Feb 08 "Sore nips & no naps"

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Sorry guys- it is better with the date non?

Ahem, shall I get off my soap box now

Hello am having a miserable day, thought i had got the bf sussed but LO still not gaining weight DAMN DAMN DAMN. was so determined to keep going with exclusive bf but now starting to doubt myself. dh still at work as usual - and when he does come home he is always exhasuted and just wants to go to bed.

Oh Sally sorry to hear lo isn't gaining much weight. Have you had any advice from a HV or anyone? Seems like lots of us are having trouble with our boobs one way and another.

I'm still in a lot of pain. My GP has told me to keep going with the fluconazole for thrush (I have 10 more days left), and prescribed stronger painkillers, but to be honest, I'm thinking that breastmilk laced with thrush medications & painkillers for weeks at a time can't possibly be better than formula????? I'm keeping in mind the longer term outcomes, and I really, really want to keep bf. I will be devastated if I have to stop, but things just aren't getting any better. I think I'll post on the breastfeeding section & see if anyone has any other ideas about what I can do to help myself.

Pobletsmum - I'm so sorry this isn't getting any better for you. I hope you can get some answers on the other thread.

We have just popped home as we are making the most of the good weather and have spent most of the day at the park!

Great thing about dh's job is that he can't moan that the house is a tip as I have spent the day with the kids in the park!!

poblets sorry to hear you are in so much pain.
HV says DS looks healthy so keep going for the moment, tho i could go to mix feeding if i want (but i am scared this will hurt my supply and be the beginning of the end of bf).

Hi Sally and Poblet and anyone else feeling a bit shite. Sally I imagine everything is made worse if DH gets home so late so often. My DH is home about 7:30 three nights a week and 6:30 the other two, and I always feel so much more positive on the earlier nights, even though 7:30 is not bad compared to some. Just means he is home and can bath DS1 and get him ready for bed while I see to the DTs.

Fingers crossed for you that you can continue to bf, do you know how much LO weighs now, compared to birth? Are scales def correct etc?

Too cheer you up, DS1 just smeared poo round the sitting room . Not really intentionally but still horrendous. He was trying for a poo, got a bit out, put his hand in his nappy and voila. I didn't see it in time. He has had an early bath and is now doing acrobatics on the sofa.

Beany we too spent a couple of hours at the park earlier (not all day tho). Was the first time the babies have ever been fed anywhere but at home (apart from hospital). Was only doable as my doula was here today, otherwise can't keep an eye on DS1 and be able to stop him jumping from the top of slide / leaving play area etc whilst feeding babies.

Poblets - no personal experience but from years of lurking at misc.kids.breastfeeding (before usenet disappeared under a pile of spam) I know the most effective treatment is apparently gentian violet - you paint it on your nipples and it actually works. There's stuff at Kellymom about it - Dr Jack Newman is a real expert so look at his site.

Breastmilk with traces of painkillers/thrush treatment is still better for your baby than formula milk so don't be too concerned about that, Thomas Hale is the expert on which meds are incompatible with breastfeeding (remarkably few).

hth

Sally - quote from Kellymom: "If supplements are medically indicated, breastmilk is preferred over formula as a supplement (exceptions to this are rare), and the average fat/calorie content of mom's milk is higher than that of formula. Mom can pump for 5-10 minutes after nursing (don't interrupt or shorten the nursing session to do this), and offer this higher-fat hindmilk to baby as needed."

Have a lovey break in Spain Omy and let's do Kenwood when you get back (plus anyone else that can make it)

Poblet and Sally - sorry to hear about continuing trouble with b/f. Have either of you got What to Expect When You're Breastfeeding (and what to do if you can't)? It's a really useful read.

DS just done his first poo since the weekend... so we've both had a pooey day again Egg although luckily most of it was contained within nappy and not spread around room! Luckily I'm coming down with a cold so no sense of smell. Unluckily I feel crp with it.

Happy weekend all.....

thanks for your nice comments.
dh eventually came back around midnight.i would have had a go at him,but he feels bad enough about it already.

Egg - yes well DS only just got above his birthweight at 6 week weigh-in and the hv scales are def correct alas. there is debate over whether birth weight was accurate but tbh i think it was.

Slacker - thing is, i am already supplementing with ebm and i cant pump v much.

Gill - sorry you feel crap. i do actually have the what to expect book but find kellymom far more useful tbh.

tee hee at all the poo stories

Hmmmm so maybe the post I tried to put up this morning was what crashed mumsnet as it's not here!!!!!!!

Hope everyone's enjoyed the sunshine, apparantly sposed to be wintery again by the end of the weekend damn it!!!

