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Anyone else really concerned about asylum seekers killing people, seemingly to get a life term prison sentence?

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potato08 · 29/10/2025 14:46

Just to clarify I'm a lifelong labour voter before I get told I'm a deform bot!
Locally to me an assylum seeker from Ethiopia has just been jailed for 25 years for the murder of a man in a bank in broad daylight (he was angry that his application had been turned down).
Earlier this week an afghan national killed 1 person and injured 3 more...
I follow politics, and geo politics (am a history grad) and so I'm aware that the current immigration levels are nothing to what will come when the Sahel region collapses, but is this going to keep happening?
Why can't they be deported? Why should uk tax payers pay?
I have teen dds, and it makes me scared for them.
I know there's no quick fix after years of tory corruption and inaction, but what could be done within a legal framework?
Would rejoining the EU help stop the boats?

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LoveSundays · 29/10/2025 20:54

Andregroup · 29/10/2025 20:46

My argument is that it is unfair to lay the blame for the massive benefits bill at the feet of the asylum seekers - I agree the cost is not sustainable, but disagree that it's unaffordability is caused by asylum seekers.

I'm not laying the blame for the massive benefit bill at the feet of asylum seekers.
I think the current benefit bill is unsustainable before we even factor in asylum seekers. The amount of British born & breed people claiming benefits is unsustainable.

CuriousKangaroo · 29/10/2025 21:03

No. And frankly, this is next level batshittery.

LoveSundays · 29/10/2025 21:06

Born and bred 😅

IstillloveKingThistle · 29/10/2025 21:11

Yamamm · 29/10/2025 14:50

No. There is a lot of mental illness amongst migrants but I don’t think they plan to commit murders specifically to get a prison place. It’s desperate people far from home who are not coping and who can’t face going home with nothing when they fail at their new lives.

Most just move on to another European country and try again.

Oh please . The majority shouldn’t be here in the first place. They are illegally. End of .

What other country , apart from our pathetic soft touch , accepts illegals and hands them homes, benefits, food etc free of charge .

The majority of the indigenous have had enough but are called racists for being concerned . It’s fucking ludicrous.

IstillloveKingThistle · 29/10/2025 21:11
  • Here illegally
CorneliaCupp · 29/10/2025 21:16

IstillloveKingThistle · 29/10/2025 21:11

Oh please . The majority shouldn’t be here in the first place. They are illegally. End of .

What other country , apart from our pathetic soft touch , accepts illegals and hands them homes, benefits, food etc free of charge .

The majority of the indigenous have had enough but are called racists for being concerned . It’s fucking ludicrous.

They're not here illegally. They may have entered the country by an illegal route, but once they are here and have aimed asylum they are no longer illegal

potato08 · 29/10/2025 21:17

I'm mixed race.
I'm fucking tired of being called racist and "spiralling" for pointing out that I'm concerned about undocumented men from countries who think women are lesser human beings coming here and the authorities seemingly having no way of knowing where they are or what they are doing.
But I'm a left wing middle aged woman so what do I know?
There are afghanis that should be here - the last govt threw the afghan interpreters to the mercy of the Taliban.
When we were in the EU we had reciprocal arrangements to return/prevent small boat crossings.
My dc are female, so, yes, I'm scared - of the white andrew tate incel morons and illegal immigrants who think British women and girls are fair game.
Look at what the authorities being scared to point out SA, violence and grooming by certain ethnic groups did in Yorkshire!
But it was poor, wc girls so who cares, right?
Probably just me "spiralling" again 😡

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LoveSundays · 29/10/2025 21:23

potato08 · 29/10/2025 21:17

I'm mixed race.
I'm fucking tired of being called racist and "spiralling" for pointing out that I'm concerned about undocumented men from countries who think women are lesser human beings coming here and the authorities seemingly having no way of knowing where they are or what they are doing.
But I'm a left wing middle aged woman so what do I know?
There are afghanis that should be here - the last govt threw the afghan interpreters to the mercy of the Taliban.
When we were in the EU we had reciprocal arrangements to return/prevent small boat crossings.
My dc are female, so, yes, I'm scared - of the white andrew tate incel morons and illegal immigrants who think British women and girls are fair game.
Look at what the authorities being scared to point out SA, violence and grooming by certain ethnic groups did in Yorkshire!
But it was poor, wc girls so who cares, right?
Probably just me "spiralling" again 😡

Agree with you. Although not sure about the white Andrew Tate incel moron line.....🤔😅😅😅

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 29/10/2025 21:25

potato08 · 29/10/2025 17:41

Hardly "spiralling"!
Why is it that women expressing real concern are dismissed in such a way?

