Ann Widdecombe Thread 2

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Don't feed the herberts.

If someone has murdered her because of her views, wouldn't they make it obvious? A note, a post, a manifesto etc?

@DontSayItsOver are you serious?

i tell you what - this thread is a good eye opener for usernames you need to swerve going forward!

A rather elderly lady has been murdeeed in her home. Boo boo that you didn’t agree with her stance on various issues. She didn’t kill anyone - she held strong views and stuck to those principles.

and isn’t it funny how it’s always total lunatic lefties spouting all the hate stuff?

and no, I didn’t particularly like Ann and I did not agree with her views. But to delight in a murder of a defenceless woman is shocking and I’m only surprised that MNHQ allow these comments to stand

She said the #MeToo movement was “wokery” and violence against women and girls in the UK was “blown out of proportion”.

I strongly believe she would think all this hullabaloo about her murder ridiculous.

it's ok - I've reported my own post.

I'm so sick of the attitude of some people.

She was an old woman, relying on a carer, living alone in a remote area - looks like she didn't have a car either.

If that was your Auntie, Gran, Mum...?

Imagine being her relative and stumbling over these threads.

Some of the comments are grossly offensive.

They cost about £20k minimum….

She did not deserve this.

I do wonder how they know it’s a ‘white make’ they’ve been quick to state this- was he known to her? Why aren’t they asking the neighbours to be vigilant etc there don’t seem to be any warnings. Why no photo of the perpetrator? All very odd.

RIP Ann.

I'll ask again, if you or someone you love is murdered and the investigating force finds you held views they disagree with, would you be happy for them not to investigate?

I know what her stated views were. But it's totally irrelevant. Was this meant to be a gotcha?

I fully expect she'd want the murderer caught and put away if it had been a relative of hers who'd been killed.

In reality, sadly many of us wouldn't have an idea immediately next to us we could try and use to protect ourselves. Also, Ann was a small elderly lady, who apparently struggled to move around, so poor lady probably didn't stand a chance. Whoever, also probably had easy access of many of us have a window or door open somewhere in this heat, no warning of someone forcing a door open.

There must be something the police know, to give such a specific deadline of 12.30, ie they're not saying 12.30-12.45.

It's also legal to carry a gun in New York

Do engage your brain before making suggestions about things like pepper spray.

of course Police should only investigate the murders of people whose political views exactly align with yours. 🙄. Are you for real? I suspect not.

It seems she lay dead for a day before her agent found her.

She’d recently had a fall, and perhaps wasn’t strong enough to defend herself.

Poor woman.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjw8j46z7yqt

The fact that you're using statistics about violence to collectively demonize men and trans women is an example of pushing people into getting angry. Domestic violence doesn't happen just to women, and women typically aren't killed for their sex in this country. Women also assault men, and same sex couples assault each other as well, and there's no pathologizing about that. They're simply viewed as abusive partners, but when someone who happens to be a man who hits someone who happens to be a woman. then it's 'violence against woman'. You can see the contradiction in play when the subject of violence against trans people comes up. When a trans person is assaulted or killed, people like yourself come along and say "But who says they were killed for being trans? Maybe it was for another reason." So where does that sentiment go when men hit or kill women? Who says it's because they're women? The fact that it mostly happens in relationships is a testament that men aren't generally just going around assaulting women just for being women. It's not the same as gay bashing.

"Women in the UK have not been killing or threatening to kill trans identified people"

Anti trans people, both men and women, have celebrated the suicides and murders of trans people, whether they personally make threats or not, which was my point. They aren't against violence toward trans people. It's a prejudiced movement. When you trivialize people's trauma and mental health issues regarding their sex as a violent, perverse, woman hating sex fantasy, the way most anti trans people do, then why would you expect anything but a negative response? And violent and extremist rhetoric exists for all causes. Even animal rights activism is full of threats and abuse and at times even terrorist activity. A cause shouldn't be defined by bad behaviour. Anti abortion activism has at least 11 murders associated with it, that doesn't have any bearing on the anti abortion argument or stance. The same applies to everything else, including trans people.

If you're reaction to people who disagree with you is to instantly brand them hateful bigots, then you're the bully in that scenario.

Yes, it’s appalling. She was a basically retired fairly frail woman.

If they think it’s all ok, then shame on them. 🙄

I guess you forgot about Jo Cox. Right wing media is full of vitriol. They're also usually the people most demonizing toward disabled people.

If men don't like the way the statistics make them look when it comes to violence against women, they can always stop raping, murdering, and abusing women.

Well said.

No one is found by an ambulance crew as someone needs to have found the person first to call the ambulance.

If the gardener found her, as reported by the DM, it did occur to me that he might have been the 26 year old arrested. It could be that he had been at the house gardening on Weds afternoon while having no idea that she was dead inside and he just thought she was out. His phone put him in the village on Weds afternoon so he was a suspect. Then the 12.30 time of death came back from post mortem and messaging with the tv team and he could show he was elsewhere at that time so he is no longer a suspect.

I think it was a thread on here that prompted me to read it actually, after the documentary.

Maybe she wore a fitness watch? Or made another message or call on her phone at 12.29? Or perhaps someone was seen running away at 12.32? They say they are looking for a white male so someone saw something or it’s on cctv.

Really shocking. Somehow you don't expect household names to be murdered.

I found her politics repulsive, but I would never have wished any harm on her, let alone this terrible end. R.I.P. Ann.

Jill Dando wasn't murdered in her own home.

She was murdered outside on her doorstep when she had just arrived at the house. A doorstep which was nearly on the street and was very overlooked. There's no possibility whatsoever that it was a burglary gone wrong.

The only things that seem to be in common here are that the victim was a woman; and that she'd been on TV a lot. Which over a timespan of more than a quarter of a century hardly seems a run.

I think posters trying to shoehorn Dando into this are shit-stirring for drama, to be honest.

"She was a basically retired fairly frail woman"

I would never describe her as frail. She looked quite robust to me despite being small of stature.