Sally, my post earlier was mostly directed at you and it was asking what had the hv said etc. It sounds like she's not overly worried. How much weight has she put on so far? Maybe it's just a slow down and then she'll speed up again? Expressing after a feed can also increase your supply so if ou can do it is good if thats the issue.

Poor old ds2 has another cold except this time it's quite bad. He sounded awful when he woke up in the night and he's coughing which sounds so sore. He's been packed off tonight with a tiny bit of calpol, a vapouriser, yellow pages under his cot and nasal drops!!! Hopefully its shortlived. Honestly, never had this with ds1 who was formula fed!!! I tell you - god knows what immunities I'm passing to ds2 at present but its not the common cold!!!!

Countto10 - I think 2nd and subsequent babies do tend to get more colds etc because they're exposed to more germs from their older siblings.

Sally - I'm glad your hv is being supportive - if she thinks you lo looks healthy then I would carry on as you are for the moment - you're doing great.

Hany in there poblets - you're doing great too. I've read that shooting pains can mean you're drinking too much caffeine - could that be the case?

Glad your lo has poohed Gill! LOL at the poo smears Egg.

It was raining here this morning but was nice this afternoon so got out into the garden for a few hours which was nice. Hope everyone has a nice weekend.

Thanks for the reassurance Countto10! LO is feeding so much at the mo - it is good to know it will calm down! She is being a real sweetie though - goes to sleep in her cot no problem as long as she has done all her burps!

Your poor little coldy one - it is so miseerable for them when they are stuffed up!

Rozzy - shooting pains with let-down - YES - I will try to cut out the caffeine - it's just that I LOVE my tea and chocolate!!

Gill - will see you at Kenwood when I get back!

hi count, well its all in kg sorry but birth weight 4.24kg, lowest weight 3.32kg , regained to 4.14 at 3 weeks and now only 4.26 so only put on 4oz in the last 3 and a half weeks ... Not great.
Initially it may have been a supply issue but I do not think it is now. More an issue of LO not taking enough.
Keep thinking every week thst the weight gain will pick up, and it doesn't.

Can i join please?? I didnt actually join the ante-natal thread as i was too scared, but had a look in everyday to see how everyone was feeling etc.
My little man Henley was born on 11.02.08 weighing in at 6lb 7oz. I have so many questions re feeding, sleeping/not sleeping. Im a first time mum so dont have much experience at all and feel a bit thick to be honest when it comes to my baby. Hope you dont mind me joining

How I understand that "feeling thick" feeling! You hear so much about the maternal instinct, you feel you ought to know immediately how to put nappies on, which cry means what, whether a rash is meningitis or just needs some Sudacrem, etc etc...

missnatalie - welcome to the thread!! Please don't ever think you are thick, we've all been there. I stood in the hospital with ds1 and nearly had to call for help as I just couldn't work out how to put a nappy on him.

Good news - titch was asleep by 8pm last night.
Bad news - he woke up at 4.30am and didn't want to go back to sleep.

Oh, and I am up for Kenwood when Omy gets back. Shall we aim for 3 weeks time?

missnatalie welcome and congratulations on the arrival of Henley (lovely name)

Well wednesday wasn't too bad after all, the balloons were great if not a bit upsetting, and then we had a lovely lunch out. Mum was on and off all day, me and sis went round to hers later for a glassof wine and we had a laugh remembering some of the things dad did

I'll have to read back to catch up properly, btw DS2 has'nt had a poo since tues

welcome miss natalie- and congrats on you baby boy!!!

HATCHED!:bABIES!!!!!!

