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Anyone else really concerned about asylum seekers killing people, seemingly to get a life term prison sentence?

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potato08 · 29/10/2025 14:46

Just to clarify I'm a lifelong labour voter before I get told I'm a deform bot!
Locally to me an assylum seeker from Ethiopia has just been jailed for 25 years for the murder of a man in a bank in broad daylight (he was angry that his application had been turned down).
Earlier this week an afghan national killed 1 person and injured 3 more...
I follow politics, and geo politics (am a history grad) and so I'm aware that the current immigration levels are nothing to what will come when the Sahel region collapses, but is this going to keep happening?
Why can't they be deported? Why should uk tax payers pay?
I have teen dds, and it makes me scared for them.
I know there's no quick fix after years of tory corruption and inaction, but what could be done within a legal framework?
Would rejoining the EU help stop the boats?

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Eviebeans · 30/10/2025 03:43

Even if we deport foreign criminals there isn’t a watertight guarantee that they will be detained once they get back to their own country, if they have not committed a crime there.

imapeucetoothbrush · 30/10/2025 04:19

"The women who backed Phillips said they worry that focusing only on street grooming will exclude those whose group-based exploitation had begun online, through peers or family members."

These females were not groomed by Pakistani rape gangs

It doesn't make their experiences any less horrific, but puts them in a different category.

Yes, their exploitation should be investigated, but in a separate enquiry.

Farage was correct that to do otherwise would make the enquiry too broad and too cumbersome.

RingoJuice · 30/10/2025 05:10

verycloakanddaggers · 29/10/2025 17:32

There's loads on the UN website about the region.

It’s actually getting greener though

PeachOctopus · 30/10/2025 05:41

I don’t think they do it to go to jail, the they have housing and food and freedoms. I think the small amount of violent migrants it is poor impulse control and possibly a criminal background or coming from a background of normalised violence.

The knife attack yesterday by a migrant who lived here for 5 years -given leave to remain in Uxbridge the migrant attacked Mr Singh who he was staying with for no apparent reason then a boy and then he killed the male dog walker all for no apparent reason.

Uxbridge Hillingdon area of London has the highest number of migrant HMO’s and this woman rang a talk show to tell how it has affected crime in her area.

Talk radio

"WE'RE NOT RACIST WE'RE PETRIFIED"

"WHAT ARE THESE POLITICIANS DOING TO US. THEY'RE PUTTING EVERYONE IN DANGER"

"I DON'T LEAVE THE HOUSE WITHOUT A MAN"

  • My local shop has had 3 stabbings. 1 Murder.
  • My friend was murdered last year
  • A girl I know was murdered in the park
  • I'm begging my son to leave the country
  • My cousin was murdered

"OUR FRIENDS. OUR FAMILY ARE DYING"

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Morningsleepin · 30/10/2025 05:43

Whattheactu · 29/10/2025 18:51

Will you get it in your head that in countries where wages are a bowl of rice, if that, people paying thousands to criminal traffickers unlikely to have come into that money with means of honest labour.
Nor is a man who seeks a more carefree life while leaving his daughter, wife, sister, mum, other women in the family to live powerless, to be mistreated, killed or raped is an asset to any society and the people in Europe do not benefit from having society populated by such individuals.

They sell things or get into debt to pay for the journey and when they get work send money home so that the weaker members of their family can live.

Damnd · 30/10/2025 06:46

saraclara · 29/10/2025 21:37

If they're deported (the term used when someone is returned to their home country because they've committed a crime) they can't return.

If they're removed (the term used when they're returned to their home country because they've been refused asylum) there's nothing stopping them trying again.

It would be ridiculous to commit a crime deliberately, because the result of that would be eventual deportation and no second chance.

Edited

They can return and do return illegally. The option of getting out of jail and then returning back outweighs the benefits of having legal status. Illegal immigrants and criminals are a completely different, unchecked, community that thrive here

Dollymylove · 30/10/2025 07:01

LoveSundays · 29/10/2025 20:17

Also, the cost is absolutely ridiculous.
One family where I am (big town in SW) - family of 7 from Afghanistan. Live in a 4 bedroom house (have full rent, council tax and bills all paid) and get £200 a week.

I understand they're waiting for their asylum claim to come through. I assume when it does they will also then be entitled to Universal credit and child benefit?
This is just one family. How many families like this are all over the country?
Surely this is just not sustainable for such a small country.....

