the whole family not just the baby, as you know, it is impossible to create silence for one and spend hours getting them to nap in the day when you have another who doesn?t understand! I am DEVASTATED I cannot find a Galaxy egg anywhere and that was what I really wanted hey ho, am really looking forward to having some chocolate tomorrow I have to say from Tuesday I am going to give up bread for a month and see how I get one, I have a feeling that I have been compensating for the lack of stodge with that hope you get your Terry?s chocolate orange yum how awful about that bottle being chucked at your car why do people behave like that? Your DD3?s birthday sounded like a lot of fun, wonder why E didn?t join in, Aaliyah loves getting in amongst it shrieking ? DS has had a few parties recently and Aaliyah seems to have no fear when it comes to a pack of rowdy 2yr olds running about! Glad to hear DD3 is now wearing the glasses ? I need mine to even get out of bed these days and didn?t even wear glasses until I was 21! Re Justin Fletcher when I think of him these days all I can think of is ?tutti frutti? from the panto. He lives round the corner from my sis; she seems him in the supermarket!

Strawberrysam ? wow! Lizzie can walk, how exciting! I was at a party the other day and their baby who is 6 weeks older than Aaliyah was walking about and it is so sweet and funny to see a tiny tot on their feet isn?t it? what a horrible experience for you the other night my Dad always tells the tale of when I was a baby and he found me a similar way, he put me on his lap and drove to hospital only to be told I was just sound asleep! He still holds it against me! What about holding a mirror to her mouth next time you are worried, that works really well. DS doesn?t make a sound when he sleeps unlike Aaliyah the rhinoceros! I would recommend the ?No Cry Solution?. We are nowhere near a decent sleep at night yet but the book has some great tips. I have a PDF version so if you like I could email it to you.

June ? so glad you had a lovely holiday and hope you are feeling a lot better now that sounded horrible C choking like that I think you?ll find that the GH book has quite conflicting views with the BW. I love the BW but I needed something else to try hence reading the ?No Cry Solution?. I hope she starts sleeping better for you soon sleep deprivation is so debilitating. How is the hair cut?

Hey Snowwombat ? wow, what a busy time with you and what a lot of changes with your DS!

Hello lovely ladies - I am so sorry I have been so scarce but I am really struggling with working full time at the moment. I just feel shattered so much and just can't seem to catch up. It's not too bad as we are really lucky in that Jazzy sleeps well (when she's not teething!) but I have to get up really early and I'm still ebf which can be quite draining. I shouldn't complain too much though as Jazzy is a very sweet little girl x

She is crawling so fast and is into everything, of course it's cables and tv cabinet (bit precarious) and the kitchen floor... she is obsessed with the kitchen and just crawls there all the time. It doesn't help that the students who had this place before us tipped hot fat all over the floor so it's pitted and scarred! Might need to get a childgate for between there and the rest of the flat. She is also still a total paper lover and eats anything - leaflets, Easter cards, my national enquirer!

Sam - cannot believe L is walking, that's great . Jazzy is all about pulling herself up at the moment which is great but she took a nasty fall onto the corner of our coffee table (luckily had one of those corner things on it) but she mouth-butted it... She's got six teeth now but has been through a horrible week of teething this week!

MrsM - hope you've managed to grab some zzzz's. Sounds full on where you are at the moment but summer is on the way! Not that you'd know it - I had to scrape my windscreen in the week... when it is going to hot up here

Bigcar - am cracking open a small bottle of cobra beer... I have a few if you'd like to join me! And all Juners actually - I realised today just how much Jazzy has grown up. My friend's DD is three this coming weekend and I remember being at her 2nd one with my bump... a year ago, she was this tiny little thing and I look at her now and can't get over how far she's come! We should all have a nice cold one to celebrate how great our lo's are - so do join me

June - am quite jealous you've been on holiday... hope you had a wonderful time and are all relaxed! Our next holiday is going to be our honeymoon. I am getting quite excited now although still no engagement ring. Should be this week though so VERY excited.

