Feb 08 "Sore nips & no naps"

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Sorry guys- it is better with the date non?

Welcome miss natalie - my ds Andrew was born on the same day as Henley. He's my third and I still feel a bit thick and clueless at times although I'm far more relaxed this time round.

Sally - are you feeding lo from both sides each feed. There have been a few threads on here lately about poor weight gain and feeding from both sides has improved things. Also if your lo falls asleep when feeding have you tried doing the nappy change then and if lo wakes offering more milk? I'm sure you've already tried these things already.

Leesmum - I'm glad things went ok with the balloons and lunch. It must have been hard but you seem to have coped really well with your loss and I'm sure you and your sister, and your little ones are helping your mum get through this.

Gill - I hope your lo keeps that routine up!! Sounds good. My lo is definitely spacing out his feeds during the night (was only up once two nights ago) but I think I've still got a long time to wait until he's sleeping through.

Hi everyone and welcome Miss Nathalie,and perfectly OK to feel like you don't know one end of a baby from the other. Everyone assumes that just cos you're a mother you'll instinctively know what to do right from the start but as every mum knows, these instincts develop with experience and time and every child is different! It's just that there's some mums out there who profess to know it all and we've all come across those types...

Sorry have been off air for a few days ... went away to a country house hotel en famille for the first time , just so lovely to get away and have a change of scene with bottle washing being the only chore to do!! Worked brilliantly except LO had quite a stinking cold and was spluttering huge greenies on his cute little face, ewwww. Also managed to sneak in a bit of time to myself for a massage and a facial which was heavenly.

DS1 managed to use the remote control to rack up a few movies on the hotel bill and has developed an obsession with Meet the Fockers - he keeps on asking me what little Jack's first word was (asshole). Luckily he doesn't get it. Not something I want him to go back to school repeating.

Trying to catch up on thread. Beansprout hope you are OK after your accident and managed to get some help with your brood. Also really enjoyed your DH's article, a sad indictment of our modern times that many children don't get to have proper physical play like we used to in our childhoods..

Sorry to hear Sally and Poblet that you are having BF difficulties, I do admire your bravery and persistence and I hope things things get better soon.

DS2 had his first immunisation on Thursday and screamed, I mean screamed the doctor's surgery down. He was inconsolable and this is a little baby who barely cries. Thankfully I had bottle of formula ready and had to jam it into his mouth to stop the noise. Got many concerned looks, just dreading the next round, and the next round..

Sorry for the long post but hope you are all doing OK

hi i've been having problems with the bf too. started to feel really awful last night and turns out i've got mastitis. relieved in a small way because i was getting really depressed and tearful and just thinking i needed to be stronger. downside is i'm on antibiotics and i'm really worried it'll effect ds. i had to have them with dd and from then on she was a nightmare for almost the whole first year with food intolerances and reflux. how is anyone else's lo's whilst they've been on antibiotics?
pobletsmum have you tried cutting out all sugar in your diet for the thrush?
sally hang in there-went through the same thing with dd and it was really nerve wracking. i caved in and supplemented with formula and my supply plummeted. v bad for morale. still, once was doing ff entirely felt huge wait off my mind.
brain is numb and boobs burning so will hit the sack.

princessllama - MUCH SYMPATHY over the mastitis, which Ab are you on? I have just finished a course of flucloxacillin for my mastitis (i was v tearful with it too! weird eh), the capsules tasted nasty and bitter so i was worried LO would go off the taste of my milk but suprisingly he seemed hungrier than ever for it! and has been generally fine as far as i can tell.

rozzy - yes we are def feeding from both breasts - often end up offering the "3rd breast" or even the 4th lol

mutha - gosh the imms sound awful. was your lo ok afterwards or a bit miserable overnight? am dreading these!

gill - lol at your nappy story!!

seems like everyones LOs are sleeping through, or at least 5-6 hours at a stretch - is anyone else only getting 4hrs sleep at a time? or is it just that my lo has all that growth to catch up on still?