Well the British forced used around 1200 interpreters yet they have allowed at least 20,000 Afghans to settle her😡

EasternStandard · 30/10/2025 07:37

IndieRocknRoll · 29/10/2025 22:20

For those of us that live in the town that OP is referring to it is our real life.
if you were in the bank or the nearby shops that afternoon or knew the man in question then it’s a bloody horrible feeling.
So p*ss off and patronise someone else.

Yes and add the earlier scoffing post by another pp to that.

StrongLikeMamma · 30/10/2025 08:31

Did you swallow a daily mail op?

Insanityisnotastrategy · 30/10/2025 09:13

StrongLikeMamma · 30/10/2025 08:31

Did you swallow a daily mail op?

What an original comment. If you'd bothered to read properly you would see this happened locally to OP.

caringcarer · 30/10/2025 09:20

SwordOfOmens · 29/10/2025 15:10

They committed a crime in this country so they serve their jail time in this country. Then they're deported.

This but most people who are convicted of a crime only serve a fraction of their sentence then they are released to commit more crimes. This is true of both British born people and asylum seekers. It used to be they served at least half of sentence but lack of jail space means some only serve a third of original sentence.

EasternStandard · 30/10/2025 09:22

StrongLikeMamma · 30/10/2025 08:31

Did you swallow a daily mail op?

Really? When someone suffers a horrendous crime.

RammyEwie · 30/10/2025 09:45

OP has probably been reading the Derby Telegraph or BBC Derby, rather than the Daily Mail.

It was a shocking, senseless crime. The offender chose his victim randomly from sitting across the road, walked into the bank, stuck his knife into his victim, and walked out. He was in the bank for 22 seconds. That 22 seconds stole a life; a family man, a business owner, a well regarded member of the local community.

Broad daylight, middle of a busy day.
(Followed up a few weeks later by a gang of masked youths smashing their way through the jeweller's window directly opposite- naturally no one tried to stop them because of the very high risk of violence)

Derby like many other Midland/ Northern cities and towns has its social and economic problems. Its capacity to deal with people of violent, (traumatised?) disposition who have engaged with criminal networks to travel across Europe is very limited. Significant proportions of the local population are already struggling and have been for many years.

Derby's problems are complex and not down to any specific demographic, but a constant trickle of incoming people with complex problems and extremely limited support does no one any favours. Derby is hardly unique either.

I really don't know what the answer is because we live in an interconnected world where people can keep trying and moving around, but we are stuck in a politically messy situation where it's difficult to establish peoples' origins, motivations and needs, and there are a number of dangerous people who exploit that to the detriment of the rest of society.

NewYorkSummer · 30/10/2025 10:15

Everything @RammyEwie has said.
Just going to add, people in Derby are not thick racist Daily Mail readers. It’s a hugely multicultural city and has been since I was born there way back in the 70s. Everyone rubs along just fine. The issue is, and always will be, the difference between families from other countries choosing to move here for better job prospects and education, and the hordes of (mainly young) men with no prospects, no care for women, children and our culture, and a lot of drug/alcohol/mental health issues.

Coffeetime25 · 30/10/2025 11:27

LoveSundays · 29/10/2025 20:17

Also, the cost is absolutely ridiculous.
One family where I am (big town in SW) - family of 7 from Afghanistan. Live in a 4 bedroom house (have full rent, council tax and bills all paid) and get £200 a week.

I understand they're waiting for their asylum claim to come through. I assume when it does they will also then be entitled to Universal credit and child benefit?
This is just one family. How many families like this are all over the country?
Surely this is just not sustainable for such a small country.....

wow they taking it in 200 per week for a family of seven to pay bills food clothes and other necessities wow where do I sign up

PandoraSocks · 30/10/2025 11:31

I have been reading the details of this horrible case. Gurvinder Johal's family has actually said they want the murderer to serve his sentence in the UK rather than being deported.

Edited to add link:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyld1p0lw1o

LoveSundays · 30/10/2025 11:56

Coffeetime25 · 30/10/2025 11:27

wow they taking it in 200 per week for a family of seven to pay bills food clothes and other necessities wow where do I sign up

Did you actually read my post? That includes rent, bills and council tax.
The rent is around 2.5k plus bills and council tax. So the £800 a month is after all the big things have gone out.
So I guess that's around 5k a month to the tax payer for one family. Do you think that's sustainable in the current climate?