??-01-08 - Ladlemonke -
04-01-08 - Gingermumi - Toby
10-01-08 - Egg - Rebecca 4lb 11oz and Jacob 5lb 4oz
10-01-08 - Miniandme - Abby and Jack
19-01-08 - Leesmum - James
23-01-08 - Beansprout - Theo Daniel
26-01-08 - Gill79 - Malcom
31-01-08 - ALKAR - Daniel Joseph
31-01-08 - Merlypuss - Thomas William -6lb
??-??-08 - Expectingkat -
21-01-08 - Saskia71 - Boy
29-01-08 - Countto10 - Jack
04-02-08 - Lucyand2 - Isabelle
04-02-08 - Morningglory - Alexander
14oz and Isaac Jamie -5lb14oz
06-02-08 - Jooseyfruit - seth - 9lb 5oz
07-02-08 - Sarahmikeandharry - Rosie Olivia 7lb12.5oz
09-02-08 - Slacker - Felix
??-??-08 - Mutha2beagain -
10-02-08 - Ayshirelolo - Alexis Zoe - 7lb 7oz
08-02-08 - Jo9977 - Daniel Brian -6lb 12oz
??-??-08 - PK616 - Kya
11-02-08 - Rozzyraspberry - Andrew - 8lbs 3oz
11/02/08 - missnatalie - Henley-
09-02_08 - Loobyt - James Edward - 8lbs 2oz
??-??-08 - Rapunzelle -
12-02-08 - Omy - Leila
13-02-08 - Cosima - Isaac Louis
13-02-08 - Ruva - Saba
06-02-08 - Blondiep15 ? Charlie
15-02-08 - Lljkk aka OneHandedTypist
??-??-08 - Manamana ? Stanley
14-02-08 - Mymissus -'Digby' -7lb 30z
14-02-08 - Blue Domino - Clara - 7lb 9oz
16-02-08 - Sallyinyorkshire - James
17-02-08 - Wotsits ? emyr
??-??-08 - Sherida -
19-02-08 - Widgetsmummy - Bethan Grace - 9lb
20-02-08 - Amy78 - Zoe Isabella - 6lb 11oz
??-??-08 - Filly -
??=??=08 - Pobletsmum
24-02-08 - sireedubs-Daniel James Henry
22-02-08 - Bessie123 - Daisy Hannah - 9lb 10oz
27-02-08 - Readytopop - Olivia Rose - 7lbs
26-02-08 - Violeta - Sophie 7lbs 3oz
24-02-08 - K27- Noah Jack 8lb6oz
23-02-08 - Bovril Sarnies - Seren Fenella 9lbs 3oz
25-02-2008-thequietone-DS
27-02-08 - Lovemymum - Katherine Natalia
28-02-08 - Mitford Sisters - Hector James
28-02-08 - Tallulah1978-Elijah
29-02-08 - lailasmum - Toben Spencer 7lb 10oz
01-03-08 - Samsmam - Sophie
07-03-08 - tyaca - Esther Dear, 6lb 10oz
??-03-08 - Redbush- Annabel Holly 8lb10oz
13-03-08 - Jaysthird- Cooper 11lb3oz
??-03-08 - princessllama -Ferdie
??-03-08 - smithsfield- DD

LADIES WHO WERE ON THREAD BUT WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM !!!!!
29/01/08 - dearbeatrice - (33, surrey ) first baby
29/01/08 - Iampgatlast - (21, beds Boy) first timer
01/02/08 - wahidc - (31, West Sussex)
02/02/08 - VictorVictoria, ds almost 2
02/02/08 - Bristols - DS 9 months
03/02/08 - Pia03hj, hopefully first one
06/02/08 - mummylittle - first baby!!
07/02/08 - Basilbrush - DS 16 months
07/02/08 - cornishkitten - first baby
10/02/08 - ThursdayNext - DS 2yrs
11/02/08 - latebloomer - DS 10m
13/02/08 - Loonyballoony - DD 2yrs 7mon
13/02/08 - tadpolemummy - DS 2 years 2 months
14/02/08 - Hungrymama - (36, south wales) dd
16/02/08 - Lightwind - Putney - first one
19/02/08 - 93pjb (32, Cambridge)first
19/02/08 - rosequartz - dd 6.5yrs; ds 5.5yrs; ds 4.5yrs; dd 3.5yrs; dd 2yrs.4mnths; ds 1yr. 3mnths.
20/02/08 - KikiH (29, Surrey) first one
24/02/08 - Lexie100 - dd 20 mths
25/02/08 - Gybegirl - dd 15 mths
26/02/08 - nikki7984 (27 SW London) first one
27/02/08 - bambiraptor - ds 3.5yrs dd 2.0yrs
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miss natalie i have added you to our roll call!!!!

HATCHED!:BABIES!!!!!!