Plans going well although am a bit cross at DFs mum.. She is loving getting involved and just gets carried away and I feel a bit stage managed at the moment. One example, and it sounds petty but just a quick vent... our invites. I wanted to just buy them but I was told that L would really love to make them... I tried to insist and was told that L is at a loose end for a week in February so wants to do them... so we go and buy all this stuff to handmake them. Saw them yesterday (despite her supposedly doing them in Feb) and they look horrid Really don't know what to do - I want to just go out and buy them like I was going to but Noooo... and I don't know how to say 'They look cheap and homemade and awful' without actually saying it. Any ideas? I'm seeing them tomorrow...!

Snow - you sound like you've been on a fab getaway.. very .. we're going camping in the new forest for our honeymoon so not very glam.. Should be good - just the two of us though..

Anyways - sorry this has been such a 'me' post but I just don't have the time to really catch up. I will try to read from now on though... it's always super to hear from you all!

- clink your bottles x -

Skillbo - just v quick as A is crying if you don't like the invites just say so, it's your wedding and all that counts is that you and your DP are happy don't let anyone bully you. This is coming from a total control freak who had to have everything at her wedding just so, some might say not to sweat the small stuff but that's not what I'd do! as I see it, the invitation is an insight into what your wedding is going to be like so it is really important

It would probably be better if you told her straight.
Like mrsmc said the inviteds are supposed to set the tone for the wedding (ours were ivory and gold and the dress/suit/room/flowers were all in that theme).

If you feel too bad can you say that someone from your family has bought the invites you wanted to go for in the first place already?

Do they already say the invite details with wedding time etc?
Can you use one set for a "save the date" card and get your ones or the proper invite?

what i learnt from my wedding is that people like to get involved and that they get really offended if you don't follow their "advice" (bit like when youre pregnant!) sometimes you have to compromise to keep the peace. (do you want total control of every single detail of your wedding so that your day is just the way you want/planned for or is it more important that people close to you who want to help feel like they have been involved?)
I was very lucky that mil has very good taste as she was very heavily involved in designing the whole thing and i was happy that she was there.
Some people just had to be let down. The family friend who was going to make me look like cruella de ville on a bad day "A vogue magazine model" put so much mascara on me "to try it" I was finding it hard to keep my eyes open!!!
I was scared shitless she was going to turn up on my doorstep on the wedding day with her suitcase of make up and fake tan. In the end I just avoided her until we were told they were not coming.(oops).

can you say the dog ate them? :D

We're having family over tomorrow, big cooking day for us, and I'm making apple crumble for dessert, yummy!

happy easter!

Hi all!

Awww so nice to hear from some Juners we hadn't heard from in a while Effie replied to the FB message saying she was about to go on holidays but afterwards she'd come for a chat some wine And Laura also replied saying she was coming soon as well

Mrsmc, I also read the book but didn't get really into the routine as we were about to go on holidays and I knew things were going to change after that anyway I always keep you in my thoughts and pray you get some more sleep, I really don't know how you can cope with so little rest and 2 LOs (((hug))) I hope hope hope A starts sleeeping more with the new tips from the book. FWIW what I tried from it before leaving worked

Skillbo, I won't go into my wedding experience as it was just awful re. ILs, but I agree with June and Mrsmc, if you really dislike them you need to say something. If you think she'll get it the wrong way, why not talk to DP so that he tells her maybe? If you think they're really bad you'll probably regret it later and it might be too late to change anything, IFKWIM. Glad to hear J is sleeping well and that we have a paper/odd-things eater there as well Babies are weird! Oh, I'm with you on how fast these have grown! They'll be one soon!

June, thanks for that offer If I don't get any news in the next couple of weeks, I'll let you know I'm at a crossroads now wrt freelancing, it's not bringing in a lot and I have a 5mth backlog of payments so I don't think it's working too well for us I'll have to re-think what the options are. FT employment in what I do is not well paid so I might have to go into a related area but not my area We'll see... How was the haircut?

Bad night here, M's really weird these days wrt her sleep, she just stirs and twists and is knaaaaaaaaaaaaackered but won't just sleep

Screaming M now so I'll come back later

Happy easter!!!