It’s the lefty way….nothing to see here….look over there.

Winter2020 · 29/10/2025 21:27

applegingermint · 29/10/2025 19:08

They gave him £500 in return for him not attempting to claim asylum. If he put in a new asylum claim they wouldn’t have been able to deport him until his claim was heard.

You could not make it up.
Complete embarrassment.

EasternStandard · 29/10/2025 21:27

potato08 · 29/10/2025 21:17

I'm mixed race.
I'm fucking tired of being called racist and "spiralling" for pointing out that I'm concerned about undocumented men from countries who think women are lesser human beings coming here and the authorities seemingly having no way of knowing where they are or what they are doing.
But I'm a left wing middle aged woman so what do I know?
There are afghanis that should be here - the last govt threw the afghan interpreters to the mercy of the Taliban.
When we were in the EU we had reciprocal arrangements to return/prevent small boat crossings.
My dc are female, so, yes, I'm scared - of the white andrew tate incel morons and illegal immigrants who think British women and girls are fair game.
Look at what the authorities being scared to point out SA, violence and grooming by certain ethnic groups did in Yorkshire!
But it was poor, wc girls so who cares, right?
Probably just me "spiralling" again 😡

Being in the EU doesn’t change much. Look at ROI and Germany.

saraclara · 29/10/2025 21:37

Damnd · 29/10/2025 18:58

@Zenwalnut Having spent time with a foreign national community, it is very common for people serving sentences to accept being deported for a shorter sentence and then they quite simply come back illegally to the UK. The ones that carry out their sentence in the UK fully do so they can gain legal status in UK otherwise they can choose the quick way out and back in again

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If they're deported (the term used when someone is returned to their home country because they've committed a crime) they can't return.

If they're removed (the term used when they're returned to their home country because they've been refused asylum) there's nothing stopping them trying again.

It would be ridiculous to commit a crime deliberately, because the result of that would be eventual deportation and no second chance.

saraclara · 29/10/2025 21:42

LoveSundays · 29/10/2025 20:17

Also, the cost is absolutely ridiculous.
One family where I am (big town in SW) - family of 7 from Afghanistan. Live in a 4 bedroom house (have full rent, council tax and bills all paid) and get £200 a week.

I understand they're waiting for their asylum claim to come through. I assume when it does they will also then be entitled to Universal credit and child benefit?
This is just one family. How many families like this are all over the country?
Surely this is just not sustainable for such a small country.....

When they're granted asylum, they'll be able to work. So won't need benefits.

LoveSundays · 29/10/2025 21:45

saraclara · 29/10/2025 21:42

When they're granted asylum, they'll be able to work. So won't need benefits.

Well currently neither of the adults really speak any English. And the woman will probably need to be at home caring for all the children. I find it hard to imagine he will find a job that pays well enough to support 7 of them without needing any benefits.

LoveSundays · 29/10/2025 21:48

saraclara · 29/10/2025 21:42

When they're granted asylum, they'll be able to work. So won't need benefits.

I mean there's no 🤣🤣🤣🤣 emoji so it had to be done!!! One of the funniest things I've read on MN in a long time.

IstillloveKingThistle · 29/10/2025 21:51

LoveSundays · 29/10/2025 21:45

Well currently neither of the adults really speak any English. And the woman will probably need to be at home caring for all the children. I find it hard to imagine he will find a job that pays well enough to support 7 of them without needing any benefits.

The whole thing is beyond a mess. It’s unsustainable.

