Anyone else really concerned about asylum seekers killing people, seemingly to get a life term prison sentence?

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Just to clarify I'm a lifelong labour voter before I get told I'm a deform bot!
Locally to me an assylum seeker from Ethiopia has just been jailed for 25 years for the murder of a man in a bank in broad daylight (he was angry that his application had been turned down).
Earlier this week an afghan national killed 1 person and injured 3 more...
I follow politics, and geo politics (am a history grad) and so I'm aware that the current immigration levels are nothing to what will come when the Sahel region collapses, but is this going to keep happening?
Why can't they be deported? Why should uk tax payers pay?
I have teen dds, and it makes me scared for them.
I know there's no quick fix after years of tory corruption and inaction, but what could be done within a legal framework?
Would rejoining the EU help stop the boats?

The common problem is male violence. Here and throughout the world.

So don’t let unvetted young men from misogynistic cultures into your country. You’ll make it worse

Your teen DDs are at risk from all sorts of people and social problems, as are we all. I'm not sure the potentially murderous migrant is the most significant of them.

But it’s a nonzero amount and it’s completely preventable, only tolerated through political cowardice.

That women aren’t leading this movement is a shame, since we are most affected.

Why then would you want to men to enter without vetting?

Why then, are you putting words in my mouth?

Some perspective, not all immigrants illegal or legal are violent or criminal. You watch the news you would think it's not safe to leave the house. The biggest threat to children is actually the roads yet speeding motorists almost think it's normal to fly down suburban roads and then cry when they are fined .

It's important to get some perspective but also to acknowledge that we need a robust process of how we vet people coming in and how you deal with these people if they break our laws.

My opinion is pretty harsh in that those that come that we can't vet should not be allowed to even claim asylum. Those that fail even a minor check be rejected. Break the law....back you go. I wouldn't even consider men in the Asylum process....go back home and improve your country. Children is a slightly different issue....they need protection as do mothers but again there are limitations

You might think that's harsh but we have prison overcrowding, we have problems with our healthcare system and apparently a 40 billion hole in public finances

Desperation and mental illness are an unpredictable mix.

Actually the biggest health risk to children is obesity.
The largest cause of death is cancer (although still thankfully rare).
The largest cause of accidental death is choking or suffocation, followed by drowning and then falls.
Largest cause of accidental injury is falls.

So in short car accidents are not the main or even a significant cause of death and injury to children.

I don't know much about your statistics but get hit by a car then the injuries are nearly always serious. Something like 4000 children every year are killed or injured on our roads so my comparison is merely that a comparison of children being hurt by immigrants to those killed or injured by motorists.

I have strong views with respect to immigration but I won't be drawn into the debate where immigrants are demonised and labelled criminals because the data doesn't support those lies.

As I said in my post if you believed the media you wouldn't leave your house because of the threat.

Wrong. The largest cause of traumatic death (as opposed to disease) among children is vehicle collisions, followed by violence and maltreatment, followed by drowning. Choking, suffocation, and falls are relatively minor. Source: NCMD

Life rarely means whole life.

Only exceptional cases are subject to that.

The government won't keep or provide the data on ethnicity/asylum seekers and crime/violent crime/sexual crime. I wonder why if it would allow us to see how peaceful and law abiding these people are?

Lobby the government to keep and share the data then you can back up your claims.

There are 8 billion people in the world. 8000,000,000.

How many of these do you think live in terrible conditions in unsafe countries and would be granted asylum if they applied under current criteria?
10%? So that's 800 million. Compare that to the UK population of 70 million.

Let's be super optimistic and assume only 1% of the people in the world are living in conditions that would meet our criteria to be granted asylum in the UK. That's 80 million - so one for every man, woman and child in the UK.

It is not possible for us to save the world no matter how much you might want to.

Here's some information from Sweden - when they did keep data in the past. They started to shut down publishing on these topics too I believe.

I wouldn't be so sure that data wouldn't support immigrants having higher rates of criminality - I suspect that's why the government won't keep this data.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden#Crime

Quote:
In 2018, Swedish television's investigative journalism show Uppdrag Granskning (UG) analysed the total of 843 district court cases from the five preceding years resulting in convictions and found that 58% of all convicted of rape had a foreign background and 40% were born in the Middle East and Africa, with Afghanistan being the next most common country of birth after Sweden. When only analysing rape assault (Swedish: överfallsvåldtäkt) cases, that is cases where perpetrator and victim were not previously acquainted, 97 out of 129 were born outside Europe.[133]

Quote:
In a 2016 report on sexual harassment, police found ten cases where groups of men (aged 25–30) or boys (aged 14–16) had surrounded a lone girl and sexually assaulted her while filming, along with groups of girls being subjected to the same experience. Only a few perpetrators were identified, and all investigations in Stockholm and Kalmar involved suspects from Afghanistan, Eritrea or Somalia. Most investigations were dropped due to difficulty in identifying the perpetrators and collecting evidence.[135]

Quote:
According to Dagens Nyheter in 2017, at least 90% of all gun-related murders and attempted murders in Sweden are committed either by immigrants or those with at least one immigrant parent,[142] and according to Expressen, 94.5 percent of all members of career criminal gangs in Stockholm are either immigrants or have at least one immigrant parent.[143]

No she's not.

I didn't say immigrants are less likely to be criminals what I said was the picture being set was one of being scared to let your children play because of some immigrant crime wave. While crime is there and is always higher in poorer areas the the truth is as I said the risks from traffic are far higher.

Labour have just announced plans to over haul the immigration bill which I believe strikes a good balance and is long overdue. But it's gone very quiet from the Farage side of the fence. No doubt it won't be extreme enough.

But this is a government getting the job done, a government working on improving the NHS, a government funding the money for the prison and police force.......yes it costs money but we all knew it would.

My opinion is that actually this government is doing a good job and people need to reflect and think about the lies and bile coming from Farage and consider what a reform government would mean for public service. Don't let them get there hands on our crown jewel the NHS.

No OP I’m not concerned, because it is a load of spin and bullshit.

Only if it’s less than a year prison term and a nonviolent crime.

Any violent criminal or a criminal with more than 1yr custodial term is deported from a UK prison to a prison in their country of origin to finish out their sentence.

Except we don’t do that. One of the reasons it takes so long to process asylum claims is they have to fully identify the person and check for any criminal background. Anyone who is a criminal, and I don’t mean political prisoners or homosexual where it is criminal, doesn’t get their application approved.

There is a disporportionate amount of coverage when something goes wrong and it involves an asylum seeker or immigrant. One deported immigrant turned round and came back. One. People are released from prison in error every week- which is obviously unacceptable- but only the immigrants get press coverage. Women are sexually assaulted every day. Only when the criminal is an immigrant is it reported.

My post on here about Samir Zitouni being released from hospital got 4 replies.

I really hope the outage killed this thread rather than the mention of Samir Zitouni…

Wt actual f. Yes very worried that all asylum seekers are murderers 🙄🙄🙄 and 🙄

Unreal logic there....can't fault it. Your history degree standing you in good sted 😂😂😂

They are already in the country and there are times when literal rapists cannot be deported because of some ‘danger’ to their lives (presumably they don’t care about the danger to local women).

And how well can vetting go when the foreign institutions are corrupt and incompetent?