??-01-08 - Ladlemonke -
04-01-08 - Gingermumi - Toby
10-01-08 - Egg - Rebecca 4lb 11oz and Jacob 5lb 4oz
10-01-08 - Miniandme - Abby and Jack
19-01-08 - Leesmum - James
23-01-08 - Beansprout - Theo Daniel
26-01-08 - Gill79 - Malcom
31-01-08 - ALKAR - Daniel Joseph
31-01-08 - Merlypuss - Thomas William -6lb
??-??-08 - Expectingkat -
21-01-08 - Saskia71 - Boy
29-01-08 - Countto10 - Jack
04-02-08 - Lucyand2 - Isabelle
04-02-08 - Morningglory - Alexander
14oz and Isaac Jamie -5lb14oz
06-02-08 - Jooseyfruit - seth - 9lb 5oz
07-02-08 - Sarahmikeandharry - Rosie Olivia 7lb12.5oz
09-02-08 - Slacker - Felix
??-??-08 - Mutha2beagain -
10-02-08 - Ayshirelolo - Alexis Zoe - 7lb 7oz
08-02-08 - Jo9977 - Daniel Brian -6lb 12oz
??-??-08 - PK616 - Kya
11-02-08 - Rozzyraspberry - Andrew - 8lbs 3oz
11/02/08 - missnatalie - Henley-6lb7oz
09-02_08 - Loobyt - James Edward - 8lbs 2oz
??-??-08 - Rapunzelle -
12-02-08 - Omy - Leila
13-02-08 - Cosima - Isaac Louis
13-02-08 - Ruva - Saba
06-02-08 - Blondiep15 ? Charlie
15-02-08 - Lljkk aka OneHandedTypist
??-??-08 - Manamana ? Stanley
14-02-08 - Mymissus -'Digby' -7lb 30z
14-02-08 - Blue Domino - Clara - 7lb 9oz
16-02-08 - Sallyinyorkshire - James
17-02-08 - Wotsits ? emyr
??-??-08 - Sherida -
19-02-08 - Widgetsmummy - Bethan Grace - 9lb
20-02-08 - Amy78 - Zoe Isabella - 6lb 11oz
??-??-08 - Filly -
??=??=08 - Pobletsmum
24-02-08 - sireedubs-Daniel James Henry
22-02-08 - Bessie123 - Daisy Hannah - 9lb 10oz
27-02-08 - Readytopop - Olivia Rose - 7lbs
26-02-08 - Violeta - Sophie 7lbs 3oz
24-02-08 - K27- Noah Jack 8lb6oz
23-02-08 - Bovril Sarnies - Seren Fenella 9lbs 3oz
25-02-2008-thequietone-DS
27-02-08 - Lovemymum - Katherine Natalia
28-02-08 - Mitford Sisters - Hector James
28-02-08 - Tallulah1978-Elijah
29-02-08 - lailasmum - Toben Spencer 7lb 10oz
01-03-08 - Samsmam - Sophie
07-03-08 - tyaca - Esther Dear, 6lb 10oz
??-03-08 - Redbush- Annabel Holly 8lb10oz
13-03-08 - Jaysthird- Cooper 11lb3oz
??-03-08 - princessllama -Ferdie
??-03-08 - smithsfield- DD

LADIES WHO WERE ON THREAD BUT WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM !!!!!
29/01/08 - dearbeatrice - (33, surrey ) first baby
29/01/08 - Iampgatlast - (21, beds Boy) first timer
01/02/08 - wahidc - (31, West Sussex)
02/02/08 - VictorVictoria, ds almost 2
02/02/08 - Bristols - DS 9 months
03/02/08 - Pia03hj, hopefully first one
06/02/08 - mummylittle - first baby!!
07/02/08 - Basilbrush - DS 16 months
07/02/08 - cornishkitten - first baby
10/02/08 - ThursdayNext - DS 2yrs
11/02/08 - latebloomer - DS 10m
13/02/08 - Loonyballoony - DD 2yrs 7mon
13/02/08 - tadpolemummy - DS 2 years 2 months
14/02/08 - Hungrymama - (36, south wales) dd
16/02/08 - Lightwind - Putney - first one
19/02/08 - 93pjb (32, Cambridge)first
19/02/08 - rosequartz - dd 6.5yrs; ds 5.5yrs; ds 4.5yrs; dd 3.5yrs; dd 2yrs.4mnths; ds 1yr. 3mnths.
20/02/08 - KikiH (29, Surrey) first one
24/02/08 - Lexie100 - dd 20 mths
25/02/08 - Gybegirl - dd 15 mths
26/02/08 - nikki7984 (27 SW London) first one
27/02/08 - bambiraptor - ds 3.5yrs dd 2.0yrs

Welcome missnatalie!

Welcome Miss Natalie - well we can all be a bit thick at times. My poor mum had to go home on the train with DS's wee on her trousers today. I bought him a lovely fluffy organic cotton nappy today and I put it on him and gave him to her for a cuddle as his bottom was so lovely and soft and cuddly in it. Never realised you have to put a waterproof liner on top......

DS has got my cold, his throat's a bit crackly with mucus but he seems happy enough. And AMAZING he slept from 11.30 last night till 5 and then until 9. Could live with a routine like that....

W/c 21st at Kenwood? We should probably head back to the Meet-Up thread