Ann Widdecombe Thread 2

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Who did actually find her? I haven't seen it mentioned and an ambulance wouldn't turn up unless someone called it. So someone must have gone to check on her or arrived routinely (like a cleaner, delivery person, etc) and found her. I don't think they've said where she was found either, in the house and which room or in the garden. Keeping the details close?

Penny Mordaunt said on the radio that, for the last four years, there hasn’t been a day when there wasn’t an active police investigation into threats against her. She’s not even a very divisive figure.

There's no need to use my posts to prove your point, as I've been repeatedly saying no-one should be spraying anything into an assailants eyes.

Especially not someone who's given themselves a false confidence by thinking they're going to be able to use a very weak propellant, and not have that person grab it and use it against them.

I wouldn't describe Dartmoor as being full of anything except sheep. I remember it being described as MAMBA land - miles and miles of bugger all.

After spending quite a lot of time there in my youth, I have never heard of anyone living off road kill there! And in any event it would be a fairly brutal, wet and cold place to live for 9 months of the year.

I was 43 when Jill Dando was killed. I've read quite considerably about the case in the years since, and I am convinced it was Barry George.

Why would a burglar need to overpower a frail elderly lady? There is much more to this.

What I've read is a friend was unable to contact her, (on the Thursday) so asked her neighbour to go around & check on her. The neighbour then contacted the services.

On the Wednesday Channel 5 would have been well out of place phoning emergency services just because they were immediately unable to contact their guest (AW) having had contact with her earlier.

Ignore. it’s one of those pathetic bandwagon riders

That slippery slope was reached a long time ago. There are men who have already killed women, who they do not know, just because they are women. Peter Sutcliffe, Levi Bellfield etc etc

The DM is saying her gardener found her.

Don't be stupid. There is no evidence at all of what you claim. The threats issued by transactivsts towards women, meanwhile, including open exhortations to kill, rape, maim, both privately and including very openly on every "trans rights" march there is, are neither "provoked", rational or any other excuse.It is pure misogyny. No, "the terfs" or whatever you call us didn't "ask for it" and weren't "driven to it". Or do ANY of the spurious things you claim, stop lying. That's the excuse that is used for violent misogynist men everywhere, such as family annihilators, as we've sadly seen again this week.

Rather, such threats echo the violent rhetoric of all other woman-hating men such as domestic violence perps (the kind who kill a UK woman every three days) and incels to any woman who dares to say no to them. Women in the UK have not been killing or threatening to kill trans identified people, and especially not through standing up for their own long held legal rights under equality legislation and not agreeing to hand them over because some man says his inner feels demand it. So you can fuck off with that nonsense. Trans "women" (aka trans id'd men) are more likely to be perps than victims in the UK, and yes, the stats back that up. Women are in far more danger, and from misogynist men (including TW) in general.

To get back to Ann, likewise, regardless of her political views or what I, you or anyone else think of them, a man murdering a tiny 78-year old woman who was alone in her own home is disgusting, cowardly and completely inexcusable. I would not support enacting political violence against anyone either - and that includes people whose views I despise, such as Trump, Charlie Kirk and Farage. You cannot have a situation where people can expect to be murdered for having different political views to someone else. Or where anyone in a civil society excuses that or, worse, even imagines its justified or righteous in some way.

I only hope they do catch the correct person; worrying that they seemed so sure they had their man who has now been released. How sure does that make them of the other things they said in the conference?

Why did the police announce so early it’s not politically motivated then release their suspect (obviously their mistaken arrest) surely they cannot know the motivation considering they arrested the wrong person. Smacks of utter incompetence.

That poor lady. I hope she didn't suffer long and that her family is being supported and able to stay away from some of the vile things being posted online. There should be some strong legal repercussions for some of the offenders.

Regardless of what you think of her views, she was entitled to hold them, and as far as I've read, was always polite and respectful to individuals and never used her politics to abuse, insult or threaten anyone, which is a lot more than can be said for some of those who disagreed with her.

I think the police wording was that they 'had no information' to believe Widdecombe's death was a politically motivated crime.

Yes, the story's been all over the shop. First it was the carer who found her, then the ambulance crew, now the gardener, and we find out it's likely it all happened in a small window of time 24 hours earlier than thought. I'm surprised that what Channel 5 said didn't feature earlier, given that they'd already tried to raise the alarm.

Yes, it was. So I guess they haven't 100% ruled it out, just didn't find any evidence so far that was the case.

Yes but that just shows the true colours of these men. Always spewing hate and violence towards women, whilst appropriating their identities and wailing that they are the victim.

He's a morally bankrupt twat badger.

Doesn’t feel ‘Jill Dando’ at all.

if you really look into that case it’s glaringly obvious that they had the correct man in the first place. He was very fortunate to be released but there was no miscarriage of justice there. He did it.

Anyone over 18 should be able to

What rot.

Many women on Mumsnet don't agree with self ID, men being allowed into womens single sex spaces, but in all the thousands of comments on here, ive never seen anyone say they wished violence on trans people or hoped they commit suicide.

Its an absolutely gross misrepresentation of the way women have fought the fight to keep of men out of their spaces. Men who have on occasion turned out to be deeply predatory or misogynistic.

You should apologise to all of the women who have fought for womens rights with dignity and determination instead of peddling lies.

If, god forbid, you or someone you love is murdered and the police or general public find that you held beliefs they found distasteful, I assume you'd be happy for them not to investigate?

Such as what ?

So much speculation, so little solid inciting the public domain. I hope the Police make progress and an arrest soon.

It has shocked me, as has much of the coverage around it.