PandoraSocks · 30/10/2025 12:02

LoveSundays · 30/10/2025 11:56

Did you actually read my post? That includes rent, bills and council tax.
The rent is around 2.5k plus bills and council tax. So the £800 a month is after all the big things have gone out.
So I guess that's around 5k a month to the tax payer for one family. Do you think that's sustainable in the current climate?

The £2.5k rent presumably goes into the pocket of a landlord, not the tenant?Do you think charging that level of rent is sustainable in the current climate?

Swiftasthewind · 30/10/2025 12:12

PeachOctopus · 30/10/2025 05:41

I don’t think they do it to go to jail, the they have housing and food and freedoms. I think the small amount of violent migrants it is poor impulse control and possibly a criminal background or coming from a background of normalised violence.

The knife attack yesterday by a migrant who lived here for 5 years -given leave to remain in Uxbridge the migrant attacked Mr Singh who he was staying with for no apparent reason then a boy and then he killed the male dog walker all for no apparent reason.

Uxbridge Hillingdon area of London has the highest number of migrant HMO’s and this woman rang a talk show to tell how it has affected crime in her area.

Talk radio

"WE'RE NOT RACIST WE'RE PETRIFIED"

"WHAT ARE THESE POLITICIANS DOING TO US. THEY'RE PUTTING EVERYONE IN DANGER"

"I DON'T LEAVE THE HOUSE WITHOUT A MAN"

  • My local shop has had 3 stabbings. 1 Murder.
  • My friend was murdered last year
  • A girl I know was murdered in the park
  • I'm begging my son to leave the country
  • My cousin was murdered

"OUR FRIENDS. OUR FAMILY ARE DYING"

That clip doesn’t sound real. Who is that woman? Do we even know if she’s genuine?

Insanityisnotastrategy · 30/10/2025 12:22

Swiftasthewind · 30/10/2025 12:12

That clip doesn’t sound real. Who is that woman? Do we even know if she’s genuine?

What do you mean it doesn't sound real?

LoveSundays · 30/10/2025 12:24

PandoraSocks · 30/10/2025 12:02

The £2.5k rent presumably goes into the pocket of a landlord, not the tenant?Do you think charging that level of rent is sustainable in the current climate?

Of course it doesn't go into the tenants pocket. Regardless of where that money goes, it's still a massive cost to the taxpayer.
Maybe if we didn't already have so many born & bred Brits who are a drain, the situation wouldn't be so bad.

LoveSundays · 30/10/2025 12:26

PandoraSocks · 30/10/2025 12:02

The £2.5k rent presumably goes into the pocket of a landlord, not the tenant?Do you think charging that level of rent is sustainable in the current climate?

Also, there's lots of threads on here about the cost of rent, if that's your thing.

Swiftasthewind · 30/10/2025 12:43

Insanityisnotastrategy · 30/10/2025 12:22

What do you mean it doesn't sound real?

I don’t know, if you listen to the woman’s voice, before she begins to cry, it sounds almost distorted and different to the rest of her voice. Also in what she’s saying, talking about everyone she knows being stabbed and having to go out with a man, these are all far right myths about society that they put out to make people scared. I’m surprised she didn’t mention grooming gangs to be honest. It could be genuine I suppose, but I’m not so sure personally.

Julen7 · 30/10/2025 13:21

Swiftasthewind · 30/10/2025 12:43

I don’t know, if you listen to the woman’s voice, before she begins to cry, it sounds almost distorted and different to the rest of her voice. Also in what she’s saying, talking about everyone she knows being stabbed and having to go out with a man, these are all far right myths about society that they put out to make people scared. I’m surprised she didn’t mention grooming gangs to be honest. It could be genuine I suppose, but I’m not so sure personally.

“Far right myths?” After everything that has been in the news this week?

Coffeetime25 · 30/10/2025 13:56

LoveSundays · 30/10/2025 11:56

Did you actually read my post? That includes rent, bills and council tax.
The rent is around 2.5k plus bills and council tax. So the £800 a month is after all the big things have gone out.
So I guess that's around 5k a month to the tax payer for one family. Do you think that's sustainable in the current climate?

rent goes to landlord so take that up with them I guessing this family don't need to pay any electricity bills or buy any food or anything like that either by your reckoning and the kids don't need education shoes or clothes so the 200 is do do as the parents please lol

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