Sally and Princess, very sorry to hear that you are both stricken with mastitis. I have no direct experience of this but it sounds dreadful. Hope it passes over soon. How on earth do you still manage to feed through it? Amazing!

Sally, the jabs were awful and I was warned that LO could be unsettled afterwards for a day or two which he was. Luckily he did not develop a temperature which I was also warned about. GP said that they can have calpol in this instance 2 X 2.5ML if necessary. His cry just spoke of pure rage to me, like how dare you do this? Not a great morning for either of us.

Don't know about the rest of the country but it's a white April outside this morning. DS1 desperate to get out there but we can't find his gloves - no wonder his bedroom is a pigsty!

Sally - my lo has only just started to go for 4 hours between feeds at night! Before that he was only going for 3/3.5 hours. Last night he was fed at 7.30, 11.30, 3.15am then 6.30am (my other 2 get up between 6 and 6.30m anyway so this is 'morning' for us). I think it's going to be a long time until I get a full nights sleep. We've got immunisations on Thursday which I'm dreading.

We haven't even had the postnatal check, yet -- I think they do it at 8 weeks here, although supposedly I will get a card thru the post, and the jabs come some time after that.

Reading Beansprout's dh's article depressed me... I was talking about this kind of stuff on an outing with a friend the other day (we had baby + 6 mobile young kids between us). We both agreed there was something essential we had in childhood our kids don't have, a lot of which was about mucking around pointlessly for hours. We both try to get our kids to do it, but it's inadequate because we're adults with adult agenda and stuff to organise; we don't have the time.

When we were 8yo's we would have just said "See ya' later ma" and gone by ourselves to a friend's house up the road to see if they were busy. If they weren't in, we would have wandered off to another friend's house, no mobile phones, just a time to be back by and a geographic area we were limited to.

Now I dare not even let my 8yo walk to school alone in case Social Services gets informed (so much for government support my arse on that one, really and my friend has to spend an hour on the phone playing social secretary for his DC all going in different directions, by car usually because the parents lack the time to escort everyone on foot.

Sally - 3 to 4 hours is normal for us!

Have just sent another guest away with baby wee on her jeans.... not really getting the hang of these washable nappies

Good evening all-

hope everyone is ok-

Well i went out with some girl friends last night for a meal and a few drinks- left both DC's with DH at 6pm- went to my mates (who b'day it was to get ready etc)so both DCs' were awake- had bathed DD but Ds was to be bathed)!!! Anyway called home before leaving for the pub- all well- told Dh won't be too late-

oh dear- we got in a taxi at 01-44 extremely drunk- giggling like school girls- had a fab night laughed the whole time i honestly thought i was going to suffer today- after drinking-
2 glasses of red- b4 going out
shared a bottle and 1/2 of rose with one friend
had 4 shots of red aftershock- (just because all the others did)
a coke
then a g&t appeared so i had to drink that too

woke up to a winter wonderland of snow and was out having a snowball fight with dh and ds at 9-30 and felt fab- just tired!!!heehee-

Does that make me a binge drinker?

oh and the DC's were very good and Dh managed to get the playstation on!!!!

so i had a good weekend- how bout you lot?

I forgot to tell you i went for 8 week postnatal check on friday- we are both ok- have decided to have the implant fitted in my arm as my contraception- Doc said best to have it done when on period (between days 1-5) so make appt for next cycle- (next week or so i thought so thats ok) anyway woke sat morning to find it came in the night- so now got to get appt tomorrow to have it fitted or wait another month!!!!

What everyone else gonna do- just out of interest?