Waves!!

afternoon all

Happy Easter!

Just back from a family roast dinner. It was lovely and we got the invites and they look much better in person - they need a slight tweak but overall, we're pretty happy! Thanks for all your advice though ladies - I am going to have to start putting my foot down a bit but we have at least won on the wedding cake front and we're having Krispy Kreme donuts in a big tier

So sorry to hear you're all struggling with sleep at the moment. We've been a bit disturbed but not too badly really and it is definitely teething! Jazzy had a bit of a cold and the weather hasn't been great but she was waking often in the night, although luckily not for long (and DF is on night duty these days). She has been off her food - a lot and she is only ever like that with teeth. She's got 6 but we reckon two more on the bottom are due as she is suffering a lot.

Here's hoping everything perks up a bit for you all though - I hope you all get a good sleep tonight, present from the Easter Bunny! If it helps, Kiddy Neurofen is orange goo sent from heaven.

Strawbs - I was sorry to read your news. I hope it all goes well. And that sounds like a massive road trip - here's hoping L suddenly starts to love long journeys.

June - very about your haircut... I hope you're really pleased with it. My hair is a mess at the mo but am planning on getting it coloured and 'done' for my wedding so not long now. How was your apple crumble - yum!

Bigcar - Feeling a little broody by any chance ... I must confess that I am thinking about it - just thinking at this stage but who knows.

Guachita - thanks for reminding me to get my bum on here, it's so nice to be able to catch up. Sorry to hear freelancing isn't quite working out for you but I am sure you will find something. Hope you've got all your bags back - blooming airlines!

Jazzy was up early today and is just trying to stand up ALL THE TIME... sometimes not even using the table or sofa. Its quite full on but she does make me laugh!

Hope everyone's last day of the four day weekend is fab.. going to feed ducks, I think

June ? glad you agreed with my advice to Skillbo, went away thinking that I was probably a mean cow but I was also remembering the stress of my own wedding and the do-gooders from that so it was a bit emotionally charged. I remember being furious with my Dad as he started his speech with the words ?we now know how Chairman Mao felt after his long walk?? my parents were a nightmare during the planning, couldn?t be relied on to get anything done and they were in situ as well ? hey ho, 4 years on, should just let it go

Gauchita ? thanks for your kind thoughts and prayers for sleep for me maybe Aaliyah will feel the karma soon ? she was better last night, the resounding response I got from my post on the sleep section about the hours of screaming was that it was teeth and to try ibrufen instead of calpol, let her chew on a damp flannel and use Ashton & Parsons ? I did all of these and she only fussed for 30 mins at 4.30am but she had been in my bed since 12.30 and had woken as few times after that, still a massive improvement though. I have got an appointment with the paediatrician tomorrow, I promised DH I?d take her even though I doubt it will help, I don?t think it is a medical issue. From what you said about M it sounds like teeth could be the culprit with you too, hope tonight is a better night for you all.

Bigcar ? thanks for the Galaxy didn?t get any but have overdosed on Cadbury?s dairy milk and feel sick and wired! managed to get through the day with DS not eating much chocolate so that was great ? he went on an egg hunt in my parents? garden and put the eggs he?d found in his little wheel barrow and then the dog came along and scoffed all but one! DS wasn?t upset, just amused! .Aaliyah had a Cadbury?s button and loved it!

Strawberrysam ? sorry to hear about DH?s grandpa sounds like a busy weekend ahead! Thanks for the offer of the egg, sweet of you. When I read that part in the book which asks if I really want change or is it that everyone else is pushing it on me and I am really quite happy I answered a resounding ?yes, I want change!? I know the snuggling and secret time in the middle of the night with your baby is so precious but I am beginning to resent it there is a section in the back of the No Cry book about sleep apnoea by the way (in case you haven?t seen it yet)

Skillbo ? glad the invites have made you happy ? phew! we had a lovely Easter lunch too though my Dad seemed preoccupied? Aaliyah loved gnawing on the roast beef, guess it was nice on her gums! I can feel her 11th tooth coming through poor little thing!