IstillloveKingThistle · 29/10/2025 21:51

saraclara · 29/10/2025 21:42

When they're granted asylum, they'll be able to work. So won't need benefits.

Oh please

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 29/10/2025 21:52

Supersimkin7 · 29/10/2025 14:53

Foreign crims get deported so no uk jail for them.

Welfare migrants are a problem throughout Europe but it hits worse in the Uk cos its small and low housing stock.

Genuine refugees aren’t, and never have been, a problem. It’s keeping rescue services open for refugees, not welfare migrants, that’s difficult.

But no one seems to be trying very hard to fix it.

Well that's not strictly true. UK jails are full of foreign criminals. Currently around 12.5% of all prisoners in UK jails are not British citizens.

Dagda · 29/10/2025 22:02

IstillloveKingThistle · 29/10/2025 21:11

Oh please . The majority shouldn’t be here in the first place. They are illegally. End of .

What other country , apart from our pathetic soft touch , accepts illegals and hands them homes, benefits, food etc free of charge .

The majority of the indigenous have had enough but are called racists for being concerned . It’s fucking ludicrous.

Once you claim asylum you aren’t illegal. And the vast majority of countries in the world have a mechanism to claim asylum.

The Uk isn’t special in this regard. The benefits asylum seekers get are similar to others in Europe.

There is more conflict and unrest in the world than there has been for decades and huge numbers of people are on the move around the world. 75% will stay in neighbouring countries so we are seeing only a very small part of this.

lavendarwillow · 29/10/2025 22:12

I despair at the shit show of a country we live in.

Dagda · 29/10/2025 22:12

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 29/10/2025 21:52

Well that's not strictly true. UK jails are full of foreign criminals. Currently around 12.5% of all prisoners in UK jails are not British citizens.

The % in prison broadly reflects the % in the general population.

IndieRocknRoll · 29/10/2025 22:20

verycloakanddaggers · 29/10/2025 17:06

@potato08 I think you're spiralling and should step away from whatever you're reading and look at something else, something that will give some perspective. Connect with real life.

For those of us that live in the town that OP is referring to it is our real life.
if you were in the bank or the nearby shops that afternoon or knew the man in question then it’s a bloody horrible feeling.
So p*ss off and patronise someone else.

Bluecrystal2 · 29/10/2025 22:37

ginasevern · 29/10/2025 18:41

Because we must think of the men! Don't you know by now that men's rights always trump women's. Incidentally, I believe the Ethiopian in question had fled his home country because he got a local girl pregnant and had been threatened by her family. I strongly suspect a high percentage of illegal immigrants are fleeing their countries because they are wanted ciminals or in trouble for social reasons. Another percentage are economic migrants. This is a disaster for women here and not in the least bit helpful to genuine refugees.

Denmark has almost stopped migrant arrivals by drastically reducing social benefits. Authorities seize valuables worth more than 10,000 kroner (approximately $1,500) from arriving migrants to help cover their costs.

It's also the insidious crimes. Mothers not wanting to take their children to the swimming baths, getting rubbed up against on public transport and numerous other things that make women and girls uncomfortable.

EmeraldRoulette · 29/10/2025 22:53

saraclara · 29/10/2025 21:42

When they're granted asylum, they'll be able to work. So won't need benefits.

but workers get UC as well

here's a few figures from DWP and ONS

https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/p/at-least-19-million-foreign-nationals

@potato08 i'm not white, many people mistake me for being mixed race but I'm actually not mixed. Just have the Meghan Markle type colouring. I don't tend to talk about it in real life because I'll just get called a racist. Some people seem very keen to label me but that is usually the left wingers.

maybe lots of people are quietly getting angry who weren't angry before. I used to live near one of these hotels in London. It wasn't really something I could express concerns about. That one opened in 2018. It's closed now, but also I've moved. There is one now nearish but not walking distance, luckily for me.

At least 1.9 MILLION foreign nationals claiming benefits in Britain

New data from the ONS and DWP shows scale of the crisis facing Britain

https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/p/at-least-19-million-foreign-nationals

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