DD has her injections on thurs as the nurse was sick on friday-

Must say I felt like a bit of a teenager when my GP asked me about contraception ... and I just replied that I don't plan on having sex anytime soon.... no seriously jokes aside, doctor suggested a coil (the non hormonal variety). Anyone got any experience of these? There's no way on earth DH would agree to having his tubes tied!

we are too young(im 24- DH 26) to have anything permanent done- but not sure i never want any more- who knows!!!!maybe just one more(dont tell Mike)

Sorry got no exp with coil- personaly just dont fancy one which i why i chose the implant-

Hello everyone

Posted a thread on the Sleep forum and was invited onto this thread by sarahmikeharryandrosie so thought that I would join you lot if that's ok.
I have a 9 week old dd - she's fab and is doing brilliantly, sleeping really well at night - 7.30 - 5.30 ish, feed and then back down within the last week so feeling a bit more human the last few days!
Am struggling with day time naps though - will only sleep on me, in sling or in the buggy - if I try to put her down she screams the place down. Any ideas??

welcome cavs- the cavalry will offer advise real soon- Your DD sleeps well at night- wow

sarah - re contraception I am still sticking to my original plan of ABSTINENCE

Sarah - I know how lucky I am that dd is sleeping so well at night (fingers crossed - it has only been the last 5 nights so am expecting it to change very soon!!)
So I shouldn't really be getting in a state about her sleep during the day but would like some tips, especially from those who have done it all before!!

lol- Sally

Cavs- With DD i generally let her sleep wherever in the day -(normally in car seat or bouncy chair on kitchen table/worktop if DS is at home- (i know i know they should not be on a raised surface!!!! i got into a bad habit!!!!-will change soon as DD gets wriggling more and more!!!)Also its near the PC so i can see her whilst on mnet!!

she will also sleep in the pram, but most of the time i just let her please herself- sometimes will put her into the crib or cot upstairs but with being ina dn out dollecting and dropping off Ds at nursery it a little more difficult-

Don;t be too worried about daytimes- thats my way of thinking anyway!!!!

lol- Sally

Cavs- With DD i generally let her sleep wherever in the day -(normally in car seat or bouncy chair on kitchen table/worktop if DS is at home- (i know i know they should not be on a raised surface!!!! i got into a bad habit!!!!-will change soon as DD gets wriggling more and more!!!)Also its near the PC so i can see her whilst on mnet!!

she will also sleep in the pram, but most of the time i just let her please herself- sometimes will put her into the crib or cot upstairs but with being in adn out collecting and dropping off Ds at nursery its a little more difficult-

Don't be too worried about daytimes- thats my way of thinking anyway!!!!

Morning all. I am childless today . Dropped all 3 DC at nursery this morning for THE WHOLE DAY. Seems strange but exciting!

Sarah am impressed that you didn't feel too bad on Sunday morning. I had 2/3 of a bottle of red on Saturday night and felt crap in the morning!

DTs are generally sleeping 7-10pm, being woken for a feed at 10pm, then sleeping til about 4ish am, then back to sleep when I often have to wake them about 7:15 to get them started for the day. Not too bad and they go straight back to sleep 99% of the time in night. Still feel shattered though.

Not decided on contraception. DH was considering snip but is now not keen (don't blame him). Think I will prob end up back on pill despite not originally wanting to, but it's that or condoms as don't fancy implant / coil / etc.

Welcome to Cavs, am v impressed with your DD's night sleep! Mine did sleep better at night when they slept worse in day, but am working on daytime sleep now as otherwise with two babies and a toddler days are hell. They basically feed sometime between 7-7:30am, then stay awake til 8:30/9am. Have a nap say 9-10, I just let them nod off in bouncy chair or under activity arch which is usually fine (or in buggy / sling if on way to nursery). Then they feed about 11am and after that feed as soon as they are looking tired I ship them off to the cot in their sleeping bags and they sleep for 2-3 hours. Some days it works like a dream, some days not. Then they feed about 3pm and tend to doze off during the afternoon. I TRY not to let them be dozing after 5:30 but it is impossible when I am trying to bath DS1 etc as they just nod off. Lord knows what they will get up to at nursery today!

