Trump fans, what are your thoughts now please?

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Just wondering.

@hamstersarse

I mean, Zelenskyy does have a £35m villa in Florida but I’m sure it’s coincidence

I mean, he doesn't though.

www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-photos-show-zelenskiy-naturalization-certificate-or-new-house-2024-01-02/

It would be refreshing if you came back and admitted you believed someone who was actually lying and that it wasn't true after all.

You won't though, I'm sure.

Too embarrassing for you to have stated something so confidently as fact when it's just a lie spread on social media. And you fell for it.

I think Trump had made it clear that the special relationship between UK/USA is fake news.

Oh for God's sake. Stop parroting Trump's lies. Everyone knows the reason for this.

Are you completely sure about that?

I am GC. I told you that in my first reply to you. I'm not sure what you are finding difficult about this but I will try one last time.

I care about women and girls having single sex spaces like toilets, changing rooms, prisons and rape centres. I care about women and girls receiving the scholarships and positions they've worked for. I care about children not being sterilised or made into lifelong medical patients.

I also care about the women and girls who do not have access to safe abortions. No it isn't always simple to cross state lines to receive an abortion. Yes that is a "big deal" for the many people who can't manage it for extremely obvious reasons. There is no way that a grown adult doesn't understand this so I won't dignify it with further explanation.

I care about the disabled women who will lose their employment protections.

And I'll keep saying her name - I care about Jocelynn Rojo Carranza whose blood is on Donald Trump's hands.

If you only care about the women and girls affected by the trans issues and not the women and girls affected by all of Trump's other policies, then you don't care about women and girls.

And what happens if all their neighbouring states also ban abortion??

Do you have evidence or are you just parroting Trump's unhinged accusations?

Just because you’re GC doesn’t somehow make you some sort of expert. Suicide is never because of just one issue, anyone who knows anything about suicide knows this. You cannot blame Trump for the suicide of a bullied 11 year old.
you’re so puffed up with self righteousness you cannot see that other people holds other views and do not agree with you and this does not mean that I an stupid nor am I dishonest. I just don’t agree with you. I think you have this completely wrong. And your examples confirm exactly how wrong you have it.

I think the left understand the right well enough. We just don't like your values.

"According to Trump?" Oh well must be true, then.

It is quite amusing (but frightening) to see people empty-headedly regurgitating Trump's unhinged rant. Look at this tweet and how he references himself. You really trust what he says? More fool you.

Ultimately you have to choose between peace and justice. And if it was my partner and children who would be sacrificed for the latter, I would probably go for the former.

Can you see that people don't agree with you out of interest hamletscigar?

I am not getting involved in the MN gender bunfight as I do actually have skin in that game but it is a tendency on here to assume all women must think the same way.

"The truth", Trump does nothing BUT lie.

Abortion rights are problematic worldwide. Abortion was illegal in ROI until very recently.

There are (roughly) 24 countries in the world where abortion is completely prohibited. And another (roughly) 50 countries/regions which permit abortion only when the woman’s health is at risk.

Perhaps I'm being overly cynical, however I suspect the posters spitting venom at other posters (ie those speaking favourably about Trump) that they 'don't care about women and girls!' are unlikely to have ANY historic posts about the situation in any of the other aforementioned countries/regions? If you're sincere in your maximal protest (and not just using the issue as a selective stick to beat), you'll have countless posts about the situation in all of these countries/regions?

I'm not happy about the Russia/Ukraine situation but I can understand it.

If I was an American citizen I would be PPO that my tax dollars were being used to fight a war that's nothing to do with us.

USA has been bankrolling Europe for far too long and Trump is putting a stop to it.

@dottiehens "In case you didn't know ..."

I've just dipped my head into Twitter and this particular talking point about elections is currently the message being pushed.

Despite the very very clear reasons being goff be en over and over again.

People DO know and understand that constitutionally Ukraine cannot hold elections now

I'm wondering why people who claim to understand what's happening are missing this fact. It's been explained several hundred times on SM

I don’t think Reuters are necessarily to be trusted in everything given there were payments to them from the US government to, literally, create “large scale social deception”

However, even in saying that, I do know it’s disputed what money he has creamed off. I am pretty certain it isn’t zero, which is what it should be

This is just gibberish. "Just because you're GC doesn't somehow make you an expert" - what does that even mean? It's just an empty retort without substance. I can accept that other people hold different views when those views are genuinely held and based on reason rather than fanaticism. However you have made no coherent points about the "views" you hold and have ignored any points raised that can't be twisted to fit your agenda or you've argued back with misinformation (like how easy it is for all women and children to travel potentially hundreds of miles to receive abortions 🙄).

The suicide of Jocelynn Rojo Carranza is not multi faceted as you've now claimed twice. She was just 11 years old. She was simply terrified by her bullies who parroted the views and threats of Donald Trump. The fact you would seek to brush this away is abhorrent.

I've just happened upon a quote online credited to Neil deGrasse Tyson which strikes me as particularly apt. "You can't use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn't use reason to get into". Which seems a great note on which to end this discussion with you.

Quick to accuse Zelensky of corruption, equally quick to ignore Trump's actual criminal convictions for financial misdeeds...

Trumpism isn't about morality or rational thought. It's a cult where whatever the Leader says goes.

The essence of Trump's point is that Zelensky is, essentially at this juncture, unelected.
This isn't new - using the term dictator is certainly a deliberate escalation, however conservative politicians in America have been calling for elections in Ukraine for the past two years.

What do you expect him to do differently? It’s completely normal to suspend elections during a time of war.

I disagree. There are many competing factions that make up the right wing coalition. The left are oblivious it seems to the influencers which figurehead these. A useful way to disarm the right would be to go in and sow dissent from within. But I don't think leftists have the comprehension of what they're fighting against to do this convincingly

Two years? So they were calling for an election before one was even due? Why?

@hamstersarse

I don’t think Reuters are necessarily to be trusted in everything given there were payments to them from the US government to, literally, create “large scale social deception”

However, even in saying that, I do know it’s disputed what money he has creamed off. I am pretty certain it isn’t zero, which is what it should be

Let's talk about who to trust then. Thoughts on Trump's felony convictions? 34 counts of falsifying business documents to cover up a sexual affair?

What are your thoughts on what this says about his morals, character and willingness to deceive people for his own gain?

That's without even going into the dozens of accusations of sexual assault,

How do you sow dissent when lots of the right no longer seem to care about facts?