Going to have big tidy of house and sort out next sizes of baby clothes etc today. Got to go into town now and get some shopping done. Planned to go straight from nursery this morning but left purse at home .

Egg enjoy your child free day- i am impressed- was it hard to leave the DT's?

Enjoy shopping xxx

This BF malarkey is much harder than I ever expected but hang in there!
Last time round I got mastitis twice, we then picked up thrush from the anti-biotics which took aaaaages to go and my nipples cracked & bled lots. It was hard work but we took each day at a time and got there in the end. We did supplement with formula when things got very bad as it is much better to stay sane rather than beat yourself up about exclusive bf'ing. If you have a happy baby then you're doing the right thing!
Sorry - I don't know where all that came from!
I did think I had rubber nipples after DD1 but DD2 proved me wrong (it took us ages to learn how to do it all over again)
I had my first free baby massage class on friday which was very nice. DP's sisters friend is training and asked to use us as a case study - I could hardly say no! DD2 likes the head massage and having her legs rubbed, bless her. I really enjoyed it too!

morning all!

Welcome cavs and missnatalie. Cavs- my lo sleeps where ever during the day, it really depends what we're doing tbh. MissNatalie- i'm on baby number 3 and can honestly agree with the others- we all have 'thick' moments and it's not being thick anyway- it's hard work being responsible for someone that can only communicate by crying and you have to guess everything all the time!

Princess- had at least two lots of antibiotics early on, one of which were 'strong ones'! No ill effects at all- The worst thing is if you're ill rather than the effect of the antibiotics i think.

Egg - LOL at ds1 and the poo experience, how did you feel leaving dts? I think you're very brave!

Sally- due to opposite, ds feeding loads and loads and is huge, i have had to resort to giving an extra bottle feed- it does feel a bit wierd but he is happier for it so thats what matters- if your lo is happy and healthy in other ways don't beat yourself up. My friend's sister had a baby the same day as ds who was fullterm (ds 4 weeks early), he weighed about half ds weight and is still very small - all babies are different just like us!

Countto10 - thanks for info on weaning. Giving extra bottle is working and ds seems slightly less hungry now anyway (perhaps spurt is easing off!). HV said that weaning from 16 weeks is ok, some babies need to wean earlier than others.

OMY SCBU is spaecial care baby unit.

Am just about to help dd2 with her hw so am hoping ds will sleep for a bit now! Hope everyone having a good day

Oh and Mutha - had very bad experience of coil - it got dislodged and i had to have it removed - stupid doctor decided to do it without anaesthetic (in hosp, not docs surgery) and refused to believe i was in excruciating pain - bastard! I'm probaby in the minority with bad experience, lots of people use them successfully. Not taking whole contraception thing very seriously atm, use johnnies usually but still finding it uncomfortable so we resort to other pleasures! TMI

Well the builders have been here for a week now and it hasn't been too bad. Lots of noise which has freaked the cat out but DS seems to sleep through it. I am aware its going to get much worse when they knock through though!

Gill - which wraps are you using? I have been using motherease wraps and not had any leaking but I tried a totsbots wrap yesterday which was much slimmer on him but leaked. Would recommend the motherease poppers ones.

Have cheated a bit with the weight loss, I went for a body wrap on Saturday and lost 8 inches Going for another in a couple of weeks. I managed a sugar free day yesterday it was really really hard though, trying another today, done 5 hours already

Glad you had a good night Sarah and hope you enjoy your child free day egg

Ginger keep meaning to ask, how is fibroid? Will you have to have it removed now Toby is born? Does it bother you?

Was not really v hard leaving DTs . I almost whooped as I ran out of nursery CHILD FREE! It was much harder leaving DS1 when he was 18 months. DTs didn't bat an eyelid. DD was nodding off and DS2 was being cuddled and smiling at all the attention. They have turned into real smilers in the last week. It has taken a while but now they smile a LOT and it melts my heart .